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Isn't drinking on the train (besides a designated restaurant part) illegal? I know it is illegal in my corner of Europe 🤔
Who knows https://www.mta.maryland.gov/advisories/alcohol-consumption-onboard-marc-trains
The page (like all government works projects) is under construction
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You can get a DUI on a bicycle though.
 
Isn't drinking on the train (besides a designated restaurant part) illegal? I know it is illegal in my corner of Europe 🤔
Here it's legal unless there's some temporary ban because football hooligans or some shit. Otherwise it's pretty normal and accepted to have a beer or two on the train as long as you behave yourself.
 
https://www.mta.maryland.gov/advisories/alcohol-consumption-onboard-marc-trains
The page (like all government works projects) is under construction
It’s just a broken link. Archive.org has a copy:

Alcohol Consumption Onboard MARC Trains​

While consumption of alcoholic beverages is permitted on MARC trains, passengers are reminded that this must be done responsibly. We have seen an increase in the number of complaints about alcohol consumption on trains and disruptive behavior that has included loud talking, profanity, and in some cases, physical altercations that has been associated with drinking.

Consumption of alcohol on MARC trains is a privilege, not a right. The MARC Train Service reserves the right to restrict alcohol consumption if passenger behavior is not appropriate and remove from the train those individuals that fail to abide by MARC rules and guidelines. This includes the use of profanity, refusal to follow instructions from conductors, and intimidation or threats to other passengers. Passengers are also reminded that drinking and driving do not mix--MTA, State and local law enforcement will enforce drunken driving laws.

We value you as customers and thank you for helping us maintain a safe and pleasant atmosphere on board our trains.

John Hovatter
Director, MARC Train Service
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Yeah you can even still see a huge railway station in that 1951 photo of Detroit and all the train lines all along the "prime waterfront real estate" and breaking up the grid; I actually have a game theory that mass transit in the US never really worked that well anyway but that's because the companies that ran the trains in the country refused to provide reliable and cheap services to people even at their peak which was their ultimate downfall when the feds took over after WW2 and gave people what they wanted with the highway system - a convenient and affordable way to go places.
Even at their peak trains were everywhere and bedroom communities started in the 1880s from places like NYC because people did not want to live in major cities, especially in the summer. (There used to be huge yellow fever outbreaks in places like Philadelphia, NYC, and Baltimore too, which caused them to be empty in the summers.)

The federal highway system literally started because Eisenhower saw the German Autobahn system and noted how well it was used as a way to move military equipment, plus the threat of a nuclear strike from the USSR caused people to want to disperse away from the major targets, ie the cities.

Here in Detroit there's an ongoing screech over the BLACK BOTTOM neighborhood being dispersed... from nearly 80 years ago. Nigger it was the least valued real estate so it wasn't making any money for the City, that's why they were happy to bulldoze it in favour of the highways. People who actually owned property were compensated via eminent domain. (Rentcucks lose again.)

There's the People Mover and some light rail efforts in the City, but the PM was generally considered to have been a vanity project and isn't so great. But the "fare" is free for now and it's a nice way to spend an afternoon. (Same with the "QLINE," which serves mostly the same stops but whatever, it's funded by the State of Michigan.)
 
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Speed ultimately killed passenger service which is why urbanists are always shrieking about 'high-speed rail'.
That's from their companies refusal to adapt which is what ended up killing them, since in countries where they did successfully adapt in the East trains are fast and affordable enough to seriously disrupt even airline routes.
 
That's from their companies refusal to adapt which is what ended up killing them, since in countries where they did successfully adapt in the East trains are fast and affordable enough to seriously disrupt even airline routes.
Only because they get massive subsidies (Europe), made their competition illegal (France), and/or have no competition (China).

Focusing on China, they have barely any airports relative to their population because the CCP chose not to invest in them because they reserved most of the skies for military use.

86 million people live in the Pearl River Delta (one of the richest parts of China), yet they only have two real airports:
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The red airports are Macau (one runway) and Hong Kong (three runways), both technically not in China.
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Hong Kong is a major airport though.

The blue airports are Foshan Shadi and Huizhou Pingtan, both dual-purpose military airports with a single runway. Huizhou has four jetbridges, Foshan has none.
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An airport Huizhou's size would be classed as a regional airport in the US and Foshan wouldn't even count as one. Cody, Wyoming (pop. 10k), has a nicer airport:
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The only two real airports in the PRC part of the Pearl River Delta are Shenzen Bao'an and Guangzhou Baiyun (in green).
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I believe the small terminal on the right in Guangzhou is the High Speed Rail terminal.

Hartsfield-Jackson in Atlanta is bigger than both of them combined despite Atlanta having 7% of the population. Now, China is building another airport for the region, but even with it they'll still be way behind the US on a per-capita basis. The 50 Cent Army is extremely vocal about how China is a "world leader in High Speed Rail" because they know that they're far, far, behind the US when it comes to intracontinental travel.

American urbanists are useful idiots who take for granted how easy it is to get around both the country and its cities. They believe Chinese/EU propaganda about how far "behind" the US is compared to their countries, when in reality the US is way ahead of them.
 
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Only because they get massive subsidies (Europe), made their competition illegal (France), and/or have no competition (China).
I'm not talking about Europe when I bring up "The East", European trains objectively suck (see how Eurostar and ICE are literally 3x as expensive as flying to the point they're trying to harm air travel industry as a way to cope). My discussion is exclusively on Japan and China (aka places I actually can talk from experience).
The only two real airports in the PRC part of the Pearl River Delta are Shenzen Bao'an and Guangzhou Baiyun (in green).
Guangzhou Baiyun actually usurped Atlanta's spot as the world's busiest airport for a year not that long ago and there's the fact that a good number of people in PRD don't mind crossing the border to catch a flight in HK/Macao. Saying the PRC doesn't invest in their airports is quite contradictory when you literally posted a photo of them doubling the size of Guangzhou with a new construction project, and the fact that Shenzhen Baoan even exists as a viable option now. Last mile travel in the PRD anyway is fast enough when I was there in 2019 I didn't mind the long distance since the ride from GZ airport was only like 30 minutes, completely reasonable for how far it was.
 
My discussion is exclusively on "The East", Japan and China.
Japanese rail companies are real estate companies that happen to run trains between their malls and get subsidies for unprofitable routes outside of major cities.
Guangzhou Baiyun actually usurped Atlanta's spot as the world's busiest airport for a year not that long ago and there's the fact that a good number of people in PRD don't mind crossing the border to catch a flight in HK/Macao. Saying the PRC doesn't invest in their airports is quite contradictory when you literally posted a photo of them doubling the size of Guangzhou with a new construction project, and the fact that Shenzhen Baoan even exists as a viable option now. Last mile travel in the PRD anyway is fast enough when I was there in 2019 I didn't mind the long distance since the ride from GZ airport was only like 30 minutes, completely reasonable for how far it was.
Guangzhou Baiyan had 63 million passengers in 2023. Hartsfield-Jackson had 108 million.

For the PRD to be at parity, they would need to have 1.3 billion passengers a year (across all airports). It is a fact that China has underinvested in airports relative to its population.

Also, most of the PRD (the entire west side of the bay, for example), is not within 30 minutes of a major airport. It's 30 minutes from CAN to downtown Guangzhou, according to Google.
 
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Japanese rail companies are real estate companies that happen to run trains between their malls and get subsidies for unprofitable routes outside of major cities.
And I think that as a business model is entirely valid, applying the model of having a desirable attraction at every destination helps increase land utilization in what would otherwise be plain travelling infrastructure, something that doesn't translate to nearly as much financial success as supplementing it with amenities. Supplementing rural areas is also entirely valid, we subsidize unprofitable rural people ensuring that they have access to the same quality of electricity and health as profitable suburban and urban ones, so I think it's entirely fine for that to extend to other facets of infrastructure if one wants to be called a first-world economy.
 
And I think that as a business model is entirely valid, applying the model of having a desirable attraction at every destination helps increase land utilization in what would otherwise be plain travelling infrastructure, something that doesn't translate to nearly as much financial success as supplementing it with amenities. Subsidizing rural areas is also entirely valid, we subsidize unprofitable rural people ensuring that they have access to the same quality of electricity and health, so I think it's entirely fine for that to extend to other facets of infrastructure if one wants to be called a first-world economy.
First world economies fly while second and third world economies stay on the ground.
 
First world economies fly while second and third world economies stay on the ground.
If only I could take a plane to my job or university, then we will reach true agartha.
 
one of those drone cabs
Oh yeah companies in China like Ehang are actually certified now to use their drone fleets for revenue service in the PRD and hefei, don't know of any American equivalents so far other than a few heliport to airport commercial OPS like that one in NYC.
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Oh yeah companies in China like Ehang are actually certified now to use their drone fleets for revenue service in the PRD and hefei, don't know of any American equivalents so far other than a few heliport to airport commercial OPS like that one in NYC.
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There are plenty of American eVTOL companies, and their designs are much better than the Chinese ones, as they're VTOL planes rather than giant consumer drones:
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They aren't doing commercial flights yet, but neither is Ehang.

I also bet that 'e'VTOLs will switch to a series hybrid powertrain to increase range now that climate change activism is on the decline.
 
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I also bet that 'e'VTOLs will switch to a series hybrid powertrain to increase range now that climate change activism is on the decline.
Aviation fuel has always been expensive, it's why alternative powertrains are even being explored in the first place, not due to climate change slacktivism. The 216S does have an actual type certificate, which is often the hardest step for any new aerial platform while a lot of these still are in prototype phases.
 
Aviation fuel has always been expensive, it's why alternative powertrains are even being explored in the first place, not due to climate change slacktivism. The 216S does have an actual type certificate, which is often the hardest step for any new aerial platform while a lot of these still are in prototype phases.
Avgas is so unbelievable expensive these days that there are dozens of electric and hybrid electric turbofans/props in development by several big name and serious firms.
 
Avgas is so unbelievable expensive these days that there are dozens of electric and hybrid electric turbofans/props in development by several big name and serious firms.
Avgas is expensive due to low demand because airliners don’t use it and because the FAA has done everything in their power to destroy general aviation.
 
Avgas is expensive due to low demand because airliners don’t use it and because the FAA has done everything in their power to destroy general aviation.
and jetfuel in general, sorry.
 
Japanese rail companies are real estate companies that happen to run trains between their malls and get subsidies for unprofitable routes outside of major cities.

Japanese trains (in-city) pay for themselves, partly because they're well-optimized. They don't run after dark. Optimizing schedules would really cut costs in trains in America but urbanists think trains are a right.

Even at their peak trains were everywhere and bedroom communities started in the 1880s from places like NYC because people did not want to live in major cities, especially in the summer. (There used to be huge yellow fever outbreaks in places like Philadelphia, NYC, and Baltimore too, which caused them to be empty in the summers.)

The "everyone was happy to live in the cities until oil agitprop" is one of urbanisms' big lies. Ironically the streetcars couldn't go far enough out of town as their failure.
 
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