Are LGB as bad as the T?

[Gremperor]

Someone create a mass debate thread on "Are LGB as bad as the T?" and on "How accurate are BMI models?" If you guys have this much to say on it, it might be good to mass debate.

Here you go lol.

Late but I'm sick of people insisting gays and tranny's aren't cut from the same cloth.

Gays shouldn't get a pass just because they aren't as openly disgusting as the trannys

You don't need hormone drugs, surgery, new clothes, and a falsified birth certificate to be gay.
Most trans-identified people are straight.
Gays, lesbians, and bisexual people all experience same-sex attraction, those groups have that in common. Trans doesn't have that in common, plenty of trans people are exclusively opposite-sex attracted.
The super egregious trans bad behavior is almost all perpetuated by men who are targeting women. Beate Schmidt is a straight man. Caitlyn Jenner is a straight man. Isla Bryson is a straight man.
I agree that gay male culture has a pedo problem, but so does straight male culture. The problem is male violence, not homosexuality.

All of gay culture has a problem.

Even the normal gays who keep to themselves.

For example, I had an older lesbian couple who lived next door to me growing up. They mostly kept to themselves (besides the constant fighting as most lesbo couples do) they didn't fly pride flags or do any other fag shit to draw attention to themselves.

The one lesbian had a kid from a previous husband. The kid was like 3 when the mom decided to lesbo out and move across the country with the kid to be with my neighbor.

I ended up babysitting the kid a few times and he was so confused. He kept telling me he doesn't have a Dad anymore (unprompted, so was obviously bothering him), and instead he has a "Debbie". He had a really rough time growing up in a rural area as you can imagine

Anyways the kid grew up to be a complete mental case and faggot, no doubt brought on by his dual mom household growing up.

Homosexuality is against our nature.. your entire post says nothing of gays (besides a quick quip about gays being pedos, which further proves my point) and just defers off to the trans.

The fact is the LGB is just as bad as the T in their own different way, whether you like it or not.

I find it funny a lot of gays and lesbos dunk on trans people in this thread, when you are one in the same. I think it mostly comes from a sense of wanting to be seen as normal and not like these freak trans ppl. But you're not normal, and never will be.

Rant over sorry for shitting up the thread.

How are men and women who are exclusively same-sex attracted the same as men who want to be seen as women cause it gives them a boner?
What do k.d. lang and Caitlyn Jenner have in common?

You say that, but the fact remains that you don't have to DO anything to be gay, more than you have to do anything to be straight
-but primarily, the main factor is:
all the major offenders in terms of troons and poons, are heteros.

-the "transbian" rapists, and the Gayden would-be but too fuckin weak gay man harrassers.

Gays are taking hits for twisted heterosexuals and the forced teaming propaganda is clearly working cos it's got fuck all to do with actual homosexuality.

Normal Incels- who fancy the opposite sex - but state that they actually are the opposite sex backed up by little else other than clothes and psuedo medical malfuckery, are clearly managing to hoodwink you, I guess? You're buying into their shit like this.

That kid could’ve been fucked up for a lot of reasons but I agree that his living situation wasn’t ideal. It would’ve been better if the mother had realized she wanted to be with women before having a kid with a man.

Forcing people into the closet just creates more pain for everyone involved. Look at the black community, violently polices against anything gay, so gay men just fuck on the DL and bring STDs home to their female partners. It’d be better if the gay guys just fucked each other from the start instead of building a fake straight life with real children.

@FarmEnjoyer said: "LGB is just as bad as the T in their own different way, whether you like it or not."

Oh, fuck you. You babysat once for some dysfunctional lesbians once so now you're an expert on gays and also saying they're all pedos? You figured that out on your farm, that gay people are JUST THE SAME as troons because reasons? Yeah get lost with that shit, it's untrue.

For my part I think fags and dykes are inherently more likely to be pedophiles because homosexuality is a fetish/paraphilia and they tend to cluster (If someone has an extreme fetish they likely have several more, as you will see with one of my examples below Samuel Delany) and because it only takes a quick look at history to see that faggotry and child rape go hand in hand, you don't even need to look back far.

Harry Hay openly supported pedophile rights groups like NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) but still gets celebrated as a pioneer for gay rights same with Harvey Milk the first open homosexual to hold public office in California, he was a jewish pedophile who sexually exploited a 16 year old boy who later killed himself, children are now forced to celebrate the predators that want rape them in schools with national events like Harvey Milk Day (signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger).

You also have the collection of pedophiles known as the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) (Thread) which contains multiple supporters of the early gay rights movement/NAMBLA.

A few quick examples:

Walter Breen (1928-1993) was a writer and one of the most prominent and authoritative numismatists (coin collectors) of his day. One of his most famous works is Greek Love, published in 1964, which celebrates pederasty. He was also an outspoken LGBT and NAMBLA activist.

He was arrested for sex crimes against children on several occasions; first in Atlantic City in 1954, which resulted in a probationary sentence. His reputation as a chomo led to an intense debate over whether to ban him from a convention called Pacificon in 1963, known as the "Breendoggle".

He was later charged in 1990 and 1991, catching eight counts of molesting a 13-year-old boy. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison, but died of liver cancer in 1993.

Breen was married to Marion Zimmer Bradley (1930-1999), a celebrated feminist and LGBT author known for works such as The Mists of Avalon and Darkover. She served as SFWA's vice president from 1978-1980.

Bradley knew of Breen's taste for little boys when she married him, and was not only cool with it, but enabled and committed it on their own children. She also personally prevented any investigation or notifying the authorities.

In 2014, their daughter, Moira Greyland, now an accomplished harpist and singer, wrote The Last Closet, a memoir of the abuse she suffered at the hands of Breen and Bradley. She revealed that she was the one who got Breen arrested.
She claims that Breen would fly off the handle when she interrupted the "alone time" he would have with little boys, and that he would wander around the house exposing himself and zooted out of his mind. She also alleges that several of her father's victims subsequently died by suicide.

Bradley, meanwhile, would beat her, force her to perform lewd acts with Bradley's lesbian partner, and even tried to drown her on one occasion.

Edward Eliot Kramer (born 1961) is a prominent editor for SFWA authors and the founder of Dragon*Con, a convention surrounding scifi, fantasy, comics, and gaming.

His first arrest happened in 2000, when he was accused of molesting three teenage boys. Before this, he had a reputation for inappropriate relationships and always hanging around young boys. His other offenses happened in 2011 when he met up with a 14-year-old boy in a Connecticut motel, which violated his probation; in 2017, when he was taking pictures of boys in a doctor's office; and in 2019, when he tried to hack a courthouse computer and police found CP on his personal computer.

Samuel Delany (born 1942) is a SFWA Grand Master. His literary works are known for "graphic descriptions of murder, child molestation, incest, coprophilia, coprophagia, urolagnia, anal-oral contact, necrophilia and rape." His most famous book, Hogg, is about an 11-year-old boy named Cocksucker being tortured and raped by a man named Hogg. Some excerpts:

Spoiler: WARNING HORRIFIC

“They call me Hogg because a hog lives dirty. I don’t wash none. And when I get hungry, I eat my own snot. I been wearin’ these clothes since winter. I don’t even take my dick out my pants to piss most times, unless it’s in some cunt’s face. Or all over a cocksucker like you. What I usually do is park the truck in the sun with the light comin’ in and piss my pants up somethin’ terrible.” The truck turned another corner; he dropped one hand from the carpeted wheel between his legs, hefted his meat around some – but I couldn’t tell if he was doing it or thinking about it. “Yeah, boy, all that nice hot stuff, running down my leg, and squirmin’ my ass around in it…I got worms, boy – had ’em ever since I was a kid. But I won’t get rid of ’em cause I like the way they make my asshole itch. I gotta drink a lot of beer and eat a lot of pizza pies and French fried potatoes to keep a gut like this and all them little fuckers fed. I got a hairy ass and it sure cakes up crusty. But I just don’t believe in wipin’ when I got a freaky little son of a bitch like you to eat it out for me. Now, how do you like that?”

He is also a regular reader of NAMBLA's newsletter.

Here's a good thread by @MaryKullis about the overlap of LGBT activists and NAMBLA members:
The LGBT movement and its possibly pervasive proximity to NAMBLA - Many attendees of NAMBLA meetings share the same names as major figures in the LGBT movement & other influential people.

TLDR:

 

[Gremperor]

Also I don't have any sources for these so I left them out of the op but here you go.

 

[オプセック]

Gay is an identity like tranny, that's the problem. They both do butt secks with men.
It obfuscates the DOING on purpose and makes any discussion impossible.
Of course a guy dressing as a woman in the hopes to woo a man is gay all the same as a buff body builder bloke.
If he doesn't go for men, there's still overlap with what most see as "gay", because "gay" extends to lots of other shit outside of the buttsecks in the public mind, like dressing flamboyant or moving in a certain way. All this needs to be untangled and laid out before any discussion.

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

If we look at their actions and habits? Probably not.
The big difference for me is that the gays are (for the most part) happy to have their little gay communities and their little gay clubs and to keep whatever degeneracy to them. They create their own little sub-culture and community and (mostly) stay in it.
Trans people by their nature make imposition on the greater culture, they demand changes to speech, changes to laws, they demand that society bed over backwards and provide for their medical and emotional wants. I don't care if two men want to sodomise each other at some seedy gay night club, I do care when I'm expected to buy into the delusions of a tranny, treat them like their special and also to pay to have them medically butcher themselves.

 

[オプセック]

I'm still outraged that this tranny shit is happening to kids, but the discussion is always dishonest as fuck, you and I (dear reader) both know that the kids this is happening to are the ones you and me would've called faggots in middle school, but why is that?
There's zero chance an un-molested faggy middle school kid even engages in butt-secks is (yeah, yeah, zoomers and porn - not the point) but it's still gay to us: we know it when we see it. And it has no necessary bearing on the actual sexual acts performed, we shouldn't be the wiser to what goes on in someones bed room in the first place and still this debate is happening. why? We shouldn't even know, safe for self disclosure, if someone bends that way, but we assume, because of secondary behaviors on display: Can we even name those? When is faggy behavior tranny behavior?

 

[Spud]

Yes, you all suck. Had you kept that shit in the bedroom (And with consenting adults) No one would have cared but you just couldn't do that.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Yes.

 

[Marche]

It's like a 1.2% chance to get infected with gayids if you get a pozload in your neghole.
Imagine how my doodoo buttsex that flight attendant would have to have had to spread it to the point is became a global problem.

 

[Rango Dango]

the gays didnt put their own flag on the new pride flag thingy, only the troons did. i think thats very telling

 

[MAAAD]

Yes they are, and this even being a question in the first place is the direct result of Overton window on sexual deviations shifting so far towards the unthinkable. Just 100 years ago the question of "are crossdressing faggots worse than regular faggots?" virtually didn't exist.
Homosexuals should exist behind closed doors in complete irrelevancy, it's the norm and has always been the norm.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Here you go lol.

Thanks. I need my space to laugh about males in dresses autistically clean.

For my part, I don't think so. I hate how it is more likely to see pedophila in gay male circles like you pointed out, with less "all gays are pedophiles" and more "gays are more likely to be pedophiles because clusters" like you said. Much like furries are more likely to fuck dogs and be pedos but not all of them, but furries are still worse IMO. There's more gay males out there who aren't a fan of pedophila than are. They can have their own problems, but that's less bad than the kid fiddling.

Gay men also have the problem where since the entire dating pool is men with male sex drives and male behaviors, they do retarded male shit. It's why the risks are so high. Females can do retard shit too, it's just a different type of retardation.

In b4: the lesbian survey that says they experienced high domestic violence were more likely to have been in an abusive relationship, but that accounted for all relationships they had. Meaning lesbians were more likely to turn lesbo because they were abused by a guy previously. Lesbians have other problems and there is domestic violence, but let's not exaggerate.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

If being a faggot was okay aids wouldn’t exist.

 

[WULULULULU]

YES. NO IFS, BUTS AND ORS.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

Imagine how my doodoo buttsex that flight attendant would have to have had to spread it to the point is became a global problem.

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[Cougar Pump]

Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual are (at least on a surface level) just a denotion of what you're attracted to. Arguably inherent, you don't get to choose really. T on the other hand. 'I am wilfully ignoring reality and declaring to be born in the wrong body' - T. Discord retard
They are not the same, but I understand lumping them together. That's the bed they've made. The paradox of tolerance writ large.

 

[オプセック]

In b4: the lesbian survey that says they experienced high domestic violence were more likely to have been in an abusive relationship, but that accounted for all relationships they had. Meaning lesbians were more likely to turn lesbo because they were abused by a guy previously. Lesbians have other problems and there is domestic violence, but let's not exaggerate.

I really hate getting manipulated like that, care to link that study?
That claim about lesbo violence always struck me as an odd one out.

 

[Divine right to rule]

I think what I would call "gay culture" made the LGB worse than it ever was in history.
In countries without that San-Francisco esque subculture, they are much more tolerable.

 

[オプセック]

I think what I would call "gay culture" made the LGB worse than it ever was in history.
In countries without that San-Francisco esque subculture, they are much more tolerable.

Yeah, that's the identity-politics thing. It's not really about men fucking men, it never was, it's a cultural movement - a very specific brand which has associated itself with the civil rights struggle of people who were prosecuted based on their sexual habits.

Nobody is gay, there's just dudes fucking dudes and many people don't like it, but they shouldn't have cared in the first place. The whole LGB thing was always a front for something else.
I would wager that LGBTQI+ was the endgame from the get go with that sanfran rainbow crowd.
Festering among the bohemian grove cliques for more than a century.

Nixon knew what's up.

Note how he basically believes, implicitly, that you can turn society gay. Interesting, isn't it?

He basically doesn't know how much is nature and how much is nurture, but he def. doesn't want to endorse it. Based? You decide!

I think the prosecution in the U.S. went too far, you don't torture them, you don't tell 'em they're girls and cut their dick off either, just don't plaster that shit all over and let them be.

 

[libRT]

I lean towards yes, but it does seem the worst typically follow the oppressed structure, so like when gays had most of the social power, most of the worst degens hid amongst the group, and now troons are on top of that hierarchy they get the most degens, however theres still absolute heresy amongst fags so it is kinda the same thing.

 

[Gremperor]

Thanks. I need my space to laugh about males in dresses autistically clean.

I know what you mean lol, I only delve into the stinkditch like once a week and there's always at least one spergout because chuds and chudlettes just can't stop haranguing each other.

For my part, I don't think so. I hate how it is more likely to see pedophila in gay male circles like you pointed out, with less "all gays are pedophiles" and more "gays are more likely to be pedophiles because clusters" like you said. Much like furries are more likely to fuck dogs and be pedos but not all of them, but furries are still worse IMO. There's more gay males out there who aren't a fan of pedophila than are. They can have their own problems, but that's less bad than the kid fiddling.

Oh I just realized I didn't give my answer in the op because I was too busy fag bashing lol, I think trannies are worse right now but homosexuality has and will continue to be more damaging long term (I didn't even mention the rates of stds they spread like plague rats).

In summary it's like comparing fire to an explosion or jews to muslims, the first is a less immediate detriment but long term can cause more damage and can also cause the second if tolerated.