UK United Kingdom Royal Family / Royal Families Drama General Thread - formerly "Prince Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals"

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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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While not Meghan directly stupidity only a step or two away.
A female marketing manager has won a harassment case after her 'old school' boss 'endorsed' Jeremy Clarkson's controversial Game of Thrones tweet about parading Meghan Markle naked through the streets in shame.
Helen Selkin complained when sales director Charles Bedforth stated that he 'did not see anything wrong with' the degrading comments the former Top Gear presenter made about the Duchess of Sussex.
In 2022 TV presenter Clarkson wrote a column stating his desire to see Markle 'made to parade naked through the streets' in reference to the iconic 'Shame!' scene in Game of Thrones.
An employment tribunal heard that shortly after the Clarkson controversy Mr Bedforth 'endorsed' it and said he did not see anything offensive about the tweet.
Mrs Selkin - who worked with him for an agricultural machinery firm and has since taken a selfie with Clarkson - said she thought the TV star's comment was 'sexist and dreadful'.
Separately, the tribunal found she was also harassed when the company's managing director James Woolway called her a 'witch' that should be left to 'stirring the cauldron' and told her on one occasion 'don't spend too much, you're not shopping for a dress'.
Mrs Selkin was fired from her job after being branded a 'man-hater' by a disgruntled male developer. The colleagues had been discussing the Roe v Wade ruling in America when she suggested all men should undergo a vasectomy.
She is now in line for compensation after successfully suing Lincolnshire-based Opico.

The tribunal in Nottingham was told Mrs Selkin began working for the company in April 2017 and that it was a 'male-dominated industry'.
Employment Judge Elizabeth Heap found that Opico 'is not a progressive organisation' as senior male directors were 'traditional' - but 'not in the right sense of the word'.
Judge Heap said it started at the top, with Mr Woolway, as his 'traditional' values are reminiscent of a fortunately bygone era and are suggestive of a demeaning attitude towards women'.
Mrs Selkin has a 'strong and forceful personality' and there had been 'niggles' during her employment, it was heard.
In December 2020 Mr Woolway told another male colleague 'just leave the Witches to stirring the cauldron and give them the ingredients they need' in reference to Mrs Selkin and another woman.
Judge Heap said Mr Woolway did not mean to cause offence with the comment because he had 'a lack of awareness that what does not offend him could not offend anyone else'.
The comment was found to amount to harassment because 'the nature of the analogy was of a woman causing trouble or mischief' and it was 'degrading and humiliating'.
In Spring 2021 and in front of two male colleagues, Mr Woolway told Mrs Selkin: 'As long as you don't spend too much, you're not shopping for a dress.'


Judge Heap said of the remark: 'While Mr Woolway may well have thought that he was being amusing to his wider audience, the comment was again highly inappropriate and we can see why [Mrs Selkin] was offended by it.
'It was another example of Mr Woolway's 'traditional' views.
'Again, it is demonstrative of a lack of a progressive views on Mr Woolway's part which is particularly concerning given his position as managing director.
'That type of comment to a female subordinate in a management position in front of male colleagues was demeaning.'
In January 2023, before an event show, Mr Bedforth made a 'crass' comment to Mrs Selkin that he did not think Clarkson's tweet about Markle was offensive.
Judge Heap found he did not mean to cause offence 'but this was again a lack of understanding and being of a clumsy and 'old school' mindset'.
The judge said it amounted to harassment.
'Although it was crass and there was no reason to bring it up – on the basis of the evidence before us there did not appear to be any context to it – we accept for the same reasons as already given that he did not say it with the purpose or intention of causing offence.
'However, we accept that it did create an offensive environment for the Claimant and that was obvious from her reaction to what had been said and her evidence before us.
'The Tweet referred to a woman being paraded naked through the streets in a clearly offensive way related to the Duchess of Sussex and Mr Bedforth was endorsing that there was nothing wrong with that.
'We are therefore satisfied that this was an act that amounted to harassment relating to the protected characteristic of sex.'
Judge Heap also found that Mr Bedforth harassed Mrs Selkin by making a 'boyfriend' joke and when he made an 'upsetting' comment about her parents.


In finding harassment to be proven, Judge Heap said: 'Most of those acts were perpetrated by the same two senior people within the [company].
'All of them also arose in the context of an environment which is 'traditional' but as we have already referenced not in the right sense of the word.
'Whilst we do not go so far as to label the [company] as an 'Old Boys Club' as [Mrs Selkin] contends, it is not a progressive organisation.
'The mindset of both Mr Woolway and Mr Bedforth is that 'jokes' which demean women are not something to be considered offensive and that mindset has clearly dissipated over others within the workforce.'

Judge Heap added: 'Both Mr Woolway and Mr Bedforth - who have respectively described each other as 'traditional' and 'old school' - demonstrated little insight in respect of both their actions... and during their evidence as to how 'traditional views' may not be acceptable in the world which we now live in.
'Tradition is on occasion to be applauded but not at the expense of progression and inclusion and unfortunately some conduct which was not only tolerated at the [company] fell into the latter category.'
Judge Heap also said Mrs Selkin was unfairly and wrongfully dismissed after she was fired for allegedly 'imposing' anti-men views.
Her sacking came after an office discussion in March 2023 about male vasectomies, following the Roe v Wade ruling in America, in which she suggested all men should undergo one.
After a male colleague reported her, the tribunal heard a flawed investigation was carried out and Mr Woolway sacked her for 'imposing' her views.
In his complaint, the male colleague stated how Mrs Selkin had said openly in the office that 'all Men should be forced to have a sterilisation (Vasectomy) and only a woman is allowed to have a man’s vasectomy reversed with her permission and only selected men can add sperm to a sperm bank where all women can pick from...
'She said making men have a vasectomy would stop abortion from the source. When a counter view was given, Helen started getting very defensive and aggressive saying "that’s different" and "men need women, women don’t need men2.
'Helen also has a poster on her wall with these views. When Helen was asked to remove the poster from her office, she physically ripped the poster off the board and was mumbling. I did not hear all the words except for "Pathetic".
'I feel Helen’s Misandrist behaviour is grossly unacceptable I don’t feel comfortable working in the same environment with a person with such extreme views.'
Judge Heap said that no consideration had been given to the fact that those who were speaking to Mrs Selkin at the time said it was 'simply a conversation or debate'. One had called it 'banter'.
Mrs Selkin's compensation will be revealed at a later date.
 
Go to any UK city and you’ll see these jihadis everywhere. The sick truth is that King Charles has been a vocal supporter of Islam and of Muslims flooding Britain. He is said to find Islam especially fascinating and has spent decades promoting the “religion of peace” lie. The fact that he rolled out the red carpet for fucking QATAR recently should have attracted much more criticism than it did. (Qatar shields and provides monetary support to Hamas and other Islamist terrorists.)

Note to Charlie: No matter how much you ballwash them, they’d slaughter you and your entire family without hesitation if they could penetrate your security.
honestly they'd have been better off with Chuck dying, Anne or Andrew wouldn't be retarded enough to do this stuff. Chuck was always mocked for being a super far lefty fag, its like if Justin Trudeau was literally king of canada.
They both have a history of cruelty to animals. Harry ignored advice not to ride a pregnant horse during a polo match. The horse was badly injured and had to be put down. There’s also video of him taunting a pony and smacking it like a full-blown zoosadist.
from reading his book its obvious he was just Uday Hussain with much better PR
An entertaining detail is that she says she doesn't like honey, but then adds honey to most of her dishes - drizzling it on croissants, pouring it on a Victoria Sponge etc. This is apparently because her first "As Ever" collection will include wildflower honey with honeycomb, so she wants to hawk it.
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those jars! That's all white label garbage, any gourmet store has contact info for some creep from some huge company that will sell it to them. Kiwifarms could have their own product line from this exact group. The fact she went from palaces to shilling white label jars is fucking pitiful.
Meghan retreats into a sort of hackneyed Zooey Deschanel quirky girl impression that has to be seen to be believed:
You can tell when she "came of age" ; real MPDG impressions from her.
 
Anne or Andrew wouldn't be retarded enough to do this stuff.
Andrew absolutely would be. Anne would have made a superb queen.
Chuck was always mocked for being a super far lefty fag
No he wasn’t. He was mocked for being eccentric and doing things like talking to his plants and having a valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush for him every day. His closest friends are all hardcore Tories, including Churchill’s descendants. He’s just got a boner for Islam.
 
He was mocked for being eccentric and doing things like talking to his plants and having a valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush for him every day.
He was also made fun of for his views on architecture, until it turned out he might actually have a point. A lot of the upper class has a weird love affair with Islam, or more specifically with Arab culture. I still believe it's because of the performative deference they display at every opportunity.
 
His ideas for 15min cities are fine by me, the problem is the implementation of using them to keep us locked in bc muh global warming, which I'm not sure he's talked about himself.
We have 15-minute cities, they're called "towns." Trying to square the circle of the advantages of towns ( efficient distribution for small scale) combined with the advantages of cities (economies of scale) shows why thrse planners are retarded, since those things run directly contrary.
 
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- she’s out of touch and takes herself way too seriously
this one especially, her people pitched stuff like shows about people leaving bad jobs or silly videos about her introducing Harry to american things, and she said no to all of it. Which is odd when her sort of co-opting Harry's "lad" persona would have been the exact place to go. She's arguebly more stuffy than the royal family, who seem to love taking the piss out of each other when their jobs are done. Harry even mentions how his dad talked about how much it was an honor to meet the spice girls, harry probably being the only person on the planet to understand how much of a silly joke that was. Harry meanwhile only tells jokes when told to.

If she and harry decided to play up being the "lad" and "cool wife" instead of trying to do this charity stuff it probably would have worked. Instead Meg seemed to want to be like a beyonce style queen of america. her hosting these shows is another failure because of that whole "taking herself too seriously" thing, someone mentioned that they both seemed to be stuck in the 90s. they don't really seem to understand either social media or how modern celebrities are supposed to act.

You can't have this whole regal persona, you need to be personable and likable. From what i've read it seems she hates the plebs enough that she refused to do those silly meetings for when a new sewer pipe opens up in some village.
muh global warming, which I'm not sure he's talked about himself.
he is mr.enviroment and was talking about man made destruction of the planet over 50 years ago, and his DEI charity is a huge reason Idris Elba has a career among other numerous coloreds.
 
I am really interested in a formal Meghan Markle discussion thread on Kiwifarms and so I am trying to work on a thread for the Beauty Parlor. I think we are missing a lot of funny comments from users who don't visit A&N. I sincerely believe the new TV show has launched Meghan into true celebricow territory and we have guaranteed more laughs to come this fall.

I've spent about an hour and a half this evening starting up a bio for the OP. I don't want to derail this thread with feedback/constructive criticism, so instead please just let me know if you guys think this is worth continuing from Mexit and onward to today. Planned topics include the initial exit memo, the sandringham summit, Mexit itself, security stuff, the new york car chase, their books, their podcasts, their shows... there is a lot to cover.

If you have any specific comments or otherwise feel that you need to contribute prior to me submitting Meghan to the proving grounds, please post on my profile or message me privately. If reception here is favorable I will try to finish this up well enough for proving grounds by Tuesday night, and hopefully anybody here who is interested in contributing can workshop with me there. Please note that I'm really trying to speedrun through her pre-mexit drama so the eventual post will probably be at least double in length. I'm also trying to be really factual and succinct because Meghan constantly fucking up under her own hubris is far funnier than any snark I could come up with myself.

I am omitting all of the reference pictures and most formatting for now, but both will be included to significantly improve digestibility.

Meghan Markle / Rachel Meghan Markle / Meghan, Duchess of Sussex

Nota bene: this thread is intended to formalize the Markle Snarkle in the A & N thread “UK Royal Family Drama” for the Beauty Parlor subforum, alongside such celebricows as Madonna, Grimes, and Tara Strong

Shorthand and micro family tree: Queen Elizabeth II (QEII) monarch from 1952-2022; King Charles, monarch from 2022-present; Prince William, Prince of Wales and heir apparent 2022-present; Catherine, William’s wife/Princess of Wales; William and Catherine’s children George, Charlotte, and Louis; Harry, William’s younger brother; Meghan, his wife; Meghan and Harry’s children Archie and Lilibet.

Meghan Markle is a former actress-turned-influencer who is married to Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, the younger son of Charles III, King of the United Kingdom and the 14 other Common Realms. At his birth, Harry was third in line to the throne, behind his father and elder brother; these days, Harry and Meghan reside in Montecito, California, along with their issue Prince Archie of Sussex and Princess Lilibet of Sussex.

Abbreviated pre-British Royal Family bio:
Meghan was born on August 4 1981 to Emmy-winning lighting and photography director Thomas Markle Sr and his now ex-wife Doria Ragland. Meghan was raised in Los Angeles, CA and later attended Northwestern University in Chicago. She enjoyed episodic, named roles in television shows from 2001-2010 such as in General Hospital, CSI: NY, 90210, and Fringe before landing a permanent role in the Toronto-based tv show Suits as the paralegal Rachel Zane from 2011-2018. She also ran a lifestyle blog called The Tig from 2014-2017. Meghan married long-term boyfriend and film producer Trevor Engelson in 2011 but they soon split and then later divorced in 2014. She dated Canadian celebrity chef Cory Vitiello from ~2014-2016.

When Harry Met Sally Rachel Meghan
The exact circumstances of Meghan and Harry meeting are somewhat murky and it is unclear to close observers whether her relationship with Cory Vitiello was actually over when the royal couple sparked their romance. In various interviews, Harry and Meghan have stated they met when Harry saw Meghan on Instagram; at other times they say they were set up by a friend for a blind date at Soho House on Dean Street in London in July 2016. Whatever the circumstances, the press broke news of their courtship in early November of that year. Their engagement was announced on November 27, 2017 and they later married to great fanfare in May 2018.

Wedding drama rumors
Post-Mexit, there has been a significant amount of discussion over various issues that are alleged to have arisen during the lead-up to Meghan and Harry’s wedding. In brief, the rumors are as follows
- Meghan bullied Princess Charlotte, Daughter of Prince William, and sabotaged any reasonable ability to get her dress fitted properly, leading to Chartotte’s dress being ill-fitted and the hemline visibly askew; disagreements became so tense that Catherine (who was less than a month postpartum with Louis) had to more or less give up on fixing things. Later events are disputed; according to sources close to Catherine, Catherine later tried to mend fences and brought Meghan a bouquet of flowers only to cry when Meghan slammed a door in her face; According to Meghan, the flowers were an apology for making the wedding difficult, and Meghan Cried. A picture of Charlotte in her ill-fitted flower girl dress is included below.

- Meghan refused to let the flower girls wear socks or tights, so they had to wear stiff dress shoes with no protection on their feet
- Meghan was difficult to work with for fitting of her Dior dress, leading it to be visibly oversized and boxy in the bust and arms
- Meghan and Harry wanted to walk down the red carpet through the church but were denied as that carpet is reserved exclusively to immediate heirs to the throne; they were offered the navy blue carpet such as that walked by Princess Beatrice but declined, eventually opting for no carpet at all. Pictures of red (Prince William) blue (Princess eugenie) and no carpet (Harry and Meghan) shown below:
- Meghan excluded the overwhelming majority of her family from her wedding except for her mother Doria Ragland; Meghan estranged herself from Thomas Markle in the year before and did not invite her siblings
- Instead of family, Meghan invited celebrities who she didn’t know such as George and Amal Clooney and Oprah Winfrey; other celebrities who were invited but did not attend were, allegedly, Reese Witherspoon, Barack and Michelle Obama, and Jennifer Aniston. [Many celebrities are excluded from this list either because they are/were friends with Markle (Priyanka Chopra, Serena williams) or the Royal family (The Beckhams, Elton John)].

Bullying Rumors
Post Mexit, rumors started swirling about alleged bullying by Meghan to palace staff. In October 2018, Sussex Communications Secretary Jason Knauf emailed Prince William’s private secretary alleging that Meghan was bullying staff members. This email was leaked to The Times and reads, in part: “'I am very concerned that the Duchess was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year. The treatment of X was totally unacceptable.
'The Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y.'” On a separate instance, Meghan was so rude to a gardener that Queen Elizabeth summoned Meghan to tell her to knock it the fuck off.
Meghan has always vehemently denied these rumors, but rapid staff turnover continues to haunt her current ventures as her current charitable foundation, Archwell, churned through a stunning 18 staff members between 2020 and 2024.

Miscellaneous happenings
Frogmore Cottage: For a brief time following their Wedding, Meghan and Harry enjoyed being elevated to nearly the same celebrity as William and Catherine, famously being called the Fab Four. However, due to alleged souring of the relationships between the two couples, Meghan and Harry were later moved to the grace-and-favour home Frogmore Cottage, a 5000 sq ft home on the grounds of Windsor castle. A funny rumor has emerged that Meghan agreed to be moved to the more humble Frogmore C
ottage because she thought they were going to be moved to to the grandiose Frogmore House where Meghan and Harry had their reception.https://www.theroyalobserver.com/p/meghan-markle-felt-tricked-frogmore-cottage-grander-property

Name Stealing: While it isn’t required to ask permission for naming their children in the British Royal Family, families customarily ask the reigning monarch to opine on the names. In the case of both their issue, Meghan and Harry declined to do so. Instead, they named their firstborn son Archie, which had allegedly been either Prince George’s (william’s firstborn) nickname, or possibly his security name. Upon the birth of their daughter in the states, Harry and Meghan named her Lilibet, a fond nickname used by dear friends of QEII that arose since she could not say her own name when she was very little. Meghan and Harry allege that QEII had given them her blessing to use the nickname; a previous palace staffer says that, on the contrary, QEII was furious that such a dear and private part of her identity had been used without her consideration.
https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a31913836/archie-nickname-prince-george/
https://www.newsweek.com/princess-lilibet-name-scandal-queen-legacy-1861022

Diana Cosplay: (This is a very indecent TL;DR but for those who somehow don’t know, Diana, Princess of Wales, was Harry’s mother who later divorced Charles in 1996 and then tragically died in a limousine accident in Paris the following year at only age 36. She was largely beloved by the media and people around the world.) Anyhow: sometimes people wear similar clothes. Sometimes, it’s… weirder. Decide for yourself whether Meghan’s clothing choices are nothing, sweet homages, or weird as fuck:
On that same note, royal biographer Angela Levin alleges that Meghan intentionally wore Diana’s favorite perfume the night she met Harry.

Ok, fucking Finally. MEXIT!!!
[to be continued]
 
his DEI charity
The Prince’s Trust (now the King’s Trust) has nothing to do with “DEI.” Just because some black people also benefited from it doesn’t make it a DEI thing.

In reality it’s a universally praised charity that helps at-risk Brits aged 11 - 30 to get professional training, education and other support to help them get jobs and build careers so that they won’t be lifelong welfare dependents. Since 1976, it’s helped over 750,000 people who are homeless, disabled, and/or suffer with mental illness and other challenges to become fully financially self-supporting. Elba just partnered with KC by forming a specific charity that focuses on helping people learn skills and business management relevant to the creative industry.
 
In reality it’s a universally praised charity that helps at-risk Brits aged 11 - 30 to get professional training, education and other support to help them get jobs and build careers so that they won’t be lifelong welfare dependents. Since 1976, it’s helped over 750,000 people who are homeless, disabled, and/or suffer with mental illness and other challenges to become fully financially self-supporting. Elba just partnered with KC by forming a specific charity that focuses on helping people learn skills and business management relevant to the creative industry.
And somehow not a single one of those bastards wanted anything to do with his coronation. curious
 
And somehow not a single one of those bastards wanted anything to do with his coronation. curious
Where the fuck do you get the bullshit that’s become your trademark in this website? He invited 200 beneficiaries of the Prince’s Trust and Prince’s Foundation, including from the Trust’s branches in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. A total of 850 out of 2000 total invitees were those associated with his charitable endeavors.

Tickets to the coronation were massively in-demand and many people who thought they’d be invited were disappointed not to be. The Trust is hugely popular and was also named one of the Best Places to Work in the UK. The idea that people who’ve benefitted from the Prince’s Trust wanted nothing to do with it is pure fiction.
 
Thanks for the interest based on what I could tell from your reacts. The OP was getting really goddamn long in my editor so i went ahead and posted. The top comment in the thread has suggestions for how to help me finish the OP if anybody is interested. Otherwise, if you are interested in a dedicated Markle Snarkle thread, separate from British Royal family drama, I would like you to please consider participating in the prospering grounds thread. Otherwise, carry on.

 
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