GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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seri0us said:
What's their regular lifespan?

Mine is 10 years old..
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If warranties are anything to go by, then yea 10ish years. My Seasonic I got in my build came with a 10 year warranty. But it could vary by manufacturer and model as well.
 
Dollar Store Sentai said:
So I was given a 3060ti by a friend who upgraded to replace my RX480. However, when I replace the card (after using DDU to get rid of the AMD drivers) the card flickers, has artifacts to the point of the app crashing, or flat out rebooting my PC. I'm running an Asus b350m motherboard, Ryzen R7 1700, 16gb 3200 memory and have a Seasonic 620w Power supply.

Is it possible/probable that the PSU being 8 years old just isn't supplying the juice the card needs? PC runs fine with the 480, which is lowering the list of suspects it could be. (The 3060ti was tested before giving it to me and worked fine then)
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It's either heat or electricity.
 
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Its definitely possible its the PSU, my 3060ti crippled and then killed mine which was new-ish but cheap. Should have been able to handle the load but I think the newer cards transient a lot harder. I don't recommend lian li btw.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Nope. Just pointing out that a large corporation with a will to execute and control over the project can build a successful, consumer-oriented UI on top of the Linux kernel. There's nothing about Linux itself that prevents this from happening on the desktop. But let's look at key elements of Google's success with Android:
  1. They targeted a market segment that was priced out by Apple and dissatisfied with alternatives.
  2. They told the Linux People who insist infinite customization (i.e. no reliable standards) is the soul of Linux to go fuck themselves. There is nothing in Android world comparable to the "Wayland vs X" debate or the endless screeching by paste-eaters over systemd.
  3. They provided developer tools to make it easy to develop and deploy on Android with zero concern whatsoever to making any of this work with Fedora or Ubuntu or whatever.
They haven't really done the same with Chromebook. That's been mostly a disappointment for them. But you could succeed with those 3 basic elements. Hell, Apple could have based OSX on the Linux kernel and been just as successful as they are now.
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The Ugly One said:
#2 is achievable because Google achieved it. Any other large company could do the same; they just choose not to. But suppose one chose differently. Suppose, for example, IBM stopped acting like a pants-shitting retard (metaphysically impossible) and decided, "You know what, fuck it, and fuck Microsoft, we're going to make Fedora the leading enterprise desktop OS." They throw away all existing desktop environments and start fresh. They put together something nice, include the ability to launch an X server so that existing Linux desktop apps Just Werk, and they start selling Linux workstations and terminals to various companies, maybe starting with some really boring companies like banks and airports. Except of course, they don't call it Linux, they call it something boring and gay, like IBM Enterprise Desktop. It's entirely achievable.
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Coming back to this, I guess this makes sense to me. If you have a company that kicks the glue eaters to the curb, then yes, Linux can be viable as what has been done to Android. Problem is they actually have to care. Take IBM again. They have enough resources to make their own operating system AND make it not fake and gay in the user experience department. They could just do everything in house, creating their own "Windows", telling Linux to fuck itself.

Also isn't OSX heavily based on Linux?
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WelperHelper99 said:
Also isn't OSX heavily based on Linux?
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OSX started with BSD, which is kind of like Linux, but with a less restrictive license. Android, by contrast, is Linux...but it's not GNU/Linux, or GNU Plus Linux, as I've taken to calling it.

Stallman's famous little copypasta, while extremely autistic, is actually correct. What people call "Linux" is a constellation of software that has the Linux kernel at its heart. Android uses lots of non-GNU components and isn't really compatible with Linux distros like Debian or Fedora. This makes open-source purists refuse to admit it's Linux (it is), because admitting this would be admitting that the most successful incarnation of Linux in the world is not "free software."
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
Also isn't OSX heavily based on Linux?
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No. The abridged version is that there was Unix, then BSD split off from it, then NeXTSTEP split off from that, and then that became Darwin, which is the underlying core of all of Apple's OSs. While Linux is Unix-compatible, but not directly related to it (or any of its descendants).
 
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The Ugly One said:
OSX started with BSD, which is kind of like Linux, but with a less restrictive license. Android, by contrast, is Linux...but it's not GNU/Linux, or GNU Plus Linux, as I've taken to calling it.

Stallman's famous little copypasta, while extremely autistic, is actually correct. What people call "Linux" is a constellation of software that has the Linux kernel at its heart. Android uses lots of non-GNU components and isn't really compatible with Linux distros like Debian or Fedora. This makes open-source purists refuse to admit it's Linux (it is), because admitting this would be admitting that the most successful incarnation of Linux in the world is not "free software."
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So because Android has guardrails more or less the autists freak out. Lol lmao. But it's still Linux at its heart.
Max Weber said:
No. The abridged version is that there was Unix, then BSD split off from it, then NeXTSTEP split off from that, and then that became Darwin, which is the underlying core of all of Apple's OSs. While Linux is Unix-compatible, but not directly related to it (or any of its descendants).
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Understood.
 
Max Weber said:
Linux is Unix-compatible
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Are any Linux distros fully POSIX-compliant? Of course, they have no real reason to be. Unix is dying. People switch from AIX and HP-UX to Linux every year.

WelperHelper99 said:
So because Android has guardrails more or less the autists freak out.
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It's because there are critical pieces of it that are closed source.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Are any Linux distros fully POSIX-compliant? Of course, they have no real reason to be. Unix is dying. People switch from AIX and HP-UX to Linux every year.
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There was a distro by Huawei that even got certified, IIRC. But yeah, I should've said 'Unix-like.' To be fair, I don't think even any of the major *BSDs are compliant these days. Not that big of a loss, honestly.
 
The Ugly One said:
This makes open-source purists refuse to admit it's Linux
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At the same time Linux cultists will bring up that Android is Linux as an argument, saying that Android is the most popular OS on the planet, therefore desktop Linux is totally viable and there is no point in using Windows.

And yes, I also agree with Stallman. OpenWRT and RouterOS also run on Linux, so does that mean that I don't need a Windows PC and I could use my router instead because it runs Linux? No, but that's the type of reasoning some Dunning-Kruger lunatics use to convince people to join the Cult of Tux, because they don't understand what it is that they're using. It's not Linux, it's a GNU operating system based on the Linux kernel, the GNU component is what builds the entire OS and is a mess, the Linux kernel is just a fundament for it. Android is not GNU/Linux, it's a completely different set of components that only uses the Linux kernel as the fundament. OpenWRT is not GNU/Linux, it's a completely different set of components that only uses the Linux kernel as the fundament. And so on and so forth.

Funnily enough, Stallman tends to be much more reasonable than your usual Linux cultists.
Back in 2013 when he bashed Canonical for embedding Amazon search into Ubuntu by default, he acknowledged that sometimes proprietary solutions do offer better experience than FOSS alternatives, and while he encourages FOSS solutions, obviously, he doesn't have an issue with people using proprietary solutions, as long as the user is aware of the solution being proprietary and the implications of it. He would be fine with the Amazon search being integrated into Ubuntu, if it was opt-in and the user had the full awareness of all of his searches going to Amazon. But because it was added silently and enabled by default, it was malicious and he rightfully tore Canonical a new one for it.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Are any Linux distros fully POSIX-compliant? Of course, they have no real reason to be. Unix is dying. People switch from AIX and HP-UX to Linux every year.
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As in paid for the certification? I can't think of any. Linux used to have its own certification called LSB but that's basically dead. Although POSIX and SUS are both in kinda the same situation. MacOS is only SUSv3 (aka Unix 03) and Apple doesn't seem interested in pushing for the full Unix V7 (2018 ) certification because who really cares.
 
Dollar Store Sentai said:
So I was given a 3060ti by a friend who upgraded to replace my RX480. However, when I replace the card (after using DDU to get rid of the AMD drivers) the card flickers, has artifacts to the point of the app crashing, or flat out rebooting my PC. I'm running an Asus b350m motherboard, Ryzen R7 1700, 16gb 3200 memory and have a Seasonic 620w Power supply.

Is it possible/probable that the PSU being 8 years old just isn't supplying the juice the card needs? PC runs fine with the 480, which is lowering the list of suspects it could be. (The 3060ti was tested before giving it to me and worked fine then)
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You could try power limiting your 3060ti and see if it persists.
 
Miller said:
This autistic dev is making the faggot from Digital Foundry seethe and dilate:
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I recall him having a bit of his own drama where he got overly defensive and avoidant when confronted with criticism but I didn't do any bigger research into what it was about. He is however a bit of an oddball. Technically yes, he has the know-how and is the loudmouth that's needed to tell it how it is, but at the same time his company, Threat Interactive, hasn't made anything worth of note, and he's essentially the only employee there, while constantly saying "we at Threat Interactive".

So it's a bit hard to take him seriously when he's constantly authoritative about his expertise while having nothing to show for it and exaggerating the size of his one man operation to do so.
 
Miller said:
8 GB for a Ti card? Really?
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It's just a repeat of last gen with this refresh gen.

VRAMMSRPCoresBusBandwidth
40608 GB$2993072128-bit272 GB/s
4060 Ti8 GB$3994352128-bit288
4060 Ti16 GB$4994352128-bit288
407012 GB$5995888192-bit504

If you have a 128-bit card, your typical choices were 8 GB (RX 7600) or 16 GB (RX 7600 XT). GDDR7 now opens up the possibility of 12 GB on 128-bit using 3 GB GDDR7 modules.
 
Chapalapachapa said:
whats the fucking point of a 5000 8 card. thing will shit himself if you turn on RT even with the most AI assisted shit
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I can run RT in Diablo IV and Modern Warfare 2019 using my 3050 Ti Laptop 4 GB. Runs just fine on RT low or even medium. A 4060 Ti has about the same RT performance as a 3070, so it should be fine.
 
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