Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

[Raven of the Burning God]

So legalize it to prevent some rich retards from being blackmailed? Great plan!

Probably the main benefit of keeping CSAM uniquely draconianly doubleplus illegal is that you don't have to worry about your blackmail material escaping containment. Anyone else who might come into unauthorized possession of it is already committing a crime. You don't have to worry about someone else burning your rich retard while he's still useful

And if you're blackmailing A BUNCH of rich retard all throughout a government, that material being spread about all willy nilly in a major data breach could jeopardize national security.

 

[Gravemind]

For example: bans on camp fires. Yes, banning people from starting camp fires during dry seasons is useful, but it shouldn't replaces things like controlled burns and cleaning forest beds.

And it doesn't. So, again, what's your point?

Probably the main benefit of keeping CSAM uniquely draconianly doubleplus illegal is that you don't have to worry about your blackmail material escaping containment. Anyone else who might come into unauthorized possession of it is already committing a crime.

That's not how that works.

 

[Tablet County]

I'm not saying "ban nothing", but rather than bans should be treated as a short-term solution in service to long-term changes.
For example: bans on camp fires. Yes, banning people from starting camp fires during dry seasons is useful, but it shouldn't replaces things like controlled burns and cleaning forest beds.

I don't even understand what you're attempting to convey here or how it relates to the subject at hand.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

@SSj_Ness (Yiffed) is more or less picking up what I put down (even if I disagree that christianity is the best path or that morality is directly a legal matter).

I'm very tempted to ask how one can even determine what morality is without Christianity (or some religion), because otherwise we're left with moral relativism, at which point nobody can really ban anything on moral grounds, only practical grounds (which I think still leaves a case for banning loli anyway)... But it'd derail the thread. But I'm glad we're mostly in agreement.

I'm not saying "ban nothing", but rather than bans should be treated as a short-term solution in service to long-term changes.
For example: bans on camp fires. Yes, banning people from starting camp fires during dry seasons is useful, but it shouldn't replaces things like controlled burns and cleaning forest beds.

I'm not sure I follow. You'd be fine with banning loli short-term? And what would be the long-term solution there?

I think the best solution is to burden site hosts and ISPs with the legal responsibility of ensuring they don't facilitate such content, then nobody has to worry as much about the slippery slope and it'd all be gone aside from the dark web, which I honestly don't care much about anyway.

Probably the main benefit of keeping CSAM uniquely draconianly doubleplus illegal is that you don't have to worry about your blackmail material escaping containment. Anyone else who might come into unauthorized possession of it is already committing a crime. You don't have to worry about someone else burning your rich retard while he's still useful

And if you're blackmailing A BUNCH of rich retard all throughout a government, that material being spread about all willy nilly in a major data breach could jeopardize national security.

Sounds like we just shouldn't have degenerates in politics. I'm of the mind that politicians should sacrifice personal privacy during the duration of their public service (and should be paid no more than a livable wage, and more easily removed from office over legal issues/conflicts of interest).

 

[Raven of the Burning God]

That's not how that works.

Did you not read your own link or do you not understand that immediately destroying the evidence and/or reporting a leak to official (i.e. compromised) channels keeps it from spreading and losing value?

Sounds like we just shouldn't have degenerates in politics.

Then who is going to pass laws protecting the value of the blackmail material?

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

He's right about the first point that any law introduced that is about "protecting the kids" or "stopping the exploitation" is really just an excuse to violate fundamental rights. We've seen this dozens of times with laws that want to ban encryption to "stop the terrorists" or regulate the internet and require I.D. to "protect the children". However, instantly going to the argument that the Fed's will fill your devices with CSAM because of this law is a bit too conspiracy theorist, in my opinion.

Usually legislators will attempt to sneak other shit into bills meant to protect children.

Thank God for the dorks who read all that shit.

 

[Mukhrani]

thats fucking gross too and im a bit annoyed you didn't even spoiler this

Why is it 'gross'? It's a fucking baby in a completely innocent context. A baby is one of the most profoundly non-sexual beings on earth. Millions of parents change diapers every day. If someone sees a nude baby and their brain goes there tbh it's more disgusting to me than someone who actually fucked a 17 year old.

Honestly one of the most profoundly based and wise 'legal standards' to come out of the Supreme Court is to define porn as 'I know it when I see it'. Cuts through all the bullshit and whinging and special pleading. Every psychologically healthy person knows porn when they see it instinctively because it's a medium created specifically to appeal to instinct.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Why is it 'gross'? It's a fucking baby in a completely innocent context. A baby is one of the most profoundly non-sexual beings on earth. Millions of parents change diapers every day. If someone sees a nude baby and their brain goes there tbh it's more disgusting to me than someone who actually fucked a 17 year old.

It's gross because it's a naked baby. Also, this isn't changing someone's diaper. Is it such a difficult thing to not want to see baby dicks outside the context of an art museum or the christanity thread?

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

It's gross because it's a naked baby. Also, this isn't changing someone's diaper. Is it such a difficult thing to not want to see baby dicks outside the context of an art museum or the christanity thread?

I can't imagine being such a puritan that Christian antiquity paintings make you uncomfortable. Zoomers clearly have some inherent brain damage to the point where spoon-feeding them religion through tradcath memes still leaves them as touchy, neurotic, brainrotten enormous faggots.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

I can't imagine being such a puritan that Christian antiquity paintings make you uncomfortable. Zoomers clearly have some inherent brain damage to the point where spoon-feeding them religion through tradcath memes still leaves them as touchy, neurotic, brainrotten enormous faggots.

It's a matter of preference. faggot

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

It's a matter of preference. faggot

You mean you aren't pleading with republican law-makers to outlaw this sick filth? That's a change of pace.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

You mean you aren't pleading with republican law-makers to outlaw this sick filth? That's a change of pace.

nah, i said what i said

 

[Gravemind]

Did you not read your own link or do you not understand that immediately destroying the evidence and/or reporting a leak to official (i.e. compromised) channels keeps it from spreading and losing value?

Please, enlighten me as to what value keeping someone else's CSAM might hold for blackmail purposes after destroying and/or reporting the evidence.

Because I was mostly pointing to this whole section (and reusing an old link provided by another user last month):


If you're using CSAM as blackmail, depending on how this is interpreted in court, I'm reasonably certain you would be held just as accountable as the person who originally created and distributed it. Affirmative defense also more clearly defines this as such:


By most measures, I don't think it would qualify as "promptly" or "in good faith" if you've been attempting to use such material for blackmail, especially because you have been retaining it for such uses.

I can't imagine being such a puritan that Christian antiquity paintings make you uncomfortable. Zoomers clearly have some inherent brain damage to the point where spoon-feeding them religion through tradcath memes still leaves them as touchy, neurotic, brainrotten enormous faggots.

You mean you aren't pleading with republican law-makers to outlaw this sick filth? That's a change of pace.

Sick burns, dude. Hey, you better keep chasing this one thread since you were emphatically wrong that the really old piece of Christian artwork isn't actually actionable or illegal.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Man, some of you guys certainly got braver when everyone else decided to do something else with their evenings, huh?

I fall asleep and the world goes to fucking shit. The main thread got locked because of these niggers. The mods I'm assuming from what I saw are doing massive sweeping

 

[Gravemind]

I fall asleep and the world goes to fucking shit. The main thread got locked because of these niggers. The mods I'm assuming from what I saw are doing massive sweeping

Probably. Good thing they have their debate thread to sperg in while the main thread is hopefully just getting cleaned up.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

People that defend loli porn may not be pedophiles. They could just be retarded. Maybe I'm but I want to avoid calling these people pedophiles until there is more proof.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Probably. Good thing they have their debate thread to sperg in while the main thread is hopefully just getting cleaned up.

True. I'm just bitter because I'm missing out on salt at the moment. Legal groups are getting involved and shit lmao. I want my dopamine back man!

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

People that defend loli porn may not be pedophiles. They could just be retarded. Maybe I'm but I want to avoid calling these people pedophiles until there is more proof.

I am more than 100% okay with calling lolicon defenders pedophiles

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

I fall asleep and the world goes to fucking shit. The main thread got locked because of these niggers. The mods I'm assuming from what I saw are doing massive sweeping

Maybe they're trying to figure out why so many users in the thread are applauding heavy-handed legal censorship instead of just pointing and laughing at lolicons.

If I ran a website like Kiwifarms that's been erroneously blamed for troon suicides and outrighted equated to murdering them through cyberbullying, complete with legal battles and deplatforming, I'd be puzzled.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

True. I'm just bitter because I'm missing out on salt at the moment. Legal groups are getting involved and shit lmao. I want my dopamine back man!

It has been hours since the lockdown and no red strikes yet. Starting to lose my faith here.