GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[indomitable snowman]

Take IBM again. They have enough resources to make their own operating system AND make it not fake and gay in the user experience department.

I mean they do have AIX that runs on their power CPUs, but it's probably fake and gay though. Never touched it.

 

[The Ugly One]

I mean they do have AIX that runs on their power CPUs, but it's probably fake and gay though. Never touched it.

It is, from all accounts, a very good Unix implementation and, like other Unix implementations, has been completely outrun by Linux in features and capabilities. The ironic thing is that, despite POSIX being an actual standard, people are so much more likely to have Linux rather than Unix experience that Linux just feels like the standard, and something like AIX feels like a special princess that needs her own special everything just to stop throwing another fucking tantrum.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

#2 is achievable because Google achieved it

Nah, O365/24/7 plus Azure and all that entails for device management. They're too deep and there's so many laws surrounding this shit that changing any of it would be a 10 year project. I'm not even considering how legacy applications factor into that.
It would be a nightmare.

 

[Susanna]

Take IBM again. They have enough resources to make their own operating system AND make it not fake and gay in the user experience department. They could just do everything in house, creating their own "Windows", telling Linux to fuck itself.

They really don’t. IBM isn’t an efficient company, and you need to be fiendishly efficient to compete with free (Linux), bundled (Windows), and pleasant to use (MacOS) all at once. The last time IBM tried to compete in the home computer operating system market they got themselves sued by Star Trek and then their product was dead on arrival anyway even though they’d used Star Trek to market it with (Star Trek was a very popular franchise at the time).

 

[Slav Power]

The last time IBM tried to compete in the home computer operating system market they got themselves sued by Star Trek and then their product was dead on arrival anyway even though they’d used Star Trek to market it with (Star Trek was a very popular franchise at the time).

Also, the last time IBM tried to make a desktop OS with OS/2, they co-developed it with Microsoft, Microsoft then got Dave Cutler & Co to rewrite it into what would become Windows NT, that completely shafted IBM and OS/2 died while Windows NT ended up dominating the home market as well with the release of Windows XP. So there's that.

 

[The Ugly One]

IBM has a long history of inventing technologies that make other companies a fortune while they sit in the cuck shed. The latest one is NVLink, without which Jensen Huang's AI empire wouldn't exist.

Nah, O365/24/7 plus Azure and all that entails for device management. They're too deep and there's so many laws surrounding this shit that changing any of it would be a 10 year project. I'm not even considering how legacy applications factor into that.
It would be a nightmare.

Nothing Google is doing with Android is illegal; what are you smoking?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

This discussion reminded me of the spergs on Games saying how awesome the Steam Deck is and how Nintendo, Sony, and Microshit are done in the industry. Recently news came that the Steam Deck sold a measly 4 million units, worse than the WiiU, and probably a bigger flop than the Dreamcast.

But don't worry, niggers. Windows is DONE. Linux is absolutely going to DESTROY the market.

Selling less units in a crowded gaming market doesn't make it a flop. 50 million Steam Deck sales wasn't going to happen. It's a success if it made them money, which it likely did from both handheld sales and additional game purchases on Steam. Meanwhile, despite selling over 28 million Xbox Series X/S consoles, there's been rampant speculation about Xbox kicking itself out of console hardware due to a relative lack of success vs. PlayStation and failure to hit its lofty Xbox Game Pass subscriber targets. And more recently, rumors like this:
Xbox handheld reportedly being made with Asus — all to take on Steam Deck

But forget the handheld, the real showdown is coming:
Valve Rumored To Launch SteamOS For Desktop PCs Soon; Is Time For A Bloatware-Free OS Near? (archive)

They will not kill Windows with this, but quintupling Linux market share from the current ~2% or whatever is possible if they can leverage anger over the Windows 11 transition and give people Half Life 3 a game for free (only on SteamOS) or something. It also has to play well with Nvidia GPUs.

 

[Dollar Store Sentai]

It's either heat or electricity.

It was heat, it seems he put thermal pads and repasted the card. The pads he used were way too thick. I have new ones coming tomorrow and that should solve the crisis

 

[Fcret]

They will not kill Windows with this, but quintupling Linux market share from the current ~2% or whatever is possible if they can leverage anger over the Windows 11 transition and give people Half Life 3 a game for free (only on SteamOS) or something. It also has to play well with Nvidia GPUs.

People vastly overestimate how much marketshare is necessary to make an OS viable. MacOS (both classic and modern) hovered as low as 5% in the 90s and yet it was still a platform you could buy pretty much any popular and important commercial software package for and run. MacOS is currently a minority in the market at between 15-25% in the US and yet there's almost no software outside of games that you can't get on it (and the issue with games mostly comes down to poor support on Apple's part for anything that isn't Metal).

Linux hitting even 10% marketshare would transform the narrative completely.

 

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Linux hitting even 10% marketshare would transform the narrative completely.

It would if those Linux users had socioeconomic profiles similar to Mac users. More likely to happen with games, than productivity or frankly any other type of applications.

 

[#lurker]

Building in a new case and it came with washers for the motherboard screws? Is that a thing? Never seen that before.

 

[The Ugly One]

But forget the handheld, the real showdown is coming:
Valve Rumored To Launch SteamOS For Desktop PCs Soon; Is Time For A Bloatware-Free OS Near? (archive)

They will not kill Windows with this, but quintupling Linux market share from the current ~2% or whatever is possible if they can leverage anger over the Windows 11 transition and give people Half Life 3 a game for free (only on SteamOS) or something. It also has to play well with Nvidia GPUs.

I think the number of people who want to use Steam on Linux but are holding out for Valve to make their own version of Linux has got to be a rounding error on the 33 million Linux users that are already out there in the world, if it's not already zero.

 

[WULULULULU]

These ridiculous prices of PC parts, both new and used, will end up killing PC enthusiasm in general. I am reminded of this when I was watching a video from Dawid Does Tech Stuff's Japan video and seeing those prices have reminded me how much parts costs are now. Its no wonder the general population just goes to consoles and phones; why bother with extreme prices for a computer when """budget""" options like a console, smartphone and laptop exists to fulfill the same thing, except these tech can't be the solution to a manufactured problem and are planned to become obsolete few years from the purchase date.

 

[The Ugly One]

These ridiculous prices of PC parts, both new and used, will end up killing PC enthusiasm in general. I am reminded of this when I was watching a video from Dawid Does Tech Stuff's Japan video and seeing those prices have reminded me how much parts costs are now. Its no wonder the general population just goes to consoles and phones; why bother with extreme prices for a computer when """budget""" options like a console, smartphone and laptop exists to fulfill the same thing, except these tech can't be the solution to a manufactured problem and are planned to become obsolete few years from the purchase date.

Life cycle on a console is about ten years these days. The 2014 PS4 is still getting new games.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

These ridiculous prices of PC parts, both new and used, will end up killing PC enthusiasm in general. I am reminded of this when I was watching a video from Dawid Does Tech Stuff's Japan video and seeing those prices have reminded me how much parts costs are now. Its no wonder the general population just goes to consoles and phones; why bother with extreme prices for a computer when """budget""" options like a console, smartphone and laptop exists to fulfill the same thing, except these tech can't be the solution to a manufactured problem and are planned to become obsolete few years from the purchase date.

If I can ever get my hands on a 9070 at MSRP I plan on doing one final all AMD build and moving to linux and using it until the end of days. This market is just too damn depressing.

 

[Fcret]

These ridiculous prices of PC parts, both new and used, will end up killing PC enthusiasm in general. I am reminded of this when I was watching a video from Dawid Does Tech Stuff's Japan video and seeing those prices have reminded me how much parts costs are now. Its no wonder the general population just goes to consoles and phones; why bother with extreme prices for a computer when """budget""" options like a console, smartphone and laptop exists to fulfill the same thing, except these tech can't be the solution to a manufactured problem and are planned to become obsolete few years from the purchase date.

Like the ridiculous prices of PC parts in the 90s killed PC enthusiasm in general? Nigger, a midrange gaming PC in 2002 would have run you $1500. That's over $3k today. And yet PC gaming was doing just fine. And that midrange gaming PC would have been lucky to do 60 fps/medium/800x600 on games two years later. Meanwhile people get a 4060 nowadays and complain that they they might have to to turn things down from Ultra to High in order maintain above 100 fps. Oh, and that's not even getting into the fact that medium presets in 2002 looked like garbage while low presets in 2025 look barely distinguishable from ultra.

PC maintains a strong following because it does things consoles can't. That was how it was in 2002 and that's how it is today.

 

[The Ugly One]

Nigger, a midrange gaming PC in 2002 would have run you $1500. That's over $3k today.

I'm just curious, so I'm speccing this out.

2002 mid-range hardware
GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128 MB - $199
Pentium 4 2.0A - $364 (yes, CPUs were more expensive than GPUs back then)
512 MB DDR - $100 (2x 256 MB SDR is the same price)
Motherboard - $125 or so
Hard drive - $100
Case - $100 (includes PSU)
CD-RW - $125
1024 CRT Monitor - $350
Windows XP - $100

Comes out to $1560, so your instinct was about right. And all that got you a computer that in 2 years will choke on Half-Life 2, Far Cry, and Doom 3. Normal mapping was the raytracing of the 2000s, and you were lucky if you could run a game at 30 fps that featured it heavily.

 

[Fcret]

I'm just curious, so I'm speccing this out.

2002 mid-range hardware
GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128 MB - $199
Pentium 4 2.0A - $364 (yes, CPUs were more expensive than GPUs back then)
512 MB DDR - $100 (2x 256 MB SDR is the same price)
Motherboard - $125 or so
Hard drive - $100
Case - $100 (includes PSU)
CD-RW - $125
1024 CRT Monitor - $350
Windows XP - $100

Comes out to $1560, so your instinct was about right.

I have this very specific data point nailed down because my parents got me a PC in 2002 with roughly the specs you listed for around this price (it was a prebuilt so I fudged the numbers downward toward what BYO equivalent would have been). In early 2005, I installed the FEAR demo and discovered... it was unplayable unless I cranked everything down to potato mode and then it didn't even really feel like a horror game because the lighting was ruined.

And all that got you a computer that in 2 years will choke on Half-Life 2, Far Cry, and Doom 3. Normal mapping was the raytracing of the 2000s, and you were lucky if you could run a game at 30 fps that featured it heavily.

Oh yeah, and it was the same sort of situation - cards had support for it but using it would tank FPS hard.

 

[The Ugly One]

I have this very specific data point nailed down because my parents got me a PC in 2002 with roughly the specs you listed for around this price (it was a prebuilt so I fudged the numbers downward toward what BYO equivalent would have been). In early 2005, I installed the FEAR demo and discovered... it was unplayable unless I cranked everything down to potato mode and then it didn't even really feel like a horror game because the lighting was ruined.


Oh yeah, and it was the same sort of situation - cards had support for it but using it would tank FPS hard.

I had a GeForce4 MX (which was a rebadged GeForce 2) and would have died in shock if NVIDIA came out with a technology that allowed it to run new games when it was 2 years old at 800x600x60 fps. Now you have people with 7-year-old cards bitching that they can't get 120 fps at max settings and crying about the "good old days" when "everything was optimized."

like nigga my brand-new GPU was obsolete six hours after I installed it

 

[Fcret]

I had a GeForce4 MX (which was a rebadged GeForce 2) and would have died in shock if NVIDIA came out with a technology that allowed it to run new games when it was 2 years old at 800x600x60 fps. Now you have people with 7-year-old cards bitching that they can't get 120 fps at max settings and crying about the "good old days" when "everything was optimized."

like nigga my brand-new GPU was obsolete six hours after I installed it

I was looking at the minimum specs for some newer AAA releases and here's something that stuck out to me:


These are the minimum specs for Silent Hill 2 (remake). You can play this ultra whizzbang AAA game that stresses current gen consoles with an upper midrange card from... 7 years ago. Like I know the idea of midrange is a little bit different between 2002 and 2017 but even a flagship card that was 5+ years old in the mid-2000s would have been unusable junk.