US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Members of the Trump Administration
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[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

I think everyone on the thread here would be against even visiting the place, tbh.

I mean i'd go to cologne, but only because i'm a fan of their soccer team. outside of that.. Berlin maybe but that's it.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

IMHO, the one thing Trump is failing with the moderate vote is his position on the Israel-Palestine War, especially compared to his stance on wanting to end the Russo-Ukraine War because it is costing American taxpayers in the short and long run. It still feels like that the Republican Party loves to kowtow to Israel interests in spite of American values. I'd argue that is worse than the anti-abortion types as they are working behind the scenes for religious pandering until they outright say it.

I think he would have less traction if Israel wasn't essentially fighting the armies of Satan.

Moderates may not be pro-Israel, but a lot of them are Anti-muslim.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

I think everyone on the thread here would be against even visiting the place, tbh.

i have no interest in visiting Muslim counties.

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

IMHO, the one thing Trump is failing with the moderate vote is his position on the Israel-Palestine War, especially compared to his stance on wanting to end the Russo-Ukraine War because it is costing American taxpayers in the short and long run. It still feels like that the Republican Party loves to kowtow to Israel interests in spite of American values. I'd argue that is worse than the anti-abortion types as they are working behind the scenes for religious pandering until they outright say it.

I mean, could we actually have peace within the region? The only way I see it working is a sort of DMZ like North/South Korea. Have the UN run it.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

A lot of Jews lived in Germany and hence have German surnames. Thanks for playing.

thats my point. You guys are calling people with german surnames who have nothing to do with Jews Jewish because of their Germanic last name. How are you missing this

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

the dems are in too deep to moderate, if they did they'd lose the Coalition of fags and browns and most whites are gonna stay with the repubs simply because atleast the republicans haven't spent the past 20 years calling them all POS that need to die. the only chance the left has is to hope the culture rapidly shifts back to how it was in 2020 but even then what arguments do they have anymore? the left got everything they ever wanted, had all the power in the world and made everyone's life worse for it. they have literally nothing to run on, no ideas how to make the world "better" they're fucked.

This is what's been very curious to witness: the Democrats refuse to moderate at all. As @MembersSchoolPizza notes above, Trump dragged the Republicans kicking and screaming to moderate positions which has resulted in quite the political shift. Does it satisfy the hardcore Christians and staunch anti-abortion people? Well, no, it doesn't. However, it has done damage to the Democrats using the 14th Amendment to justify everything, it has done damage to the embedded forever bureaucracy, it has done damage to Chevron deference and alphabet-soup bureaus doing whatever they want, it has resulted in a meaningful Middle East peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and it has taken fiscal conservatism a lot more seriously than any other American political party in the 21st century. Trump's camp being fun and hopeful is icing on the cake. Most people do not want to feel like everything sucks, which is how most Democrats act even when they're king of the hill.

For most of the 21st century, the Republicans came across as toothless, uncaring about their constituents, and basically the political equivalent of a great big fat person who's really sleepy after eating and drinking too much on Thanksgiving night. The Democrats, by comparison, had a major head start: George W. Bush wasn't a great president and started two wars, one of which (Iraq) was totally unnecessary and had terrible consequences all-around. They had a media ready to pounce and a jaded youth ready to vote. Then they had Obama, who centralized federal power and wielded that power with impunity. Whatever anyone wants to say about Obama, he was a talented politician and administrator even if I think his ends were bad for the most part.

Now the Democrats are on the back-foot and it seems like they have no idea what to do even thought the answer is right in front of them: moderate the party platform. The problem, as I see it, is they've written themselves into a corner where they castigated everything Trump said and made themselves such an anti-Trump party that moderating is a blatant admission that the past 10 years have been a complete waste. All that money, all that time, all that energy for nothing. A serious politician would bite the bullet in order to salvage the party but - as we have seen - the Democrats are not serious politicians. If Trump personally discovered a cure for pancreatic cancer and made it free for the whole world, the Democrats would find a way to attack him for it because they are that petty and gross. Americans are seeing Democrats for what they are.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

For most of the 21st century, the Republicans came across as toothless, uncaring about their constituents, and basically the political equivalent of a great big fat person who's really sleepy after eating and drinking too much on Thanksgiving night. The Democrats, by comparison, had a major head start: George W. Bush wasn't a great president and started two wars, one of which (Iraq) was totally unnecessary and had terrible consequences all-around. They had a media ready to pounce and a jaded youth ready to vote. Then they had Obama, who centralized federal power and wielded that power with impunity. Whatever anyone wants to say about Obama, he was a talented politician and administrator even if I think his ends were bad for the most part.

How do you think Al Gore would have handled 9/11?

 

[The Last Stand]

I think he would have less traction if Israel wasn't essentially fighting the armies of Satan.

Moderates may not be pro-Israel, but a lot of them are Anti-muslim.

That aside, I (and many others here, I'm sure) fundamentally believe that America should not be involved in any more wars. The US' status as a war machine is too much to bear for the tax payer and general world stability.

 

[Krayt Dragon]

thats my point. You guys are calling people with german surnames who have nothing to do with Jews Jewish because of their Germanic last name. How are you missing this

A non-jew can have a Yiddish name and someone can be a Baum or a Feld (actual German words) without being a Jew. But Schwartz and Kurtz are Yiddish words, not German.

Yiddish and German use very similar words sometimes, due to their history with each other. Some words have no variation, like Mensch (Human), or with a little variation, like Gevalt (Gewalt(Violence/Force)), Kurtz (Kurz(Short)) and Schwartz (Schwarz(Black)), but the way you write those makes them distinctly Yiddish and not German.

 

[mandatorylurk]

All Trump does is win:




Suck it Kim Jong Ill and Un and Sun and Moon.

 

[Calandrino]

How do you think Al Gore would have handled 9/11?

Probably would've used something eco friendly like dirigibles instead of 767s.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

That aside, I (and many others here, I'm sure) fundamentally believe that America should not be involved in any more wars. The US' status as a war machine is too much to bear for the tax payer and general world stability.

Conceptually I'm on your side.

Practically speaking, I very much do not want Israel to lose, not because I have any particular love for Isreal, but because they kill Muslims better than we've been willing to, and I really don't want to see muslims unchecked in the middle east.

It doesn't sway my vote one way or another, but lets put it this way - The Democrats have been learning a harsh lesson in the last two years that more people hate muslims than hate Israel.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

This is part of how leftists manage to gain so much ground (along with the literal billion-dollar money laundering schemes that fund them). They refuse to ever be satisfied. They got gay marriage and immediately moved on to tranny shit being the new big thing. If they ever manage to get that widely accepted, they'll move on to bestiality. Then pedophilia.
They use the slippery slope "fallacy" as a damn slip-n-slide.

Actually given the timeframe, I'm guessing it'll be AI-human relationships, especially if AGI happens. That fits their goals, since humans and AI inherently cannot procreate, any humans wasting their fertile years on a chatbot aren't breeding with other humans, and any older humans doing the same don't need as much resources.

That is 100% NOT TRUE. They DID try to file before the election. The judges told them their issue was that they didn't suffer any tangible, measurable damages. They specifically told the Trump Administration they wouldn't hear the case because he hadn't lost the election yet. Effectively saying, you cannot sue before the election. So once the election had happened, they turned around and claimed standing and latches. Effectively saying you cannot sue over the election because you cannot sue before or during and you cannot sue after due to standings. It was a 100% corrupt decision and never forget it was fucking that traitor Roberts that did it.

As it currently stands in the US you cannot sue over a clearly rigged election.

Yes, the meme was "Latches, Moot, No standing!"

Because Laches meant you couldn't sue before they actually stole the election because they hadn't actually done anything yet
Moot meant you couldn't sue after they stole the election cause it had already happened
And No Standing meant you, personally, were not harmed by a stolen election so you couldn't sue

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

How do you think Al Gore would have handled 9/11?

I have absolutely no idea. Afghanistan would have happened anyway because Pakistan was supporting the Taliban for years prior to 9/11, and the Taliban were supporting Al-Qaeda. The US wanted to put a stop to that for a long time. US intelligence services at the time suspected that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 because Saddam openly supported countless violent Islamist groups and had a cooperative relationship with Al-Qaeda. My intuition is that many of the sites in Iraq suspected of having WMDs were actually suspected of being training grounds for Al-Qaeda (or other groups affiliated with Al-Qaeda). It probably made sense at the time to hit the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the region. Unfortunately, it turned out that Saddam really didn't have anything to do with 9/11 - or Saddam's people did a good job of scrubbing before Americans took the bases (and Iraqi special forces did scrub the bases) and any evidence to support the US invasion was destroyed.

All that said, Al Gore probably would have invaded Iraq with all the information in front of him at the time and nearly 3,000 Americans dead. Maybe. It's a huge counterfactual.

 

[Polyboros2]

Here's a interesting question.
If you were in charge of the DNC, what would you do to try to win 2028? do you stick with Moderates? lean harder into the left?

I don't think they have a winning move for 2028. It's MAGA's election to lose.

What they need is the thing they'd resist the most, worse than going full prog and poisoning their national chances, and worse than going hard moderate and turning off the young indealist they've stuck in dead end positions in the low level local offices of the Party.

They need their Trump. Someone that isn't part of either faction, the establishment or the progressives, but hits hard on a central position that they both agree on enough, that they can over look smaller positions that upset either side.

The progs crave power, they will tear the party in two before they get sidelined. I think that's what the coup with Kamala was, the younger idealists forced her to be the candidate where Biden was suppose to open the way for an establishment candidate. The establishment put the party into this position, ensuring no charismatic outsider could step in and steal some of the profit of the corrupt money laundering system they made, they however are fat on pork and old enough to start dying off, they don't have the energy to fight for a better situation for themselves, and will probably just let the progs win and let them take the blame for blowing up the party.

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

He's an old white man, he'll turn off the low propensity progs, but not all of them, and it's probably the candidate that can pull the hardest off the center to have a chance. If he accomplishes some major things that will get him cred, and then fueds with Trump to get kicked out over bad blood, that'll wash clear a lot of the stink of working in his administration.

But those in charge of both sides of the party probably won't let him.

 

[gibbslets]

he said really huge boobs

e.g. G-Cup or bigger.

This gets picked up by the DNC dragnet and mentioned in a meeting.
“It seems our former voters are saying if it’s a female candidate she has to have really big boobs, and we should choose someone famous”
“Well they didn’t say anything about her race”

PRECIOUS FOR PRESIDENT 2028

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

He's an old white man, he'll turn off the low propensity progs, but not all of them, and it's probably the candidate that can pull the hardest off the center to have a chance. If he accomplishes some major things that will get him cred, and then fueds with Trump to get kicked out over bad blood, that'll wash clear a lot of the stink of working in his administration.

But those in charge of both sides of the party probably won't let him.

Absolutely, 100% no chance. They've burned RFK Jr too bad. Even if he would be willing to go back, it's irrelevant - they've spent too much time demonizing him to their own voters.

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

I was going to say Stephen A Smith. He's on the Fox shows, he's a centrist, has name value, and he wants to run under the Democrats, I don't see why he wouldn't be a serious contender.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

https://capitolweekly.net/ca-120-gavins-podcast-presidential-run-or-empire-building/

New data on the reaction to Gavin Newsom’s new podcast:
- Favorability amongst Liberals has declined from 46% to 30%.
- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”
- His net favorability dropped from +4 to -6, a 10-point swing in the wrong direction.
- Only 13% of voters had an improved perception of him, and only 1 in 5 said the podcast made them want to tune in for more.

 

[NSA Intern]

https://capitolweekly.net/ca-120-gavins-podcast-presidential-run-or-empire-building/

New data on the reaction to Gavin Newsom’s new podcast:
- Favorability amongst Liberals has declined from 46% to 30%.
- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”
- His net favorability dropped from +4 to -6, a 10-point swing in the wrong direction.
- Only 13% of voters had an improved perception of him, and only 1 in 5 said the podcast made them want to tune in for more.

Should've gone on Rogan.