US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Calandrino]

How do you think Al Gore would have handled 9/11?

Probably would've used something eco friendly like dirigibles instead of 767s.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

That aside, I (and many others here, I'm sure) fundamentally believe that America should not be involved in any more wars. The US' status as a war machine is too much to bear for the tax payer and general world stability.

Conceptually I'm on your side.

Practically speaking, I very much do not want Israel to lose, not because I have any particular love for Isreal, but because they kill Muslims better than we've been willing to, and I really don't want to see muslims unchecked in the middle east.

It doesn't sway my vote one way or another, but lets put it this way - The Democrats have been learning a harsh lesson in the last two years that more people hate muslims than hate Israel.

 

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This is part of how leftists manage to gain so much ground (along with the literal billion-dollar money laundering schemes that fund them). They refuse to ever be satisfied. They got gay marriage and immediately moved on to tranny shit being the new big thing. If they ever manage to get that widely accepted, they'll move on to bestiality. Then pedophilia.
They use the slippery slope "fallacy" as a damn slip-n-slide.

Actually given the timeframe, I'm guessing it'll be AI-human relationships, especially if AGI happens. That fits their goals, since humans and AI inherently cannot procreate, any humans wasting their fertile years on a chatbot aren't breeding with other humans, and any older humans doing the same don't need as much resources.

That is 100% NOT TRUE. They DID try to file before the election. The judges told them their issue was that they didn't suffer any tangible, measurable damages. They specifically told the Trump Administration they wouldn't hear the case because he hadn't lost the election yet. Effectively saying, you cannot sue before the election. So once the election had happened, they turned around and claimed standing and latches. Effectively saying you cannot sue over the election because you cannot sue before or during and you cannot sue after due to standings. It was a 100% corrupt decision and never forget it was fucking that traitor Roberts that did it.

As it currently stands in the US you cannot sue over a clearly rigged election.

Yes, the meme was "Latches, Moot, No standing!"

Because Laches meant you couldn't sue before they actually stole the election because they hadn't actually done anything yet
Moot meant you couldn't sue after they stole the election cause it had already happened
And No Standing meant you, personally, were not harmed by a stolen election so you couldn't sue

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

How do you think Al Gore would have handled 9/11?

I have absolutely no idea. Afghanistan would have happened anyway because Pakistan was supporting the Taliban for years prior to 9/11, and the Taliban were supporting Al-Qaeda. The US wanted to put a stop to that for a long time. US intelligence services at the time suspected that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 because Saddam openly supported countless violent Islamist groups and had a cooperative relationship with Al-Qaeda. My intuition is that many of the sites in Iraq suspected of having WMDs were actually suspected of being training grounds for Al-Qaeda (or other groups affiliated with Al-Qaeda). It probably made sense at the time to hit the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the region. Unfortunately, it turned out that Saddam really didn't have anything to do with 9/11 - or Saddam's people did a good job of scrubbing before Americans took the bases (and Iraqi special forces did scrub the bases) and any evidence to support the US invasion was destroyed.

All that said, Al Gore probably would have invaded Iraq with all the information in front of him at the time and nearly 3,000 Americans dead. Maybe. It's a huge counterfactual.

 

[Polyboros2]

Here's a interesting question.
If you were in charge of the DNC, what would you do to try to win 2028? do you stick with Moderates? lean harder into the left?

I don't think they have a winning move for 2028. It's MAGA's election to lose.

What they need is the thing they'd resist the most, worse than going full prog and poisoning their national chances, and worse than going hard moderate and turning off the young indealist they've stuck in dead end positions in the low level local offices of the Party.

They need their Trump. Someone that isn't part of either faction, the establishment or the progressives, but hits hard on a central position that they both agree on enough, that they can over look smaller positions that upset either side.

The progs crave power, they will tear the party in two before they get sidelined. I think that's what the coup with Kamala was, the younger idealists forced her to be the candidate where Biden was suppose to open the way for an establishment candidate. The establishment put the party into this position, ensuring no charismatic outsider could step in and steal some of the profit of the corrupt money laundering system they made, they however are fat on pork and old enough to start dying off, they don't have the energy to fight for a better situation for themselves, and will probably just let the progs win and let them take the blame for blowing up the party.

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

He's an old white man, he'll turn off the low propensity progs, but not all of them, and it's probably the candidate that can pull the hardest off the center to have a chance. If he accomplishes some major things that will get him cred, and then fueds with Trump to get kicked out over bad blood, that'll wash clear a lot of the stink of working in his administration.

But those in charge of both sides of the party probably won't let him.

 

[gibbslets]

he said really huge boobs

e.g. G-Cup or bigger.

This gets picked up by the DNC dragnet and mentioned in a meeting.
“It seems our former voters are saying if it’s a female candidate she has to have really big boobs, and we should choose someone famous”
“Well they didn’t say anything about her race”

PRECIOUS FOR PRESIDENT 2028

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

He's an old white man, he'll turn off the low propensity progs, but not all of them, and it's probably the candidate that can pull the hardest off the center to have a chance. If he accomplishes some major things that will get him cred, and then fueds with Trump to get kicked out over bad blood, that'll wash clear a lot of the stink of working in his administration.

But those in charge of both sides of the party probably won't let him.

Absolutely, 100% no chance. They've burned RFK Jr too bad. Even if he would be willing to go back, it's irrelevant - they've spent too much time demonizing him to their own voters.

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

I think they have the candidate for this though, which would be an incredibly unusual circumstance. There is a potential for 2028 to be between two members of the outgoing administration:

RFK Jr versus JD Vance.

I was going to say Stephen A Smith. He's on the Fox shows, he's a centrist, has name value, and he wants to run under the Democrats, I don't see why he wouldn't be a serious contender.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

https://capitolweekly.net/ca-120-gavins-podcast-presidential-run-or-empire-building/

New data on the reaction to Gavin Newsom’s new podcast:
- Favorability amongst Liberals has declined from 46% to 30%.
- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”
- His net favorability dropped from +4 to -6, a 10-point swing in the wrong direction.
- Only 13% of voters had an improved perception of him, and only 1 in 5 said the podcast made them want to tune in for more.

 

[NSA Intern]

https://capitolweekly.net/ca-120-gavins-podcast-presidential-run-or-empire-building/

New data on the reaction to Gavin Newsom’s new podcast:
- Favorability amongst Liberals has declined from 46% to 30%.
- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”
- His net favorability dropped from +4 to -6, a 10-point swing in the wrong direction.
- Only 13% of voters had an improved perception of him, and only 1 in 5 said the podcast made them want to tune in for more.

Should've gone on Rogan.

 

[Krayt Dragon]

To be fair, I wish more Jews ignored me like this, my life would be significantly better.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

https://capitolweekly.net/ca-120-gavins-podcast-presidential-run-or-empire-building/

New data on the reaction to Gavin Newsom’s new podcast:
- Favorability amongst Liberals has declined from 46% to 30%.
- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”
- His net favorability dropped from +4 to -6, a 10-point swing in the wrong direction.
- Only 13% of voters had an improved perception of him, and only 1 in 5 said the podcast made them want to tune in for more.

Ouch.

Fits the pattern, though.

During the 2024 elections, there was a lot of democrats saying "We've got to get our message out!".

Noooo, no, you don't want that. Your only strength right now is most of your voters are ignorant of what your message actually is. Your message is terrible even to many of your voters.

 

[UnidentifiedFlyingOrchid]

Here's a interesting question.
If you were in charge of the DNC, what would you do to try to win 2028? do you stick with Moderates? lean harder into the left?

Firstly, I would never be put in charge of the DNC.

Primary every single current Democrat. New platform is anti-banker, anti-landlord, anti-monopoly, anti-warmonger, anti-interventional, pro-family, pro-union, protectionist, heavy investments in infrastructure, heavy investments in medical and tech research, free merit-based higher education, basic income with 10 hours service per week, and explicit acknowledgement of the distinct interests of demographic groups. Demographic groups are interest groups based on race, religion, and/or nationality.

This would easily earn the majority of the vote. The current oligarchs would start a civil war before they allowed this platform to gain power.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Hyperloop

People say this word and all I hear is Thunderf00t crying.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

To be fair, I wish more Jews ignored me like this, my life would be significantly better.

you made your point, i thought it was informative. I still think that she specifically is not Jewish because that surname is clustered in Iowa. Not sure why a Jewish family would move there vs new york

 

[Jacques1194]

so basically just become MAGA and run Tulsi Gabbard.

the dems are in too deep to moderate, if they did they'd lose the Coalition of fags and browns and most whites are gonna stay with the repubs simply because atleast the republicans haven't spent the past 20 years calling them all POS that need to die. the only chance the left has is to hope the culture rapidly shifts back to how it was in 2020 but even then what arguments do they have anymore? the left got everything they ever wanted, had all the power in the world and made everyone's life worse for it. they have literally nothing to run on, no ideas how to make the world "better" they're fucked.

This makes me want to bring up something. Does anyone ever think the left will stop with their anti white hate? I know they argue that they aren't anti white but want to give minority groups equal rights, but the more time went on, the more I realized how much they hate white people. I saw this with George Floyd and BLM where they demanded black people to unite against racism and talk about black pride, but when white people want common sense immigration laws and more policies that'll help Europeans to have more children, you're not only seen as an evil nazi but suddenly "Race doesn't exist and we shouldn't care about white people being a minority in Europe because were all human beings". Personally, if the poll that came out recently with the dems hitting a new low is true then they have no one to blame but themselves for alienating white people.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

All Trump does is win:

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Suck it Kim Jong Ill and Un and Sun and Moon.

Trump is legitimately good at golf, which drives his detractors even crazier.

 

[Polyboros2]

Absolutely, 100% no chance. They've burned RFK Jr too bad. Even if he would be willing to go back, it's irrelevant - they've spent too much time demonizing him to their own voters.

It'd have to be a semi-hostile take over like with Trump. The right tried to demonize Trump just as much, remember the "Grab them by the Pussy" gotcha came from his side, they really feebly tried to push out over false moralizing and were resoundingly rejected by the constituency.

But, yeah, I said that both sides of the divide would rather let the other soft cripple the party than have a third left-populist candidate take over.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

- While some Republicans agreed with his stances, they overwhelmingly viewed him as insincere, calling him “fake” and “pandering”

My entire adult life he's been in some position making things worse, and the entire time he's been alternating between sucking the dick of every insane thing progressives wanted to do or did in California, and talking about said dick-sucking when he came up for air.

He has a long record of signing every single thing Scott Weiner puts in front of him like a well groomed drinking bird toy, and that's what will really kill him: no record of "being reasonable". If he vetoed things that moderates would approve of vetoing, even knowing for example that his veto would be overridden, that gives him any history of actions to appeal to non-insane people, but he couldn't even do that AFAIK.

Which leaves us with talking, something any psychopath is good at but not super helpful as trust in elected officials continues to circle the toilet, and actions speak louder.

 

[mlanguishi]

All Trump does is win:

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Suck it Kim Jong Ill and Un and Sun and Moon.

I admit "probably my last" is kind of sad to hear.