Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

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I wonder what post he malded at enough to report

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

I hope the drawings are getting counseling and all the support they need after being abused.

i like how you said you were gonna leave the thread but came back because you're attention seeking faggot pedophile

 

[Pro-Islam = Anti-Woman]

i like how you said you were gonna leave the thread but came back because you're attention seeking faggot pedophile

Well he's not coming back now

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Well he's not coming back now

i just saw null in this thread. the most iconic way to end this thread.

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Alright, I'm out. @Null woke up from his shotacon goonsesh and the thread is full of people who are genuinely angry at drawings (including Null.) Red strikethrough or not, this has all gotten way too dumb for my tastes. inb4 "You've never contributed to the site GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT" garbage post by dear feeder.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHQAHAQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

 

[Pro-Islam = Anti-Woman]

i just saw null in this thread. the most iconic way to end this thread.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHQAHAQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

Do you win mass debates often?

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Do you win mass debates often?

I like to think I win most arguments on KiwiFarms. However, being anti-pedophile isn't exactly the most controversial opinion to have

I wonder what post he malded at enough to report

I hope it was me calling him a pedophile.

edit: nvm it was from the other thread

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

edit: nvm it was from the other thread

That makes it even funnier. He came back here to complain instead of complaining in the thread itself (and then pinged null) because he wanted attention that desperately

 

[Soyjak Enjoyer]

You can do the intellectual jerkoff arguments on either side

What if someone opened art software, drew a lolicon picture, and it ended up being a pixel perfect duplicate of an actual CP photo. Clearly drawn stuff is just as bad
What if someone had an 20 year old friend with dwarfism and had her pose sexually. Taking a photo of her would obviously be legal, but drawing a portrait shouldn't be? That clearly doesn't make sense.

These what if scenarios are a trick pedos use to deflect. You just need to apply common fucking sense. Just stop being a pussy and fucking say "I want to be allowed to jerk off to lolicon" don't try to frame this as some fucking referendum on western civilization or whatever nonsense

 

[Gravemind]

don't try to frame this as some fucking referendum on western civilization or whatever nonsense

"But muh thoughtcrimes!"

Come back and whine about it when the United States unironically turns into an "Escape from New York/L.A." type of situation. It'll do you guys just as much good as bitching about it right here, right now.

 

[Flame War Vet]

Why anyone would defend CP and loli unless they goon to it thmeselves is beyond me.

 

[Gravemind]

Why anyone would defend CP and loli unless they goon to it thmeselves is beyond me.

The "logic and reason" I've seen them try to assert is that if they start suppressing lolicon, it'll snowball into suppression of dissenting opinions in general, and an overall oppression of the populace, thus turning society into a dictatorship where you can be jailed (or worse) simply for not thinking in the ways that the government approves of.

Also some kind of rhetoric about how the prisons are overpopulated as it is by people who have committed victimless crimes (such as consumers of marijuana), thus leading to further strain on the economy and general instability of civilization, while more violent and impactful crimes are free to happen unchallenged because the police and the powers that be are definitely devoting too much manpower into catching easy targets rather than people who actually need the punishment.

(See? I've listened to the arguments. I simply find them retarded.)

 

[WelperHelper99]

Also some kind of rhetoric about how the prisons are overpopulated as it is by people who have committed victimless crimes (such as consumers of marijuana), thus leading to further strain on the economy and general instability of civilization, while more violent and impactful crimes are free to happen unchallenged because the police and the powers that be are definitely devoting too much manpower into catching easy targets rather than people who actually need the punishment.

I can make a steelman argument against weed that isnt drugs le bad: most Marijuana is grown by cartels, which are terrorists organizations. Even legal weed has had a problem of having their operations co opted by cartels. Victimless crime my ass. You're funding murderers and rapists.

 

[Gravemind]

I can make a steelman argument against weed that isnt drugs le bad: most Marijuana is grown by cartels, which are terrorists organizations. Even legal weed has had a problem of having their operations co opted by cartels. Victimless crime my ass. You're funding murderers and rapists.

"Not if I grow my own!"
So where did you get the bud to do so?
"From another person who grew his own!"
And where did he get that bud from?
"From his own supplier!"
And where did that supplier get his product from?
[Insert assblasted excuse here]

 

[WelperHelper99]

"Not if I grow my own!"
So where did you get the bud to do so?
"From another person who grew his own!"
And where did he get that bud from?
"From his own supplier!"
And where did that supplier get his product from?
[Insert assblasted excuse here]

And you can tie that back to lolicon.
>How did they draw that Loli
>using references
>of children?
>no, from another hentai
>but where did that loli hentai get its references?
>head explodes

 

[draggs]

I can make a steelman argument against weed that isnt drugs le bad: most Marijuana is grown by cartels, which are terrorists organizations. Even legal weed has had a problem of having their operations co opted by cartels. Victimless crime my ass. You're funding murderers and rapists.

Name me a product that isn't true of tbh

 

[WelperHelper99]

Name me a product that isn't true of tbh

I don't think a USA made Tupperware is related to a Terrorist organization subject to military force

 

[Not 6 Foot]

The "logic and reason" I've seen them try to assert is that if they start suppressing lolicon, it'll snowball into suppression of dissenting opinions in general

If the dissenting opinion (or, "freedom of expression," or whatever) is the sexualization and objectification of children then it deserves to be suppressed.
I've never understood the deflection arguments, anyway, as possession of CSAM is already illegal and none of the apocalyptic government overreach is happening as a result of it. Of course, then the deflection is that drawn images aren't the same as photos or videos which is literally true but always ignores the concept of intent and the very purpose of substitution.

It's like saying, "dang," instead of, "damn," and feeling proud of yourself that you conveyed the exact same thing but didn't use the no-no word and, instead, used a word that means the exact same thing as the no-no word in the context you used it in.

 

[draggs]

I don't think a USA made Tupperware is related to a Terrorist organization subject to military force

That Tupperware was made from petroleum products. Even if those products came wholly from the USA, unless the oil company that produced them has zero ties to any foreign oil operations, giving Made in the USA Tupperware company money for their Tupperware product gives money to oil company which helps said company be in a position to be involved in foreign oil production, thus enriching foreign oil producing countries, nearly all of which are run by murderers and rapists. Globalization is a bitch ain't it

Maybe if you're buying not name brand Tupperware from a smaller company that gets its product from smaller factories that get their petroleum products from smaller oil companies. But how you, the individual consoomer, would be able to determine all that when you're just trying to buy some plastic containers at Wal-Mart or off Amazon... If it's name brand, you're helping fund murderers and rapists. And what about all the machinery and electricity and everything that smaller factory and that smaller oil company needs to run? What about the skilled employees and management of the company that owns the smaller factory, the skilled employees and management of the smaller oil company? Any of those people get any of their experience from working in places ultimately run by rapists and murderers at any time in their careers?

How far should you go down the rabbit hole to meet your high moral standard?

 

[Po's Cootah]

My honest opinion on this new bill:
Banning AI-generated child pornography/shotacon/lolicon is a good thing, as they use actual children as references. Even more so if they use deep fakes of actual children or if the images are very realistic. Even when the child in the image is not real, the child that is used for the prompt is. There absolutely should be regulations for these kinds of things so real children are not sexualized through art.

On the other hand, when it comes to cartoons, disgust does not and should not define morality. Arresting someone and registering them as a sex offender just because they had rule 34 of Uraraka Ochako or Kim Possible on their hard drive is just stupid and just unnecessary censorship. Sure, there are limits, such as drawn CSEM out of actual children (looking at you, Shadman), but witch hunting someone over drawing aged-up Lisa Simpson is just dumb. What one likes in fiction doesn't always dictate what they like in real life.

Countries like Pakistan, India, Indonesia and Bangladesh, which ban pornography in general, are factories of child pornography. The EU hosts plenty of that material, and guess what, it also has banned lolicon. Pornography is illegal in plenty of African countries, and those are also horrible places for women and children to live in, with high rates of sex abuse and female genital mutilation. Japan, being the pioneer of anime and having a low sex abuse rate, does have issues with sexual harassment and sexualization of schoolgirls is normalized there... But it is also normal in South Korea, which has banned pornography. While pornography addiction is a real thing and mainstream pornography does have a shady background, it shows that watching two people having sex does not and will not always cause someone to become a sex offender.

But should there be regulations on these kinds of things? Absolutely. No one needs to explain why drawing porn out of real children or enjoying realistic-styled shotacon/lolicon (such as RapeLay) is messed up. I absolutely get wanting to ban drawn pornography out of raping babies. Lolicon itself even does have a shady background involving real children and using them as references. What worries me is how a lot of loli-lovers are creepy about their own kinks, cannot properly tell fiction from reality, and keep defending stuff like that. Overall, I hope the bill targets pedophiles who make deep fakes or involve real children in their drawn child porn, along with people who are creepy about their fetishes and flaunt their drawings out of 5-year-olds being diddled, not ruin the life of someone who drew Hatsune Miku hentai.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I will say this, one of the few things in order to not be shit flinging: when people consider things akin to "speech", "liberty to express your thoughts", and the union of both, especially in a time such as the ideas of the Enlightenment (let's consider Freemasonry and discrete societies here) - what comes to mind? At best, the Founding Fathers had respect for the Christian God, at worst, you had Thomas Paine who was a Theist. Most societies back then were basically "leisure clubs of men who wanted to study the secrets of the world", I'm willing to give that credit.

Very well. Does anyone here believe, when they said a WHITE MAN OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER (back in 1787) that they were thinking of men who would talk about:
"I want to murder members and the rulers of this country";
"I want to make use of opiates and be a nuisance to others";
"I want to be a creep and follow children where I go (and get shot by their father, lol)."

If one believes this, I don't know what to say. It is true, with technology and its advancements, things changed. Some for the better, others for the worse - much worse. What many see as a model "America", the Atomic Age still had the mafia as an issue, dope, gambling. Yet you definitely did not have issues with pornography, which exploded by the 1970s, which had to be ratified by 1977 (I believe), which was a restriction in """freedom of speech"""(???), which made illegal to produce CSAM. Then comes the argument Apples != Oranges. Pixels are not people.

Pixels do condition people. I don't think things are so simple. And find very strange members to think this is a "very serious thing for others to go ahead and think this must be a question of life and death for the freedom we still have." This reminds me of what happened in Gab, where (((Andrew Torba))), as a Jew as he is, did the right thing and cut off pornography from his website. People claimed it was speech, it was fucking "stupid", what have you - yet it was his call. Whatever. It was a good choice. Still, Gab sucks.

I urge people to consider this points as I gave a "thought" to the concerns of restriction of free speech. And please give Null a rest. He must be tired of this.