Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[AnOminous]

This case going to trial would be a biblical scale disaster for Dildo Saggins.

And an absurdly huge waste of money for the Farms. It would benefit literally nobody and probably cost more than even Russ totally winning.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

We can donate as much as we need to win. Remember at the end of all this, Hardin is gonna get awarded costs. Sure, Russ may not have the 50+ grand Hardin has probably run up so far, but unlike most of the people who mess with us, he has a job, so every single paycheck he'll ever have will get money taken out of it, reminding of him for it for the rest of his life.

 

[Oliver Onions]

They went after Ralph in Mexico

Ralph is still an American citizen though, no? Don't tell me he renounced his citizenship in a xannie-fuelled manic episode and I missed it...

 

[Jotch]

Ralph is still an American citizen though, no? Don't tell me he renounced his citizenship in a xannie-fuelled manic episode and I missed it...

he renounced his citizenship to any and all nations, including his humanity when he had the demon baby

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Remember at the end of all this, Hardin is gonna get awarded costs.

That's not how things work in burgeristan. The judge seems determined to force this case to trial so that Russ’ case is considered on its nonexistent merits, and when that happens the defendant is NOT typically awarded attorney's fees. He might be awarded filing costs or something, which would be enough to bankrupt Russ but nowhere near enough to make Null whole even if Russ did pay up.
The sooner this case is disposed of the better. There will be no recouping costs.

 

[LurchinUrchin]

Hardin is gonna get awarded costs.

Hardin is getting awarded costs related to one motion/sanction at the end of this, offset by Greer's $250, for what is currently a grand total of $750.

 

[Marvin]

nothing

nothing

On the Jewish holiday of Purim, we are supposed to get liquored up until we cannot tell the difference between blessed be Null and cursed be Ratface.

I think this is exemplary of the holiday.

 

[ShinyStar]

I know this is going against the popular zeitgeist of the thread, but I think all the posters repeating the mantra of, "the judge is on a death march to trial," are hyperbolic emo retards who aren't actually paying attention to what the judge has been saying. Back in the fall when there were all those motions Hardin made that got denied, where Hardin was saying, "This should get thrown out, that should get thrown out, the case should get thrown out," the judges rational for denying the motions was mostly along the lines of, "This isn't the time to be making that motion." The judge wasn't banging his gavel and screaming, "I want a trial!" He was saying, "I would like this case to behave like a proper case."

You can see this explicitly stated in the hearing on discovery, where Hardin was saying, "I need all this extra leeway, because I anticipate the plaintiff is going to pull shenanigans and I'll have to deal with that," and the judge said, "Let's all assume that everyone is going to behave themselves and follow the rules, and we're only going to account for shenanigans if they actually happen. I have lovely rulebook, and even a video to watch, so everyone should be fully able to follow my rules and this should all proceed smoothly."

Now that the judge has called for a new hearing, I think he's very frustrated that all his attempts to make this function like a real case have failed and his docket is cluttered with shenanigan upon shenanigan and he's determined to get everything straightened out. I hope Hardin has a very clear explanation for why he asked for impermissible discovery on discovery, because (while we understand it is in response to Russell apparently deleting evidence in the middle of a court case) he wasn't handling the issue according to the rules, and lawyers are held to a higher standard there than self-representing retards. Either way, I anticipate that the judge is going to hammer on the subject of everyone following the rules, and Russ' discovery games aren't going to bode well for him. I hope Russ is going to be able to show the court that he has taken steps to serve the new defendants to the lawsuit, and that he hasn't simply tacked on a few more parties with no actual plan for how to get them served, because adding new parties with no intention of following through on the work that entails is a pretty big shenanigan, and I don't imagine the judge will appreciate it.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

I agree.

The Magistrate's eagerness to get it to trial was because he rightly recognised that the case has dragged on long enough already and naturally assumed that the Plaintiff might want a conclusion to the shit he's crying about.

He tried the nicely nicely approach to get Russtard on board with the required procedural matters, but that has proven ineffective.

There has been 1 sanction, with more potentially on the table and he has explicitly dangled the "case-ending" Sword of Damocles. Even the reduction in the fee award to Hardin was not his doing, he was overruled before he even made a determination.

I don't think it's his view that this must go to trial at all costs. Just that he expects the parties to reasonably advance the case to get it there. Rusty is famously unreasonable, however. Now we're here.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I still think the Judge is hoping if he puts it off long enough they'll settle

The Judge doesn't know Null or Russ, so he must be so confused why a small website is spending years and tens of thousands of dollars to argue over copyrights worth a grand total of $50, instead of just making it all go away.

Maybe that's why Hardin filed as exhibits Russ's "extortionary settlement demands" like paying his probono lawyers fees and removing all discussion of him forever, and his reply that the defendants don't wish to settle but recoup costs. Hardin's letting the Judge know too so he can stop expecting to put it off until one day the docket says "SETTLED OUT"

 

[AnOminous]

We can donate as much as we need to win. Remember at the end of all this, Hardin is gonna get awarded costs.

Costs are meaningless. A few hundred bucks maybe. It's merely possible he gets fees, and the likelihood of that may have been nuked by the idiotic Tenth Circuit decision.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I hope Hardin has a very clear explanation for why he asked for impermissible discovery on discovery

I want him to answer "I sincerely believed I was doing the right thing and I'm trying my best", but I suspect the judge wouldn't see the humor in it.

 

[Dyn]

I want him to answer "I sincerely believed I was doing the right thing and I'm trying my best", but I suspect the judge wouldn't see the humor in it.

Without having read any of the discovery procedures offered to him, Hardin assumed that he was asking for a blanket discovery. Therefore, Greer has breached discovery by not acting like a neutral third party and just handing it over before the judge ruled on it, and should be sanctioned.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Thomas "Flufferboy" Binger

I knew Brennan - the new hired gun prosecutor (even though their office has quite a few prosecutors) for the Karen Read case - reminded me of someone and this is it.
He could be his identical twin. They both have the exact same voice, mannerisms, and MO.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Uh Hardin would love to take this shit to trial. It's Greer that's playing games.

Greer is playing games but he's incompetent enough that it's obvious. The illegitimate delays are all his. The legitimate, procedural ones are not all on him (including some that are pending). They have good explanations behind them and are legally defensible. That's the advantage of legal counsel that knows what they're doing.

There's an echo chamber nature of this thread when it comes to the merits of the underlying copyright case that I disagree with, particularly in the case of the item hosted and fair use as applied in the courts (not how it should work). Since we don't know what could help greer, there's no sense trying to get into that. But if the options are to actually go to trial in a US court based on copyright (in other words, a place naturally friendly to the plaintiff) or to string along russ until he dies or is blown out of the water by technicalities and fees, I don't see why someone wouldn't pick the latter if they can.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Still think Hardin should start citing passages from the book, not just it's title. It contains some of the duplicate damages Hardin wants to see, like Taylor Swift sending him the dirtbag
Especially of interest I think would be Russell's belief that he reserves the right to ignore judges and just zone out what they're saying if he disagrees with it

 

[lol cow supreme]

Still think Hardin should start citing passages from the book, not just it's title. It contains some of the duplicate damages Hardin wants to see, like Taylor Swift sending him the dirtbagView attachment 7101066
Especially of interest I think would be Russell's belief that he reserves the right to ignore judges and just zone out what they're saying if he disagrees with it
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you know he's going to dmca you/this right? And use it as proof the farms is totally hosting his book!

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

Ralph is still an American citizen though, no? Don't tell me he renounced his citizenship in a xannie-fuelled manic episode and I missed it...

He has resident card in Mexico, so I assume he still has citizenship. I am not technically versed in the details of American extradition back to their home country for crimes, but the fact that a judge would bother to put out a nation-wide warrant that promises to pay for the transport of the suspect back to their jurisdiction tells me the the judge may just be petty enough to issue a warrant for unlawful recording.

Not worth it to break the law--even for foreign nationals.

 

[Welfare Bum]

Still think Hardin should start citing passages from the book, not just it's title.

Unless Null directly points passages of interest to Hardin, I don't think it would be worth it. Having Hardin read the book to find anything he could use would rack up billable hours, and probably put Null $2,000 or more in the hole as a result for something that likely wouldn't change anything.

 

[a hapless toad]

Unless Null directly points passages of interest to Hardin, I don't think it would be worth it. Having Hardin read the book to find anything he could use would rack up billable hours, and probably put Null $2,000 or more in the hole as a result for something that likely wouldn't change anything.

I would be willing to bet Hardin has already read it for his own amusement.

(And if he hasn't, he should... it's hilarious.)