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While I'm sure this will be immediately challenged it will be funny as fuck to see the sperg out, even tons of democrats thought the pardons where a shit move but of course they'll now have to flip to curse that evil drumf.
I don't see the point, honestly. This will get thrown out almost immediately and for what? To piss people off? Okay I guess. I personally think it would be smarter to find any crimes committed after the pardons or that could be argued were not covered by the pardons. I imagine there's probably quite a bit that could be found on Hunter that he wasn't pardoned for.
All biden needs to do is say " I totes approved that...i said the line where's my ice cream?" and it's over. Even if you biden gets a signed doctors note saying hes mentally incompetent there's no way to legally prove he was when he issued the pardon
Correct. Same issue with Iran-Contra. Iran-Contra was ran exclusively by HW Bush when Reagan was suffering from dementia, but it couldn't be proven.
He already disregarded that one judge who told him to turn around the deportation planes full of gangsters. Trump is ready to go on the offensive. They teased it a few weeks back and I guess Trump's team has a plan of attack.
Yeah this is a bigger deal though. This deals with hard coded Article II powers.
Trump's team seem certain that Biden didn't know about them. If they have communication between staffers taking the initiative then it would be a lot tougher to overturn than Biden saying "Sure, why not" after the fact.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that they have Nixon-esque tapes. That would be pretty wild.
If he really wanted to get revenge, he could ilegally order somebody to murder the victim and then pardon him but that'd probably scare shitless even his own cabinet.
There's a novel where this happens. The president sets up camps where political dissidents are safe from instantly pardoned murders.
 
Trump signs like 99% of his EO's on camera anyways so the "pendulum swing" shit is a meme argument. Pretty clear Biden has no idea some of the pardons got signed like the guy who murdered cops or the one who killed kids.

Pardons don't protect people from the process of being investigated anyways only the result so they can still be dragged before the courts and forced to answer questions under oath that could implicate them in other ways.

The entire idea of "risky" territory and whatever is so funny to me, they have tried to kill him openly multiple times and he has been through every sort of circus judicial procedure you can imagine same for his family.

Do I think something big happens from this? No because they literally said day 1 they were going to investigate all of the pardoned people anyways and drag them but the MSM will melt the fuck down really hard about this. Biden could've easily had 1 pardon naming every single person he wanted to full pardon and sign that but they decided to do 6 million autopen signings for reasons.
you literally can't be forced to answer questions that will 'implicate' you.
 
Like him being a toothless crack addict who lived off of his dad's trust fund was based?
Your telling me it isn't? Well I bet Nick Rekieta would beg to differ.
Trump uses this to start the lawsuit, but then brings up the argument that Joe was demented and uses the case to prove he has cognitive issues. If that could be proved, that seemingly would be a stronger case for his pardons being null and void.
Joe's dementia isn't going to be an issue because there were several checks and ballances that were supposed to trigger if he is unfit for office and those in charge of triggering it thought he was fit for service. As long as he was in the driver seat he has power, no ifs, ands, or buts. The issue here is staffers taking it upon themselves to issue pardons without his knowing, approval, and signature.
 
If he really wanted to get revenge, he could ilegally order somebody to murder the victim and then pardon him but that'd probably scare shitless even his own cabinet.
Trump making good on his boast about being able to shoot any random person on the streets of new york and get away with it would make this the presidency of the century, holy shit.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
This 100%. Right now the whole thing is about empowering the executive to its afforded power. Fucking with executive privilege in this moment does nothing for what's coming re: the judiciary.
 
You literally can't plead the 5th when you are pardoned brother you have to give an actual answer. Why do you think Hunter is in South Africa right now?
Incorrect, you still can if you think it would incriminate you for something you aren't pardoned for.

Furthermore, are they pardoned still or not? wooooo!?!? If they have good reason to think they're not? 5a rights lmao.
 
Incorrect, you still can if you think it would incriminate you for something you aren't pardoned for.

Furthermore, are they pardoned still or not? wooooo!?!? If they have good reason to think they're not? 5a rights lmao.
The pardons are sweeping for almost a decade for specific people like Liz Cheney so if it's ruled she still is pardoned she would be forced to answer yes.

You're not allowed to reverse a presidential pardon lmao.
Then I guess they will be answering the questions.
 
I'm not a Trump fan but I find his presidency part 2 fascinating so far. If anything, I'm appreciating how far laws and standards are being pushed and proded. It's a good stress test and can help solidify more laws, for or against this administration's goals. I see it as a good thing if just to try and strenghten laws or redefine them to fit better to modern times. I'm sure we're going to get some crappy interpretations too.
 
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