US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[GamerGateSurvivor]

Sure, but, devil's advocate; how do you prove without a doubt he didn't know? As hilarious as this is, it's a question I've been having to ask since the whole autopen debacle came up.

Two examples I can think of is the DOJ finding Biden incompetent to stand trial for his handling of classified data and the Wallstreet Journal publishing an article stating that his staffers were effectively making most of the decisions in the Administration.

It could very well be argued that Biden didn't know what he was signing on account of him being a senile child sniffing pedophile. The question is, how do you prove which aide/crack addicted son put those pardons in front of him?

 

[Potion_Time]

And they said Trump wouldn't go after the traitors.

 

[Terrifik]

If it's so forgone then it can withstand this scrutiny and Trump can use it to pardon his administration as well.

Legality is the question.
As you open this pandora box of question it only gets worst.
Best way stop this question is rule the pardon absolute & ignore everything else.
If Trump gets digital pen access welp hold your ass .(technology meme for saying it's ok( leads to ai))

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

Sure, but, devil's advocate; how do you prove without a doubt he didn't know? As hilarious as this is, it's a question I've been having to ask since the whole autopen debacle came up.

There are Biden staffers who are saying that other staffers were autopenning without even contacting Biden. It's a combination of that and Biden's brain being mush.
In any case "prove without a doubt" isn't a legal standard. This will either get to the Supreme Court or it won't, but they won't decide it on the basis of absolute proof if it does.

Trump has been very clear about autopen use policy (only for cases that don't involve presidential powers or for signing multiple copies of something he already signed) and signing everything in front of witnesses. Presumably this is both to contrast with what Biden staffers did and to make his own actions safe from similar objections.

 

[William Tyndale]

Prediction: It will come out that Ketanji Brown was autopenned into the Supreme Court and when her case gets brought before the court (and she’s forced to recuse) all of the other justices will be so tired of listening to her say “DAS RITE” that they will vote to kick her out. The ensuing chimp out will be better than any Burger King video.

Edit: Trump is a master marketer. He announced this on Sunday night so it would blow up the headlines Monday morning. Pure Genius.

 

[Bill Ding]

Based retard.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

Sure, but, devil's advocate; how do you prove without a doubt he didn't know? As hilarious as this is, it's a question I've been having to ask since the whole autopen debacle came up.

I'd assume they have witnesses on that. Trump must feel pretty confident if he's making such a bold move.
They could further subpoena Biden on that. I don't think his mental faculties would hold up all that well on the witness stand.
Present him with every single pardon he supposedly signed, and mix in a bunch of fakes that he definitely did not sign.
If he claims to have signed them all, he's lying. If he can't recall, that also speaks against him.

 

[Neil]

The absolute funniest part of all this shit is how none of you are even questioning why Trump isn't prosecuting Biden for supposedly rigging the 2020 election. The guy is still alive and kicking, unpardoned, he's at Trump's every legal whim, yet Trump doesn't seem to want to dole out any punishment towards him.

Weird, huh? He's had access to the government's backend since January 20th, you'd think he'd somehow find evidence of all the fraud, right? Hell, back in 2020 he had access to the government's backend both before and after the election, you'd think he'd have already done it, right?

It's almost like Trump knows he lost fair and square, and there'd be no case to actually fight in court. It's almost like this is bullshit smoke and mirrors to keep Fox News fed and their viewers entertained with news about Trump doing things, doesn't matter if they aren't actually improving material conditions for them in the slightest, as long as he's taking culture war victories, that's all that matters.

 

[Dread First]

The absolute funniest part of all this shit is how none of you are even questioning why Trump isn't prosecuting Biden for supposedly rigging the 2020 election. The guy is still alive and kicking, unpardoned, he's at Trump's every legal whim, yet Trump doesn't seem to want to dole out any punishment towards him.

Weird, huh? He's had access to the government's backend since January 20th, you'd think he'd somehow find evidence of all the fraud, right? Hell, back in 2020 he had access to the government's backend both before and after the election, you'd think he'd have already done it, right?

It's almost like Trump knows he lost fair and square, and there'd be no case to actually fight in court. It's almost like this is bullshit smoke and mirrors to keep Fox News fed and their viewers entertained with news about Trump doing things, doesn't matter if they aren't actually improving material conditions for them in the slightest, as long as he's taking culture war victories, that's all that matters.

Nothing short of a SCOTUS ruling would make Donald Trump back down from this, and even then, an unfavourable SCOTUS verdict would probably lead to Trump invoking the precedent set by Andrew Jackson flouting the SCOTUS verdict on Worcester v. Georgia. I'd say that we're in a similar bind that Turkey was in when Erdogan consolidated considerable power in the presidency while deliberately weakening the courts, but honestly? I think we crossed that threshold a long time ago under a previous administration; it's just that Trump was the first madman to be so brazen about it.

I too want to see Fauci, Hunter Biden, et al proverbially guillotined by the DOJ, but holy shit, turnabout is fair play if the Democrats ever get hold of power again. Might not happen any time soon, like within the next 4-8, maybe 12 years, but I'm mildly concerned about the precedent this sets.

 

[drammamean]

I've been really surprised by how seemingly prepared the second Trump admin has been thus far.

They have been very subtly threatening the Supreme Court that if they don't reign in these off the reservation judges, such as Boasberg, that they will challenge the legitimacy of the court. The judicial branch is meant to be the weakest of the three, they're not elected after all, so this is a welcome development.

The skeptic in me believed this admin is a clean up job/limited hang out and so everything substantial would quietly disappear, such as the blackmail generated by Epstein and confiscated by the FBI, but I'm secretly hopeful these things have been held back for leverage until the time is right.

It's certainly obvious that things have changed in the ruling class. Maybe finally some noblesse oblige?

 

[Chongqing]

I mean, he's right. Biden had no cognitive ability to know what he's signing, and most certainly didn't write the pardons himself.

This is righteous.

 

[Professor Donger]

There are Biden staffers who are saying that other staffers were autopenning without even contacting Biden. It's a combination of that and Biden's brain being mush.
In any case "prove without a doubt" isn't a legal standard. This will either get to the Supreme Court or it won't, but they won't decide it on the basis of absolute proof if it does.

Trump has been very clear about autopen use policy (only for cases that don't involve presidential powers or for signing multiple copies of something he already signed) and signing everything in front of witnesses. Presumably this is both to contrast with what Biden staffers did and to make his own actions safe from similar objections.

I don't wanna sound like a leftist faggot but do you have any sources for this? specifically so I can use those sources against leftist faggots?

 

[verissimus]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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This week is already off to a great start.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Trump has been very clear about autopen use policy (only for cases that don't involve presidential powers or for signing multiple copies of something he already signed) and signing everything in front of witnesses. Presumably this is both to contrast with what Biden staffers did and to make his own actions safe from similar objections.

People who underestimate Trump's savvy are fools.

He already disregarded that one judge who told him to turn around the deportation planes full of gangsters. Trump is ready to go on the offensive. They teased it a few weeks back and I guess Trump's team has a plan of attack.

Him and what army? The bureaucracy and government are loyal to the uniparty at best.

While Bush Senior was president, he had authorized the construction of the largest hadron collider in the world. With it wrapped around the Dallas-Ft Worth metroplex. But one of the first things Clinton as POTUS had done was to shitcanned the whole thing and backed the Euros in building the hadron collider in Switzerland.

Everyone praising Clinton as some kind of pragmatic Democrat didn't live through the era. That rat bastard sold us out to the EU and China every chance he got, and turned the diplomatic opportunity of a millennium, the dissolution of the USSR, into nothing more than a cash grab for himself and his buddies. He was a piece of shit, through and through, and is fondly remembered solely because falling interest rates and the dot-com boom fueled a period of economic good times.

He was lucky the overtly worse Dubya Bush succeeded him.

Because the NGOs and various intelligence organizations utilize AI to blast their propaganda 24/7. By using animals in their names these organizations believe it makes the account seem human.

Why are the vast majority of idiots that try to come on this thread to troll/be heavily affected by TDS have animals in their names? It’s just something I’m starting to notice between the Chimp Guy, the gerbil guy, and now the Lemur guy.

Because chimps don't like orangutans. Loud stupid walking carpets

 

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Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction

The PRESIDENT can use an electric pen to sign something. His STAFF cannot use an electric pen with the President's signature to sign something, not even if it's something Biden would agree with, or retroactively approve, or even if he directed them to do it. BIDEN has to sign things, even with the autopen. If anyone else was using that device to sign things with his name, it's void and we're firmly in constitutional crisis territory. The accusation is that throughout Biden's presidency the latter happened.

My theory: Trump wouldn't be crossing this rubicon without some hard evidence that it happened. And if he does have that evidence, all hell is going to break loose. We all know Biden has been potato brained for years, if Trump has evidence that the theater kids running his admin -- or his wife, or his chief of staff, or Kamala, or... -- decided to just do shit without even pretending to involve him, then that firmly places us in bold new clusterfuck territory.

Biden could just come out and say "Nope, I did it Jack" and that would be that. However, maybe he's not feeling so inclined to help after the primary coup. It would be so fucking hilarious if these guys got hoisted by their own retard

Imagine if he comes out and gives an answer akin to "sometimes they ran the machine for me to sign stuff while I was busy" or "sometimes they used the machine to sign stuff, but I always approved it afterwards." Both would be "safe" answers that would nonetheless be a huge, huge problem, because again, Biden can sign things, his Staff cannot, even with an autopen.

As an aside:



You can tell this caused some "oh shit" tier response because some old, unused accounts came out to AKSHUALLY at us. This week is going to be glorious.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

The absolute funniest part of all this shit is how none of you are even questioning why Trump isn't prosecuting Biden for supposedly rigging the 2020 election. The guy is still alive and kicking, unpardoned, he's at Trump's every legal whim, yet Trump doesn't seem to want to dole out any punishment towards him.

Why would he prosecute a dementia patient incapable of even signing his name for some grand conspiracy.

 

[Neil]

I'd assume they have witnesses on that. Trump must feel pretty confident if he's making such a bold move.

He was pretty confident that tariffs would fix the economy, until he wasn't, and delayed them by a month. Now he's confident again, but he removed them from Mexico and a few other countries. The economy is currently in freefall.

turnabout is fair play if the Democrats ever get hold of power again

This thread keeps forgetting that Trump is the "popular" one, not the GOP. As long as the mascot president is on the ballot, they have a chance at winning. Finding a charismatic enough replacement is a taller task than you think it might be, unless they go full retard and try to pass that one Republican senator's bill allowing him to run for a third term.

The pendulum is going to swing like it always has, especially if the economy keeps going the way it's going and people keep losing their jobs/funding as a result of DOGE.

I don't wanna sound like a leftist faggot but do you have any actual proof of your claims? Only a leftist faggot would ask for proof instead of just swallowing nice sounding lies wholesale!

What an odd statement!

 

[Justin Igger]

If you actually think anything will come of this, I have two very nice skyscrapers in Lower Manhattan to sell you for a very reasonable price.

It doesn’t fucking matter. It’s called political capital, Trump got enough wins in a row, he built up his capital, now he’s spending it, and you and all your short ass monkey nigger friends are on the run.

 

[Neil]

Why would he prosecute a dementia patient incapable of even signing his name for some grand conspiracy.

He was physically capable of running the Presidency for a full 4 years, I don't see why not.

 

[Chongqing]

I don't wanna sound like a leftist faggot but do you have any sources for this? specifically so I can use those sources against leftist faggots?

I'd say, if anyone goes up to Biden and asks him who he pardoned and why, and he gives the same response as to why he banned natural gas exports ("I didn't do that!") then that will basically prove Trump correct immediately and the left will be fucked for years.