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My theory: Trump wouldn't be crossing this rubicon without some hard evidence that it happened. And if he does have that evidence, all hell is going to break loose. We all know Biden has been potato brained for years, if Trump has evidence that the theater kids running his admin -- or his wife, or his chief of staff, or Kamala, or... -- decided to just do shit without even pretending to involve him, then that firmly places us in bold new clusterfuck territory.
Please God let this happen. Please let Trump be so turbo pissed off at Biden and his faggot crew that he does this.
This shit is not something that will blow over and be forgotten in just a week when next shiny thing comes by.

Woodrow fucking Wilson was a constitutional crisis of biblical proportions. And people still talk about it a hundred years later.
Please trump, burn Biden and his legacy down.
This shit has potential to be biblical and funny as hell.

Burn down Bidens legacy. Burn down all bridges.
 
This is a weird precedent to try and set. Really would just take Biden coming out with a statement saying "yes I did pardon them as I expected Trump to launch politicized investigations into them". Is that the goal then? Hoping for Biden to do a media tour touting how he set to protect people from Trump?
You're looking at things through the lens of how they used to be done. We are no longer in those times. The enemy has to be finished off or else a lot of good people are fucked. The Jan 6th prisoners will look like a slumber party if these people aren't completely removed and ever take power again.

With Bolsheviks, communists, Marxists or whatever else you want to call them it is never over.
 
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Spending it on fucking what? More culture wars that ultimately lead to nothing changing? Ideally, political capital would be "spent" on trying to achieve campaign goals like lowering the price of groceries, gas and other necessities.
He did all that already, nigger, now he’s going after the traitors.

Run, nigger.
 
The pendulum is going to swing like it always has, especially if the economy keeps going the way it's going and people keep losing their jobs/funding as a result of DOGE.

Uh... Alien Jesus Laptop Murderer, you forget that I voted for Trump specifically because I disdain the bloated federal bureaucracy under the Executive Branch. The bloated executive branch was a problem that became a talking point as early as the 1880s, with it exploding under FDR's tenure. Even past Republicans who ran on platforms of smaller government like Reagan did jack shit to cut it down to size. Clinton "legally" cut jobs from the bureaucracy under the executive branch, but he didn't get to the root of the problem.

As heartless as it sounds: I'm not particularly concerned about career bureaucrats losing their jobs because the gravy train stopped running once and for all. The judiciary's unelected, yet the judiciary serves a vital purpose in keeping other branches of the government in check (though I will admit that power's being put to the test with the current administration). The executive branch was meant to enforce laws that Congress passed, yet it ballooned into an all-encompassing bureaucratic mess that stalls out meaningful progress in the very things those departments were meant to address. It has, in essence, become a fourth branch of government theoretically accountable to the president but in practice, accountable to no one. DOGE is not some new department devised by the president, it's a rebrand of the United States Digital Service that Obama created, and the quirks of its creation are being leveraged by the current president.

We're still in early days of the second Trump administration, so jury's out on whether or not these shocks will manifest into anything long-term. I'm more concerned with tariffs being a double-edged sword, but recent near-shoring efforts by large companies since Trump won in November last year do seem promising. I'm certainly optimistic, though I do have pause for thought. Feel free to mock me or disagree or whatever. It's clear you've made up your mind about how the future will play out.
 
You're looking at things through the lens of how they used to be done. We are no longer in those times. The enemy has to be finished off or else a lot of good people are tucked. The Jan 6th prisoners will look like a slumber party if these people aren't completely removed and ever take power again.
Trying to nullify the pardon by saying Biden wasn't really behind it only works if Biden isn't willing to stand by the pardons he signed off on.

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.
 
You guys remember that weird period when the Hunter Biden shit came out when liberals and leftists online were trying to pretend Hunter was actually really cool? Like him being a toothless crack addict who lived off of his dad's trust fund was based? That shit was gay
Sure was interesting to see so many "feminists" saying it was cool that he was fucking human trafficked sex slaves and saying how we're just jealous and all of us would be doing it if we could
 
Trying to nullify the pardon by saying Biden wasn't really behind it only works if Biden isn't willing to stand by the pardons he signed off on.

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.
Who decides what is legal?

You’re trying to smooth things over with ultimately meaningless words when the nigger is getting ready to cold cock you.

You need to figure out what time it is, brother.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
I don't think Trump would make an announcement this bold without legal leverage. Even if Biden did personally sign those pardon documents, you could make the argument that he was senile and not of sound mind when he did so. He's either a complete retard blowing smoke out of his ass or he has a genuine casus belli to go nuclear on false pardon recipients.

I thought it was strange for Biden to only pardon Hunter at first, then suddenly pardon a whole slew of people who basically mean nothing to him personally like a week after. That behavior is consistent of someone not at their own steering wheel.
 
Uh... Alien Jesus Laptop Murderer, you forget that I voted for Trump specifically because I disdain the bloated federal bureaucracy under the Executive Branch. The bloated executive branch was a problem that became a talking point as early as the 1880s, with it exploding under FDR's tenure. Even past Republicans who ran on platforms of smaller government like Reagan did jack shit to cut it down to size. Clinton "legally" cut jobs from the bureaucracy under the executive branch, but he didn't get to the root of the problem.

As heartless as it sounds: I'm not particularly concerned about career bureaucrats losing their jobs because the gravy train stopped running once and for all. The judiciary's unelected, yet the judiciary serves a vital purpose in keeping other branches of the government in check (though I will admit that power's being put to the test with the current administration). The executive branch was meant to enforce laws that Congress passed, yet it ballooned into an all-encompassing bureaucratic mess that stalls out meaningful progress in the very things those departments were meant to address. It has, in essence, become a fourth branch of government theoretically accountable to the president but in practice, accountable to no one. DOGE is not some new department devised by the president, it's a rebrand of the United States Digital Service that Obama created, and the quirks of its creation are being leveraged by the current president.

We're still in early days of the second Trump administration, so jury's out on whether or not these shocks will manifest into anything long-term. I'm more concerned with tariffs being a double-edged sword, but recent near-shoring efforts by large companies since Trump won in November last year do seem promising. I'm certainly optimistic, though I do have pause for thought. Feel free to mock me or disagree or whatever. It's clear you've made up your mind about how the future will play out
On paper, the idea of reducing bloat from the federal government is something everyone could agree on, left or right. The problem is that DOGE is doing it in the most retarded way imaginable, focusing on blindly cutting headcounts rather than actually delving deep into the actual mechanisms behind certain government organizations and optimizing them from there.

For DOGE to actually be effective, their actions would actually require time and thought to be put into their cuts, but ultimately what they've amounted to is a spectacle to make people think that Trump has actually done anything of benefit. He's not mass firing any of the spooky evil glow-in-the-dark CIA/FBI agents that people imagine do all of the government's work, he's firing the fucking 40something year old nature enthusiast park rangers keeping families from getting stranded in the wilderness in the hopes of privatizing as much of the American experience as possible.

The "Gravy Train" hasn't ended, it's flowing straight up to the top 1% as it always has. Elon and Trump just have Fox News to convince people that the cuts are in their benefit.
 
Did everyone already forget the "Biden isn't running" fiasco? They stopped even pretending he was President for like the last 5 months of his term!
Remember a few days before Trump took office Speaker Johnson said he had a conversation with President Biden about why he signed an executive order that froze new LNG permits to Europe. Biden said he never did that, Speaker Johnson told him he had the executive order showing he did, and Biden started to get angry and said he never signed it.
 
Who decides what is legal?
Based on that social media post, his argument is Biden didn't really do the pardon himself. To counter that, Biden would need to say "yeah I did".

I'm not sure how much Trump's people can go "nuh uh" towards Biden and whoever was working for him attesting to that and I doubt even the Supreme Court would respect Trump doing that.
 
Based on that social media post, his argument is Biden didn't really do the pardon himself. To counter that, Biden would need to say "yeah I did".

I'm not sure how much Trump's people can go "nuh uh" towards Biden and whoever was working for him attesting to that and I doubt even the Supreme Court would respect Trump doing that.
It might be simply Trump throwing this out there to get Democrats chasing their tails. They just tried to stop rapists, murderers, and violent thugs from being deported and have them brought back into our country using some insane judge, maybe Trump is throwing this out there to get some right wing judge to rule in his favor to give Democrats a taste of their own medicine.
 
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