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Trying to nullify the pardon by saying Biden wasn't really behind it only works if Biden isn't willing to stand by the pardons he signed off on.

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.
Who decides what is legal?

You’re trying to smooth things over with ultimately meaningless words when the nigger is getting ready to cold cock you.

You need to figure out what time it is, brother.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
I don't think Trump would make an announcement this bold without legal leverage. Even if Biden did personally sign those pardon documents, you could make the argument that he was senile and not of sound mind when he did so. He's either a complete retard blowing smoke out of his ass or he has a genuine casus belli to go nuclear on false pardon recipients.

I thought it was strange for Biden to only pardon Hunter at first, then suddenly pardon a whole slew of people who basically mean nothing to him personally like a week after. That behavior is consistent of someone not at their own steering wheel.
 
Uh... Alien Jesus Laptop Murderer, you forget that I voted for Trump specifically because I disdain the bloated federal bureaucracy under the Executive Branch. The bloated executive branch was a problem that became a talking point as early as the 1880s, with it exploding under FDR's tenure. Even past Republicans who ran on platforms of smaller government like Reagan did jack shit to cut it down to size. Clinton "legally" cut jobs from the bureaucracy under the executive branch, but he didn't get to the root of the problem.

As heartless as it sounds: I'm not particularly concerned about career bureaucrats losing their jobs because the gravy train stopped running once and for all. The judiciary's unelected, yet the judiciary serves a vital purpose in keeping other branches of the government in check (though I will admit that power's being put to the test with the current administration). The executive branch was meant to enforce laws that Congress passed, yet it ballooned into an all-encompassing bureaucratic mess that stalls out meaningful progress in the very things those departments were meant to address. It has, in essence, become a fourth branch of government theoretically accountable to the president but in practice, accountable to no one. DOGE is not some new department devised by the president, it's a rebrand of the United States Digital Service that Obama created, and the quirks of its creation are being leveraged by the current president.

We're still in early days of the second Trump administration, so jury's out on whether or not these shocks will manifest into anything long-term. I'm more concerned with tariffs being a double-edged sword, but recent near-shoring efforts by large companies since Trump won in November last year do seem promising. I'm certainly optimistic, though I do have pause for thought. Feel free to mock me or disagree or whatever. It's clear you've made up your mind about how the future will play out
On paper, the idea of reducing bloat from the federal government is something everyone could agree on, left or right. The problem is that DOGE is doing it in the most retarded way imaginable, focusing on blindly cutting headcounts rather than actually delving deep into the actual mechanisms behind certain government organizations and optimizing them from there.

For DOGE to actually be effective, their actions would actually require time and thought to be put into their cuts, but ultimately what they've amounted to is a spectacle to make people think that Trump has actually done anything of benefit. He's not mass firing any of the spooky evil glow-in-the-dark CIA/FBI agents that people imagine do all of the government's work, he's firing the fucking 40something year old nature enthusiast park rangers keeping families from getting stranded in the wilderness in the hopes of privatizing as much of the American experience as possible.

The "Gravy Train" hasn't ended, it's flowing straight up to the top 1% as it always has. Elon and Trump just have Fox News to convince people that the cuts are in their benefit.
 
Did everyone already forget the "Biden isn't running" fiasco? They stopped even pretending he was President for like the last 5 months of his term!
Remember a few days before Trump took office Speaker Johnson said he had a conversation with President Biden about why he signed an executive order that froze new LNG permits to Europe. Biden said he never did that, Speaker Johnson told him he had the executive order showing he did, and Biden started to get angry and said he never signed it.
 
Who decides what is legal?
Based on that social media post, his argument is Biden didn't really do the pardon himself. To counter that, Biden would need to say "yeah I did".

I'm not sure how much Trump's people can go "nuh uh" towards Biden and whoever was working for him attesting to that and I doubt even the Supreme Court would respect Trump doing that.
 
Based on that social media post, his argument is Biden didn't really do the pardon himself. To counter that, Biden would need to say "yeah I did".

I'm not sure how much Trump's people can go "nuh uh" towards Biden and whoever was working for him attesting to that and I doubt even the Supreme Court would respect Trump doing that.
It might be simply Trump throwing this out there to get Democrats chasing their tails. They just tried to stop rapists, murderers, and violent thugs from being deported and have them brought back into our country using some insane judge, maybe Trump is throwing this out there to get some right wing judge to rule in his favor to give Democrats a taste of their own medicine.
 
There are Biden staffers who are saying that other staffers were autopenning without even contacting Biden. It's a combination of that and Biden's brain being mush.
In any case "prove without a doubt" isn't a legal standard. This will either get to the Supreme Court or it won't, but they won't decide it on the basis of absolute proof if it does.

Trump has been very clear about autopen use policy (only for cases that don't involve presidential powers or for signing multiple copies of something he already signed) and signing everything in front of witnesses. Presumably this is both to contrast with what Biden staffers did and to make his own actions safe from similar objections.

It's a bluff to test the constitutionality of autopenning. The reality is that the pardons will almost certainly stay, because even if they decide that autopenning is only for extreme cases (like the President being physically unable to do it), it's all ex post facto anyway.

The hope is that Team Biden won't just take the L, admit (or lie) that it was autopenned with Biden's full consent, and no autopen stunts can be done without moving forward, while keeping all autopen orders intact (due to ex post facto laws) and spooking TPTB into deciding that autopens are fully legal so he can pull off his own shenanigans.
 
I just want the truth. I want everyone to know what was done to them, I want all the dark deeds out in the light. For everything; Epstein, Covid, all the nasty grubby deals at home and abroad that have caused so much pain and damage. All of it dragged out into the light. Here in the UK too. If people understand what has been done to them, deliberately, for profit, over the last fifty years they would clean house
And Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
 
Sure, but, devil's advocate; how do you prove without a doubt he didn't know? As hilarious as this is, it's a question I've been having to ask since the whole autopen debacle came up.
Did you miss the four years of Grandpa Biden making an absolute spectacle of himself? And the articles after his presidency officially ended where journalists suddenly saw what we all clearly did during that time?

The light were on, just barely, but there was never anyone home. Anyone that says otherwise is a bold faced liar.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
Trump could argue diminished capacity, the use of an autopen and the idea of a blanket pardon. One of those by themselves wouldn't work, but the three together; add the seriousness of whatever crime they find, and it could get very interesting. The pardon power is absolute, but this isn't even about that really. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out, or Trump is just shitposting.
 
I think the president should have the authority to overturn pardons, with some kind of statute of limitations of course. This would basically kill political last minute pardons.

Those pardons that Biden gave are absolute bullshit. Pardons should only be for a specific crime at a specific time. The president shouldn’t have the authority to give out carte blanche licenses to kill which is how it is now.
 
Spending it on fucking what? More culture wars that ultimately lead to nothing changing? Ideally, political capital would be "spent" on trying to achieve campaign goals like lowering the price of groceries, gas and other necessities.
Trump doesn't care about his campaign issues. His second term is focused on taking revenge on the politicians who betrayed him in 2020. Now, I'm all for two groups of elitist clowns having a tard fight, but it doesn't change the fact that America is dying and neither party is going to do a damn thing about it.

Culture wars are literally what lead to Trump getting elected President of the United States, and to you crying and hyperventilating right now faggot!
Trump didn't run to end the culture war, but to instead ride off its success. I agree with @Neil sentiment. The Culture War is a media-created distraction from important issues.

Right winger gifters have no interest in changing things, they just want to make money off the problem.
 
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