US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Unfathomably based president Trump, ignoring courts and past presidents. Become the orange Hitler you were accused of being

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

Someone could have a temporary injury that stops them from signing things for a while. Like if their dominant arm/wrist/hand got broken in a place where their fingers and thumb had to be immobilised for 6 weeks. But you'd probably want to ensure that everything they signed in whatever way they did, was witnessed, preferably on camera, and it was noted on the document that it was signed by autopen/finger print and who the official witnesses were.

Trump style just works, it's in front of a crowd, and on camera. For a no arms president or similar, "i want this signed, use the autopen" in the same setup would be perfectly fine.

The whole point is that Biden spent 4 years hiding, basically communicated through his advisors, that bitch jill, the nigger press secretary etc. The few time Biden himself talked it was clear the lights were out up there.

 

[GameratePTSD]

Y'all, you can't support this. What if the situation were reversed? Imagine how horrible it would be if Democrats started targeting their political opponents with lawfare.

 

[Dofu]

All they had to do was let Trump play golf with Abe, but instead they pushed the man too far.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Isn't this literally the point of the Vice President's position as well as the 25th Amendment? If the President is incapacitated -- for example, if he's undergoing surgery -- then the Vice President takes control until he's available again.

I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.

 

[neger psykolog]

Someone could have a temporary injury that stops them from signing things for a while. Like if their dominant arm/wrist/hand got broken in a place where their fingers and thumb had to be immobilised for 6 weeks. But you'd probably want to ensure that everything they signed in whatever way they did, was witnessed, preferably on camera, and it was noted on the document that it was signed by autopen/finger print and who the official witnesses were.

If you look at the Wikipedia page for autopen there is an entire section on US presidents using them since ages ago.
I think the only way the autopen argument works is if someone in the administration actually comes out (with receipts) and says Biden wasn't mentally sound or wasn't even aware of his signature being used on things.

I'm guessing though it may be a case of him asking to pardon his own son and being forced or pushed to pardon several other people.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.

 

[Viktor_Suvorov]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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[Dofu]

Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

If the president didn't issue the pardon, but a staff member did without their knowledge. I think that has merit.

 

[Chainsaw Juggler]

Trump's been doing a good job creating the news cycle and keeping his political enemies sputtering in the fumes. Is Milley about to find out what "white rage" is? Maybe call it orange rage?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I'm guessing though it may be a case of him asking to pardon his own son and being forced or pushed to pardon several other people.

The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.

Trump's been doing a good job creating the news cycle and keeping his political enemies sputtering in the fumes. Is Milley about to find out what "white rage" is? Maybe call it orange rage?

Milley should be more worried about the upcoming treason charge.

let a man hope.

 

[Cuckoman]

Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.

Technically I don't think he has undone any pardons.
He is not undoing or cancelling any pardons. The entire premise is that the pardons never happened in the first place.

That is a very important distinction.

 

[Oriental_Wheelchair]

Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction

Feels like that's the end goal. Keep balkanizing US harder and harder.

 

[neger psykolog]

The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.

Yeah but you could also just as easily rationalize it that the administration was worried about their own party pushing back on the pardons because they were excessive or (insert concern here), so they timed them to be on the last day.

And "last day pardons" have happened way before this:

• "In the 18th century, George Washington granted the first high-profile federal pardon to leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion on his final day in office"
• "In the 21st century, Clinton's pardons of 140 people on his last day in office, January 20, 2001, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own half-brother, Roger Clinton, were heavily criticized."

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.

There's nothing that allows pardons to be undone. The question is whether they were pardons in the first place.
If I wiped my ass on a piece of paper and called it a presidential pardon, would that count? No, so there must be some criteria.
This is Trump taking the position that a White House staffer copying the president's signature without his knowledge doesn't count.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I see no way this can bite trump and his followers right in the ass.

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

 

[neger psykolog]

There's nothing that allows pardons to be undone. The question is whether they were pardons in the first place.
If I wiped my ass on a piece of paper and called it a presidential pardon, would that count? No, so there must be some criteria.
This is Trump taking the position that a White House staffer copying the president's signature without his knowledge doesn't count.

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

 

[Ghostse]

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.

Agreed. At best its a waste of time, at worst that is a door I don't want to see opened.
This is hilarious, but at the same time I'd rather move forward. Do a Truth and Reconcilliation council for the COVID fuckers but its time to stop the petty squabbling over what's happened.

No. You can't overturn a pardon.

Trump isn't overturning he is nullifying. He's saying the Pardons weren't issued legitmately.

I bought some property with a friend who was in another country at the time the opportunity presented itself, and he gave me authorization to sign his name on a check for the earnest money. That isn't forgery because it was done at his request and with his foreknowledge. I worked for a small company that had stamps of the owner's signature for endorsing and signing stamps - the bank never blinked because it was all used with the express authorization of the owner.

Trump's argument, and its a valid argument even if we can question if the claim itself is true (or even provable), is that Biden was too senile to know what he was signing and staffers went rogue with the signature stamp signing stuff he never authorized (or was too senile to authorize)
If I just signed my friend's name to his check without checking with him, that's forgery. If the accounts payable lady had used the stamp to sign a check to cash for a christmas bonus that's forgery and fraud.

Time to go after that evil cocksucker Fauci.

I'm not going to lie, the rest of them I don't give a fuck about. I don't even care if Fauci gets off with a slap on the wrist so long as he allocutes completely and fully.

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

Sadly Biden has a case of the "Knows too much dirt on the clintons" to be available for any videotape depositions or mental competency checks. He's currently on a chess retreat with some of the less-popular Russian Military Officers.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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This sets a dangerous precedent, but you know what? Fuck em, couldn't happen to nicer people than democrats.
I will take back all my jokes about Trump being a lame duck president if he can actually imprison Fauci and release all the classified COVID documents. I guess it's too much to ask for a full, unredacted Epstein's list, but this will do.

 

[AnotherPleb]

The timing of this gonna make the leftist shitters FREAK out when they wake up , as we can already see with the retards like Neil and the no pfp socks who decided to come over to seethe.

Here's hoping you guys will post all the salt from leftist media in the thread so I can enjoy it later today

This thread is going to jump 50+ pages today, isn't it?