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Finding out how the Judicial Branch feels about someone accusing the Executive Branch's Minions potentially using the Auto Pen to Forge the President's signature without telling him will be interesting at least.
If Roberts decides to hear it at all. Roberts is batting 0-3 when it comes to anything that will consequentially hurt the Deep State. He's happily voted for everything red as long as it doesn't touch his bank roll masters.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
IOW, can't wait to see what happens after the 2028 elections! I wonder who gets the pardons, and if DOGE will stick around after Trump leaves office for good.
But if the pardons were issued without Biden's knowing or approval then they are pretty much a forgery. The President has the power of pardon, not random staffers with an autopen.
If staffers did go off, I can see how there's something to be looked at.
"I'm totally going to release the Epstein Files!"-style smoke and mirrors to distract from his dumb ass tanking the economy.
Also, hasn't anything that could be considered as part of the "files (Epstein's black book, flight logs for Epstein's private plane) already been made public?
The greatest sin that Joe Biden ever committed was being the only person to defeat Donald Trump in an election when he ran in 2020.

Joe Biden winning and holding the presidency for four years straight is something that MAGA, the GOP, far leftists/communists/tankies, and most importantly, Donald Trump will never forgive.

Trump lived four straight years in embarrassment as a pariah, under constant legal pressure, and Biden pardoning his family and people that Trump waged culture wars against, like Anthony Fauci basically stole away the catharsis Trump wanted to feel by waging lawfare against them. Trump has been president for almost two full months and he STILL cannot get the taste of Joe Biden's dick out of his mouth.

He will forever have to live with the shame of having lost four years worth of attention to an aged, slowed Joseph R. Biden. A year from now, two years, three years, even up until inauguration day 2029, he'll still be seething about Joe Biden. It's fucking pathetic.

Imagine trying to spin Joe fucking BIDEN of all people into some kind of 64D chess criminal mastermind. That worked for Hillary Clinton because people had a natural distrust of Hillary Clinton, it didn't work on Grampa Joe, and it will never work on Grampa Joe. All Bondi would be doing is wasting taxpayer money on cases that can't even go to trial, all because Trump is still asshurt that he took an involuntary 4 year sabbatical from the presidency.
Chris Chan vs the team of Mary Lee Walsh and Michael Schneider, reincarnated. I'm here for it, baby.
 
If Roberts decides to hear it at all. Roberts is batting 0-3 when it comes to anything that will consequentially hurt the Deep State. He's happily voted for everything red as long as it doesn't touch his bank roll masters.
And that will be interesting to find out, we have an accusation of something pretty serious..if Roberts blurts out "It will be fine" while taking Obama's dick up his ass (again) then we learned something new.

Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
That is kind of not what is being accused here, I don't think anyone really has an issue with the following happening

Biden : "I want to pardon a thousand people"
Aide : "That will take a while"
Biden : "USETH THE AUTO PEN!"

Trump is accusing people of doing this

Aide : "Okay Trump won, that could be bad for a bunch of people we are friends with"
Other Aide : "Bring in the Auto Pen...we will sign a bunch of Pardons in Biden's name without asking or telling him"

Now if Trump is correct in this Accusation then we should definitively have a discussion about it, and the Autopen in general, I do not mind a world in which the President does have to sign everything by hand, You know if this shit is THAT important that it has to happen perhaps..you know the President should actually be forced to sign it manually.
 
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Also, hasn't anything that could be considered as part of the "files (Epstein's black book, flight logs for Epstein's private plane) already been made public?
It was a lot of information that was already available to the public but compiled and more censored in some areas. As of this time we are still technically waiting on "Phase 2" of the document release that may come sometime between now and never.
 
Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
He literally signed the pardon live, they were smart and worded it in a way where he just had to do it once and basically go "see attached".

Joepedo's 1/20 pardons read like a last minute CYA someone (Hunter) made and just needed to get done. It's Homer delivering his taxes at the last minute and then it bounces into the "severe audit" bin.
 
And that will be interesting to find out, we have an accusation of something pretty serious..if Roberts blurts out "It will be fine" while taking Obama's dick up his ass (again) then we learned something new.
I don't think they can let this pass, pretty sure only the SC would have authority to oversee this kind of dispute. Trumps taken an action, someone will have to file to have that action suspended, so if they say "Nope not hearing it" then that'd be the dispute thrown out, Trumps action stands. They'll have to issue a ruling if they want the pardons to stand, right?
 
If people who were pardoned for crimes sure. If only the "I didn't do a crime but pardon me anyway!" people were nullified then nah. That's a good thing too because "prepardoning" is BS.
Prepardoning isn't too egregious of an action, assuming that it is still outlining a fairly well defined circumstance. "Hunter Biden is pardoned for any activities involving or stemming from the Ukranian company Burisma." It sets a well defined "something criminal likely happened involving this specific circumstance, but don't touch it." It covers the activity well enough that conclusions can be drawn, but still leaves them open for unrelated shennanigans. Otherwise you'd end up with the judiciary sitting on crimes and waiting for a favorable executive to bring down the hammer to make it stick longer. On paper blanket pardons are completely legal, they just come off as extremely suspect.

Trump watched his father die to altzeimers. He won't go after Biden, not like that.

Biden's legacy? Biden's family? The swamp creatures squirming around his admin? They're all fair game.
Biden's no longer a threat, not worth spending the time to prosecute him tbh. His political capital is gone, and he doesn't have the mental capacity to assist the Dems in game plans. By the time they got a conviction he'll probably be dead anyways, and if not, locking up a vegetable doesn't feel as satisfying. The infestation of lively bureaucrats and their leadership is a much more pressing matter.
 
A lot of his first term mehness was him assuming he could cut a deal with the dems and the Rinos. Only to learn the dems would fight to the death to oppose him and the Rinos would subvert his good will to get their people into power to stymie him.

This is in stark contrast to Trump of his second term. He's not fucking around anymore, and he's done playing bullshit games. Once he finally realized that he'd never get anything done if he spent most of his time groveling to the Democrats, it was full steam ahead. All he had to do was just let them run their mouths.
 
Same with the news stories about "Trump voters" not realizing that he was going to deport people and regretting voting for him.
That argument was insane. “The largest deportation program in the history of the US” was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign.

Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
That was just one document, an executive order he signed on his first day.

IOW, can't wait to see what happens after the 2028 elections! I wonder who gets the pardons, and if DOGE will stick around after Trump leaves office for good.
The executive order formed DOGE as a temporary organization with an 18 month death clock. It ends on July 4th 2026.
 
I'm not an expert on the history of the pardon but has any president other than Biden done the whole "I'm pardoning this person for any crimes they may have committed in the last twenty years" thing?

I'm guessing no due to the large amount of controversy from both sides when he did so.
Not to this extreme. There has been blanket pardons before and pardons expanding a long time, what he gave Hunter has to be some sort of record. But keep in mind that what Biden did is allowed because the power of the pardon is damn near unlimited.
 
Joepedo's 1/20 pardons read like a last minute CYA someone (Hunter) made and just needed to get done. It's Homer delivering his taxes at the last minute and then it bounces into the "severe audit" bin.
I'm not convinced it was Hunter either. Joe bends over backwards to defend Hunter. I think you guys are all overlooking how this story might've been started. Trump's tweet is far more telling than I think people understand. If you read between the lines a little bit, it heavily seems to imply the order of events went something like this. In a conversation between Trump and Biden, Biden tells Trump he doesn't know anything about these pardons. He didn't sign them. Someone else did. He was just as surprised as us. He mentioned this to Trump casually, and he says he'll look into it. Trump has someone look into this and they find almost all of them were signed with auto-pen. Hence the tweets. It doesn't make sense for Trump to specifically say Joe had no knowledge of this without having spoken with Joe first before announcing this.

All it takes for Joe Biden to destroy this case is him coming out and simply saying "He's wrong. I knew about the pardons". It's incredibly irrational for Trump to come out and make such an insane claim unless he discussed this with Joe first.
 
Now if Trump is correct in this Accusation then we should definitively have a discussion about it, and the Autopen in general, I do not mind a world in which the President does have to sign everything by hand, You know if this shit is THAT important that it has to happen perhaps..you know the President should actually be forced to sign it manually.

There should literally be a law that requires this. Presidential pardons are a big ass deal.
 

That's probably not going to fly. Presidential pardons are generally considered absolute, they're supposed to be the final safety check for justice under the Constitution. And Presidents have been using the autopen since Johnson or Nixon. He's going to have to prove a literal InfoWars conspiracy that a shadowy cabal of advisors were running the country without Biden's knowledge. I doubt he'll be able to prove that to anyone's satisfaction, without a high level inner circle turncoat. But nobody in Biden's team is motivated to do that.
 
I don't think they can let this pass, pretty sure only the SC would have authority to oversee this kind of dispute. Trumps taken an action, someone will have to file to have that action suspended, so if they say "Nope not hearing it" then that'd be the dispute thrown out, Trumps action stands. They'll have to issue a ruling if they want the pardons to stand, right?
If they ignore it they could always choose to hear it when it's inevitably brought back to their door after the conclusion of the investigation/trial imo
That was something I said a while back. I don't really care if these people are punished but I absolutely want them investigated and dragged through the courts so the facts of what they did can be brought to light and used against their allies come election time
 
The only way they can possibly be overturned (and even that's a stretch) would be if they can prove Biden didn't even know about the pardons and someone else signed. I believe the President should be able to direct a proxy to turn on the autopen if a thousands docs need to be signed for example. So long as the President is aware of what is being signed in his name. Nobody really expects a modern President to sit down and sign hundreds or thousands of autographs every day, his time is too valuable.
If that's the case then shouldn't the president still sign a document that lists everything that was signed with an autopen?
 
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