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The only way they can possibly be overturned (and even that's a stretch) would be if they can prove Biden didn't even know about the pardons and someone else signed. I believe the President should be able to direct a proxy to turn on the autopen if a thousands docs need to be signed for example. So long as the President is aware of what is being signed in his name. Nobody really expects a modern President to sit down and sign hundreds or thousands of autographs every day, his time is too valuable.
If that's the case then shouldn't the president still sign a document that lists everything that was signed with an autopen?
 
The executive order formed DOGE as a temporary organization with an 18 month death clock. It ends on July 4th 2026.
At least Trump and Elon get to end it on their terms. And probably won't have to worry about all that money going back to their recipients the minute a Democrat gets the chance to do so.
That argument was insane. “The largest deportation program in the history of the US” was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign.
And we have yet to really see left wing militias and gangs of illegals vs ICE and the US military. Kind of surprised we haven't seen anything get to that point.
 
This is in stark contrast to Trump of his second term. He's not fucking around anymore, and he's done playing bullshit games. Once he finally realized that he'd never get anything done if he spent most of his time groveling to the Democrats, it was full steam ahead. All he had to do was just let them run their mouths.
His political opposition mocked him in 2015, tried to obstruct him from 2016 to 2020 and then they had the bright idea to try to ruin his life from 2020 to 2024. In a way through his interactions with it, the deep state has pushed Trump in a certain direction to make him become its very own nightmare.
 
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Theoretically speaking, I could be a staffer in the Trump admin, make a bill declaring Gloria Swanson's birthday a national holiday, use autopen to "forge" Trump's signature and it'd be okay since I work for him?
It would not, for a number of reasons including the fact that it has to go through both Houses of Congress first, and that the President cannot (as far as I am aware) delegate that power.
The only remaining question is if he authorized it.
Does not matter. The Pardon power is not one of the powers that can be delegated. It is solely vested in the highest bodies (President for Federal pardons, Governors for State pardons, both Houses of Congress for the 14th Amendment disability pardon (if it even counts as one) ). There is nothing in USA, or its history, suggesting that the Pardon power can be delegated. The closest comparison I can find is 1797 law passed by Congress that allowed the Secretary of the Treasury to forgive fines regarding ships without proper certification (and for violation of other laws), but as the Supreme Court noted, it was a different power entirely than the one enjoyed by the President. See The Laura, 114 U.S. 411 (1885). The Founding fathers intended the Pardon power to be entrusted into a single man (the one enjoying that power), and specifically cautioned against delegating or sharing such power.
If that was the case I would gladly take a blanket pardon just so I can admit guilt for literally every crime.
That pardon's imply legal guilt is a well believed thing, but ultimately a myth born out of misreading of SCOTUS precedent. I would suggest you read Lorance v. Commandant, 13 F.4th 1150 (10th Cir. 2021) for a very well articulated reason as to why there is no legal guilt from accepting a presidential pardon
 
That's probably not going to fly. Presidential pardons are generally considered absolute, they're supposed to be the final safety check for justice under the Constitution. And Presidents have been using the autopen since Johnson or Nixon. He's going to have to prove a literal InfoWars conspiracy that a shadowy cabal of advisors were running the country without Biden's knowledge. I doubt he'll be able to prove that to anyone's satisfaction, without a high level inner circle turncoat. But nobody in Biden's team is motivated to do that.
Joe Biden himself is a motivated turncoat. Trump's tweet largely makes it sound like the originator of this story was Joe Biden himself. Why announce or try this at all? All Joe Biden has to do is come out and say "I knew about the pardons" and bam, case dead. It wouldn't make sense for Trump to do this unless he already knew Joe Biden wasn't going to do that. Which would make sense if the person who told Trump about this was Joe Biden himself.
 
And we have yet to really see left wing militias and gangs of illegals vs ICE and the US military. Kind of surprised we haven't seen anything get to that point.
Wasn't there that one Tranny? And we've had a few minor scuffles at the border that didn't amount to much. That's really the extent of their strength though, Lefties aren't interested in actually dying for the cause, by and far. They were such abrasive, vindictive assholes before because they were protected by the system and could get away with it. Now that they're actually being arrested when they try to interfere, and their lawfare keeps failing, they don't know what to do.

There never was a revolution brewing, just a deep state stirring up the useful idiots, probably via USAID bullshit it seems.
 
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Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
Funny that. The President has the absolute right to declassified documents. To the point that any documents, in possession of a former President, that are from his administration or prior, are presumed to be properly declassified on their face.

Except in the world of the Biden DOJ. How many millions did Trump have to spend to defend himself? Let's let Fauci experience that level of Hell.
 
Pretty sure the constitutional crisis has been in effect since November 2016.
Nah, a bit earlier than that. I think it started when then-president Obama ordered surveillance (including unlawful wiretaps) on Trump's campaign and other "interesting" trickery to interfere with the 2016 elections.

That or the moment he let the "no propaganda targeting Americans, lol!" law lapse. Take your pick.
 
All Biden has to do is say he pardoned them in sound mind and in perfect health, can he prove that he was of sound mind when he pardoned them? Can he prove that it's him and not some staffer? Did we essentially elect a dementia patient with a horde of bureaucrats governing his decisions or did we elect a incompetent president? That's all we need to know.
I wonder if Biden can make a statement like that.

I wonder if the timing on this relates to exactly what you and others have suggested... maybe he no longer can make such a statement and so the Trump team did this.
 
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Joe Biden himself is a motivated turncoat. Trump's tweet largely makes it sound like the originator of this story was Joe Biden himself. Why announce or try this at all? All Joe Biden has to do is come out and say "I knew about the pardons" and bam, case dead. It wouldn't make sense for Trump to do this unless he already knew Joe Biden wasn't going to do that. Which would make sense if the person who told Trump about this was Joe Biden himself.
If Biden comes out and says "Trump's right" It would be an incredible upset. The right would suddenly be on Joe's side to a degree, and the Left would go absolutely, genuinely nuclear. It'd be an incredible upset in the political landscape, I wouldn't even know where to start looking to watch the meltdowns.
 
I remember once one of the bad kids in my middle school told me “gullible” was written on the ceiling, then speared me in the throat when I looked up.

“I left you cash on the ground” is kinda like that except these people don’t have the excuse of being 12.
Did you beat the crap out of him after or just let him punk you?
 
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