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"After village judge rules Bidens absentee pardons as legal. Trump announces on Truth Social a new program where each citizen who voted for him gets the power to create one Executive Order."

Let's go! What are your plans?
Was going to say banning circumcision but someone else already said it.

So probably banning Common Core. EOs can't undo NCLB sadly.
 
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You don't think the Soviet Union watched every step carefully and would call us out in a second? Basic critical thinking skills here.
gosh I hate this talking point

Why dident the Soviet Union "watch every step" of the JFK assassination and "call that out", cause thats just not how geopoltics work, the relations between nations are more complicated than water cooler gossiping

If what your describing could or did happen guess what, the USA would call it communist propaganda like all the other lies they spread about us.

this is almost 250,000 miles from earth in an age when satellites looked like this
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The entirety of Russian NASA was outside on july 20th squinting at the sky
"you see them comrade?"
"I think so, look like new speck of dust that was nyet there before, must be those dirty capitalists"
 
Lol see, thanks for at least being honest but you are proving my point. If Trump undoes Biden's pardons, then the next president can undo Trump's pardons. It's a bad precedent to set. Then again, you retards want Trump to be king and be able to ignore judicial orders so this shouldn't surprise me
The problem is that Biden did not sign the pardons at all. They were all signed using auto-pen. Auto-pen is a physical machine that is in the White House that has an arm you put a pen into and it signs a document. Every President has used it since the dawn of forever. Biden was not at the White House at the time. We know for a fact Joe Biden did not sign those pardons. Trump is asserting that Joe Biden also did not know about the pardons and he found out about them when we did. So therefore, they aren't pardons at all. Only the President can issue a pardon.

Trump's ultimate claim is that a rogue agent in the White House took it upon themselves to go into that room, and used the auto-pen to sign off on dozens of last minute indefinite pardons for a bunch of people who aren't charged or even being investigated for crimes so that they cannot be charged in the future crimes they may have committed. That is not a Presidential Pardon by any definition of the concept.

Will it pass through the test upon legal challenge? Maybe. I can see Roberts cucking because he's a swamp creature. Especially after his tirade today.
 
As I said, if Biden comes out and says he did the pardons
This was what I (and several others) kept saying when this first broke the other day was that all Biden has to do ('has to') is just say "that was me, carry on, pimp", which is why I don't think the pardons in of themselves are worth fussing about one way or the other. What's really important is how the courts decide who can use autopenning, when, and how (and if the President can authorize anybody to do it, and again; if/when/how). Well, if they decide on that at all.

And yes, again, turnabout is fair play and anything one guy does another can undo, if that's the game they're playing. But I don't think anybody was really arguing it was any other way.
 
The problem is that Biden did not sign the pardons at all. They were all signed using auto-pen. Auto-pen is a physical machine that is in the White House that has an arm you put a pen into and it signs a document. Every President has used it since the dawn of forever. Biden was not at the White House at the time. We know for a fact Joe Biden did not sign those pardons. Trump is asserting that Joe Biden also did not know about the pardons and he found out about them when we did. So therefore, they aren't pardons at all. Only the President can issue a pardon.

Trump's ultimate claim is that a rogue agent in the White House took it upon themselves to go into that room, and used the auto-pen to sign off on dozens of last minute indefinite pardons for a bunch of people who aren't charged or even being investigated for crimes so they cannot be charged with future crimes. That is not a Presidential Pardon by any definition of the concept.

Will it pass through the test upon legal challenge? Maybe. I can see Roberts cucking because he's a swamp creature. Especially after his tirade today.
And like I said, if Biden says he did approve of these and Trump still wants to undo them, then you guys will double down on wanting it anyway. You guys are okay with everything and anything Trump does. That's why people say you're in a cult

The "autopen" thing is just something Trump is using to justify it and you guys latched onto it.
 
Did trump drop the Kennedy files yet?

This might seem so unconnected but do yall think if they lied about kennedy they lied about the moon landing too?

Just stumbled on the clip of buzz and neil putting up the flag on the moon and the bitch is FLAPPING around

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source video if you wanna check it out for yourslef, its funny, he grabs it and pulls the flapping side down like he is thinking,
"hold still, your going to give the whole plot away"
They actually tested that one on Mythbusters of all things, they had a moon landing special. I don't remember if they recreated the flag or just pulled a copy out of a museum/archive but they threw it in a vacuum chamber and it started swinging around like crazy. Without air to put drag on the fabric it has no resistance to moving and the frame was really flexible/whippy. Basically the same physics as a bobblehead
 
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gosh I hate this talking point

Why dident the Soviet Union "watch every step" of the JFK assassination and "call that out", cause thats just not how geopoltics work, the relations between nations are more complicated than water cooler gossiping

If what your describing could or did happen guess what, the USA would call it communist propaganda like all the other lies they spread about us.

this is almost 250,000 miles from earth in an age when satellites looked like this
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The entirety of Russian NASA was outside on july 20th squinting at the sky
"you see them comrade?"
"I think so, look like new speck of dust that was nyet there before, must be those dirty capitalists"
You know the Soviets sent remote controlled rovers to the moon, right?
 
People who are saying that the autopen signing the document means Biden didn't sign it don't even know what the fuck they are talking about. When the whitehouse says "autopen" what they mean is the 3d printer set up to print off clones of the president so that the clone can then sign the document. It's perfectly legal, the clone counts as the same entity and has been in use since Teddy Roosevelt.
 
And like I said, if Biden says he did approve of these and Trump still wants to undo them, then you guys will double down on wanting it anyway. You guys are okay with everything and anything Trump does. That's why people say you're in a cult

The "autopen" thing is just something Trump is using to justify it and you guys latched onto it.
I'm fine with undoing them with the understanding that the same rules apply the other way around. I don't think for a moment anybody would expect the President to unilaterally be able to undo pardons, I expect he'd have to make some kind of a case for doing so (which is where we're at right now). It becomes easier to issue a pardon than to nullify one, but there has to be some kind of a way to do it.
 
And like I said, if Biden says he did approve of these and Trump still wants to undo them, then you guys will double down on wanting it anyway. You guys are okay with everything and anything Trump does. That's why people say you're in a cult
Well that raises the other question. You're right, all Biden has to do is say he issued the pardons and knew about them and this whole thing has weaker legs to stand on. Not necessarily outright eliminating it, but makes it difficult to pursue. However, that hasn't happened yet. Why? On another note, if I'm Trump, why bother at all? This whole claim hinges on Biden not knowing about the pardons. So if I'm Trump, I don't make this statement unless I'm 100% sure Biden didn't know about the pardons AND I can prove it. (Barring any general Trump showman stupidity)

Why hasn't Biden said anything yet? I'm sure he's heard about this. This impacts him and his family directly. You'd imagine the first thing he does is call a reporter and tell them "I issued the pardons".
 
And like I said, if Biden says he did approve of these and Trump still wants to undo them, then you guys will double down on wanting it anyway. You guys are okay with everything and anything Trump does. That's why people say you're in a cult

The "autopen" thing is just something Trump is using to justify it and you guys latched onto it.
You argue like a conspiracy theorist. Anytime anyone provides any evidence proving you wrong, you either say "part of the conspiracy" or move the goal posts. And you call people "sheeple" that disagree and or prove you wrong.
 
Why hasn't Biden said anything yet? I'm sure he's heard about this. This impacts him and his family directly. You'd imagine the first thing he does is call a reporter and tell them "I issued the pardons".
The funniest (but most morbid) outcome is for Biden to currently be in retreat due to health issues, returning to the media with a final joke and his clarity of mind returning he just says "yeah I'll talk about the pardons later this week" specifying nothing one way or the other before kicking the bucket.
 
You argue like a conspiracy theorist. Anytime anyone provides any evidence proving you wrong, you either say "part of the conspiracy" or move the goal posts. And you call people "sheeple" that disagree and or prove you wrong.
Lol you guys haven't provided any evidence. If anything, you guys have admitted that I was right.

You guys want Trump to be king and therefore are cool and support anything he does. All because Russian botfarm slop on social media told you that Trump should be king :story:
 
Lol you guys haven't provided any evidence. If anything, you guys have admitted that I was right.

You guys want Trump to be king and therefore are cool and support anything he does. All because Russian botfarm slop on social media told you that Trump should be king :story:
We have you just pull the it's not real evidence card. You're just a delusional scizoid who has at the core deluison that there's a "RUSSIAN BOTFARM". as a paranoid delusion. I bet you're not even American. All you can do is post your AI tier slop posts and rate people MATI. go back to the Trump Enslavement thread please.
 
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