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I made a JFK Files Mega/Containment Thread since I think there's a lot of discussion here due to the sheer volume of what was released.

Okay? I'm not sure why you tagged me, unless there's some request I am missing
There is also the news thread:

This document dump doesn't include all the JFK files, so I don't think the issue will be resolved soon.

Not sure where to post about it.
 
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Judge blocks Trump administration from terminating $14 billion in ‘green bank’ grants
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Michael Phillis and Matthew Daly
2025-03-19 02:15:52GMT
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday blocked the Trump administration from terminating $14 billion in grants awarded to three climate groups by the Biden administration, saying the government’s “vague and unsubstantiated assertions of fraud are insufficient.”

The order by U.S. District Judge Tonya Chutkan prevents — for now — the Environmental Protection Agency from ending the grant program, which totaled $20 billion. The judge also blocked Citibank, which holds the money on behalf of EPA, from transferring it to the government or anyone else.

EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin accused the grant recipients of mismanagement, fraud and self-dealing and froze the grants. But after reviewing arguments in the case, Chutkan said Zeldin’s allegations fell short.

“At this juncture, EPA Defendants have not sufficiently explained why unilaterally terminating Plaintiffs’ grant awards was a rational precursor to reviewing” the green bank program, Chutkan wrote.

She was the third judge of the day to rule against the Trump administration. The trio of rulings came within hours of an extraordinary conflict, as President Donald Trump called for the impeachment another judge who had temporarily blocked deportation flights. Trump’s message drew a rare rebuke from Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.

Climate United Fund and other groups had sued the EPA, Zeldin and Citibank, saying they had illegally denied the groups access to $14 billion awarded last year through the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund, commonly referred to as a “green bank.” The program was created by the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act to finance clean energy and climate-friendly projects.

Climate United and two other groups, the Coalition for Green Capital and Power Forward Communities, said the freeze not only prevented them from financing new projects, but might force them to lay off staff. They said the allegations they were mishandling funds were utterly meritless.

The nonprofits also wanted Judge Chutkan to order Citibank to unfreeze the account. She declined to do so. The order simply preserves the status quo while the case proceeds.

Climate United was awarded nearly $7 billion, the Coalition for Green Capital won $5 billion and Power Forward Communities was awarded $2 billion. Republicans unanimously voted against the law that created the grant program and have denounced it as an unaccountable “slush fund.’'

After the funds were frozen, the EPA moved to terminate the grants.

Climate United CEO Beth Bafford said the judge’s decision Tuesday was “a step in the right direction.”

“In the coming weeks, we will continue working towards a long-term solution that will allow us to invest in projects that deliver energy savings, create jobs, and boost American manufacturing in communities across the country,” Bafford said.

The EPA did not immediately respond to a request for comment late Tuesday.

Zeldin has characterized the grants as a “gold bar” scheme marred by conflicts of interest and potential fraud.

“Twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution, in a deliberate effort to limit government oversight — doling out your money through just eight pass-through, politically connected, unqualified and in some cases brand-new” nonprofit organizations, Zeldin said in a video posted online.

Climate United countered that the termination was unlawful, arguing the federal government had identified no evidence of waste, fraud or abuse.
 
What exactly stops the other party from doing the same once you're out of power? Do they overrule Trump's Pardons and suddenly the Jan 6 protesters are back in prison?
Jenga is what happens.

Our government at the moment is a Jenga tower that is continuing to have bars pulled out of it. Which is one reason as to why it's all the more important to just drop shit like the Epstein files unredacted before things go completely ass-fuck sideways.
 
Posting what this guy put.


The CIA assassinated JFK, the sitting President of the United States.

“The day after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington. A small clique within the CIA was responsible, he confided. Less than six months later Underhill was found shot to death. Ruled a suicide.”

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I mean, yeah,
We knew that.
I told you.
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It seems the way to stop A&H from ripping itself apart is to give them something that tickles their autism.

Are we sure Barron Trump doesn't lurk here?
I mean that is another possible strategy from Trump's team: to deliberately declassify a bunch of shit that sows distrust in the CIA and other government departments and lets everyone get super distracted so they can do a bunch of shit with a highly distracted populace.
 
I'll assume zero consequences if Trump chooses to just ignore what some random judge from the middle of nowhere "decides".
Zero immediate consequences perhaps, but he's already ignored an order has he not? With the flight turnaround order for those Venezuelan gangsters.

The reason he has tried so far to avoid ignoring orders is that it destabilizes our established system, and risks a return to the pre-20th century state the judiciary languished in after Jackson humiliated them with his "and let us see him enforce it" action.

It leads to a breakdown of the separation of powers that has been increasing anyway though at a slower rate, if you will, as Biden ignored orders as well, and I'm sure Obama/Bush did before him if you're willing to dig back that far... but here we're in an environment where the political system is as polarized and outright, viscerally against populism and perceived proponents of populism, as it has ever been post WW2 establishment of the 'liberal order'.

My reference to Jenga in my previous post is apt not because of instability, but rather because if you've ever played it the tower can wobble quite a bit before it falls over. That's what actions like ignoring a judge's order does, it's going outside of the bounds of 'law and order', regardless of your personal opinion on the orders, the strength of jurisprudence and indeed law itself is founded in repetitive motions through established processes that give it credence.

If you ignore the law and nothing happens immediately, that's not the same as having no effect. The president ignoring the law sets precedent, a destabilizing one, that runs counter to the system he's setting such a precedent in and runs the risk of permanently or at least in the long term, disempowering an entire branch of our government and in so doing upending the conceptual structure of checks and balances we're familiar with.

Do not think for a moment the judges pushing this aren't aware of this, in fact it's the very point of it. If they get into power again they'll not stop pointing at Trump ignoring even so much as one order regardless of its absurdity as a justification for whatever they want to do to/for/of whomever.
 
No one except the very retarded would think that a clear reference to a rave that got attacked and is intended as a message of resilience would be read as referencing an obscure 9/11 conspiracy
You know what, you're right. Germany tweeting out "wooden doors now for sale" after the USSR raids their front is just a reference for their new lumber policy. Funny how you haven't addressed my point about just going to Madagascar instead of a sandbox full of people who hate you by religious principle no matter how retarded that principle is (very)?

Why don't you just ban jews from working in Media, Business, banking, law, or politics if apparently theories about you controlling all of the above is gonna cause anudda shoahcaust? Surely people don't hate people who are involved in those professions because they are inherently parasitic and immoral and it's all because they hate the tiny hat tribe for absolutely zero reason.

I'm sure people will start hating firefighters, roofers, and plumbers if they start speaking hebrew and venerate international bankers, media moguls, and speculative international investors instead once they are all Germans.
 
I thought this was funny.

This operation has a high "flap potential"

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Apparently it's fedspeak for something that could embarrass them.
iirc didnt the USA also have nukes similarly in spitting distance in a nearby shithole and Cuba was a response?
That was part of the deal we eventually reached with the Soviets, yes. They offered to take their missiles out of Cuba if we took ours out of Turkey, which the Cubans were none too happy about.
 
I mean that is another possible strategy from Trump's team: to deliberately declassify a bunch of shit that sows distrust in the CIA and other government departments and lets everyone get super distracted so they can do a bunch of shit with a highly distracted populace.
Yeah, come to think of it, it'd be the mother of all distractions to just drop the Epstein files unredacted, now wouldn't it?

:thinking:
 
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