💬 Off-Topic True Crime thread, Transgender edition - troons committing violent crime

Meat Target said:
You forgot to mention how they chopped the guy up with a saw and were keeping his severed head in a cookpot.
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I half expected the twist to be that the tranny ate some of it but I suppose allowing the head to become sludge and carting it around for years is almost as appalling.
 
Asian tech support said:
I half expected the twist to be that the tranny ate some of it but I suppose allowing the head to become sludge and carting it around for years is almost as appalling.
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The funniest part was when one of them said "it was an accident".

Dontcha just hate it when a member of your polycule accidentally ends up dismembered and someone finds their skeleton two states away?
 
Meat Target said:
I thought he tried to shoot the cops and got smoked?
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No, self inflicted to the head. The cops only had 'Jenn' detained at their home and the shot was fired as the officers were about to formally place Jenn under arrest.
If you watch the entire video, Sarah, the main suspect, and Jenn had been planning on a murder-suicide if they were ever caught - Jenn would shoot Sarah and then him/herself. Once Jenn was told that Sarah was squealing at the police station, Jenn immediately started spiraling into suicide mode.
 
Migraine Box said:
No, self inflicted to the head. The cops only had 'Jenn' detained at their home and the shot was fired as the officers were about to formally place Jenn under arrest.
If you watch the entire video, Sarah, the main suspect, and Jenn had been planning on a murder-suicide if they were ever caught - Jenn would shoot Sarah and then him/herself. Once Jenn was told that Sarah was squealing at the police station, Jenn immediately started spiraling into suicide mode.
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In the interview leading up to the gunshot, "Jenn" is asked why he keeps playing with his handbag and claims it's "for comfort".
Not sure why the police officers involved didn't pick up on that and take it off him, so they had a lucky escape.
 
Nero Fiddled said:
Not sure why the police officers involved didn't pick up on that and take it off him
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"This sad wussy faggot is playing with his little purse because he's such a pussy lol"
Even some cops don't know that Buffalo Bill is a realistic portrayal of the troon profile.
 
An update to the Gigahon "Julie Doe": he has been identified through genealogical research as some poor Kentuckian bastard who was adopted as a child and became a tranny in his early twenties.

The trans activists weren't wrong, in that he had lived full time "as a woman" for a while before his death. However, though no photos have yet been released, given the reconstructions I still doubt many people who met him thought he was literally definitely absolutely born female.
(Investigators were only confused because almost nobody in 1988 had met a dude with tit implants, and postmortem decay had taken most of his flesh off.)

Even though casual photos in the mid-to-late 80s were not nearly as common as they are now, the fact that there are likely no photos of him as an adult suggests to me that he had no real friends to speak of. Especially given what we know of tranny behavior today, there's no reason to think he wasn't a weird loner who only really socialized by going to bars and trying to pick up randoms to fuck (possibly for money).
So nobody would have been searching unidentified-dead-body databases for their beloved friend, coworker, or neighbor "Pamela" who had been missing for who knows how long.

If he had lived in an apartment, boarding house, or motel room, his stuff either got sold or trashed when he stopped paying rent and didn't show up again. If he had a car, it was considered abandoned and got stolen or towed eventually. Most people probably thought he had just moved on and left town without a word, like weird loners often do (particularly in Florida, particularly in the '80s).

It's possible someone was looking for their adopted relative Peter, or whatever his name was; his "dead name" and any photos of him as a boy child or teen have not been released as of the time I'm writing this comment.
But even if so, they likely didn't know he had become "Pamela", so would have been looking for unidentified dead men who fit his description.

I'm pretty sure that, if modern genetics and genealogical research didn't exist, this dude had absolutely zero chance of being identified at all. Given the fact that he was adopted, it's almost a miracle he was identified even now.

So tl;dr an unnamed person has been identified through the wonders of current-year science, some family gets to bury their dead if they so choose, and the trans activists howling about his postmortem rights being infringed upon were all heated up about nothing as usual.

This reddit link also leads to the official statement, and there are always LOLs in the comments: "Trans Julie Doe" identified as some guy from Kentucky.
 
fagnarok said:
any photos of him as a boy child or teen have not been released as of the time I'm writing this comment.
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There are photos, the first one is the one released and the rest are ones someone on Reddit found looking through yearbooks online.

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Carnavoyeur said:
There are photos, the first one is the one released and the rest are ones someone on Reddit found looking through yearbooks online.

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Excellent find! (Please note that I could not be arsed and did not search very hard, LOL.)

... Yeah, this dude absolutely did not pass.

The poor bastard. Unless we find out he was a kiddy fiddler or something, I do feel really sorry that he likely led a lonely life before suffering an awful death*, think it was very sad that he went unnamed for almost 40 years, and am glad his family finally knows what happened.
Trannies have always been goofy as fuck in almost every way, but the psychology of transitioning before it became trendy by way of the internet is somewhat different than it is today. This dude was probably an inwardly-tormented, self-hating fag who was additionally fucked up from being abandoned by his birth parents (whether his mom was an unwed teen, one or both parents died, they surrendered him for financial reasons, or they were deemed unfit, it would still give a person some sort of feelings about himself).

* While I heavily dislike the concept of dudes "stealthing" other dudes and can understand a guy getting mad if suddenly surprised by dick in an intimate situation, beating the trap to a bloody pulp and committing murder or leaving him for dead is not the civilized response.
Hurling some insults, cursing your God, and fleeing into the night while leaving the trap humiliated but alive to figure out his own way home is totally fine.
 
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Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
What's funny is that they've done a "poster" with how they "think" this gigahon looked like as a woman:

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Let's just say that I don't think their pictures will jog anyone's memory about "Pamela" :story:

He was also buried under his real name - Lee Allan Walton:
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Aw, man ... his adoptive family cared enough about him to put up a headstone. :heart-empty:
Plenty of normies don't even get that kind of response when they vanish off the face of the earth.
To state the obvious, 1. they were definitely wondering where he was all this time and had just resigned themselves to the inevitable, and 2. there is no way they were searching up unidentified "women" when trying to figure it out.

There will of course be tranny rage, though, just like there is over Teena Brandon getting "deadnamed" on her tombstone, because they lack perspective and nothing is ever good enough for them.

Those mockups are hilarious for me, though.
Given "1980s Florida", we can probably guess his lifestyle was less "hikikomori IT nerd" and more "lot lizard", whether he literally turned tricks or not.
It was most certainly not glamorous, and of course he did not pass.

I don't hold out much hope for the actual murder being solved. But then again, if anyone from that scene is even still alive, maybe "now that I think about it, there was this one tall, homely woman who only ever sat at the dark end of the bar and left one night with a bunch of bikers; we never saw 'her' again and the one biker who lived locally was acting squirrely afterwards" might be just what they need.

Regardless, godspeed, Lee. I hope his family can process this now, and that he has attained the sort of rest he never knew in life.
 
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fagnarok said:
Especially given what we know of tranny behavior today, there's no reason to think he wasn't a weird loner who only really socialized by going to bars and trying to pick up randoms to fuck (possibly for money).
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Not possibly, definitely for money. They found newspaper articles where it mentions 'Pamela' getting arrested for prostitution and loitering.

From the Lexington herald reader July 6th 1988:

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BootlegPopeye said:
Not possibly, definitely for money. They found newspaper articles where it mentions 'Pamela' getting arrested for prostitution and loitering.

From the Lexington herald reader July 6th 1988:

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He was also found about three months later in bad condition.

Interestingly, 319 Walnut Carlisle turns up this little home:


The street view has been directly blurred, but pushing it to the right gives a view:
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It's a small house with two bed rooms. Logically, whoever Lee lived with or rented from should be in the first line of questioning. It wouldn't surprise me if this is either a chaser / T4T violence.
 
And that would probably be the only way you'd get a post-op picture of him as a tranny... His mug shot when he was arrested for loitering for the purpose of prostitution. My guess is that if you could track where he was living from the early 80s to 1988 there is probably a string of arrests for the same thing.

And that matches what I remember in the 1980s about people who did have sex changes that early... Almost always there was a connection to the sex trade.

He almost certainly had his name legally changed to Pamela at some point or they would not call him by that name in the police blotter in the Lexington herald leader.
 
Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
He was also found about three months later in bad condition.

Interestingly, 319 Walnut Carlisle turns up this little home:


The street view has been directly blurred, but pushing it to the right gives a view:
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It's a small house with two bed rooms. Logically, whoever Lee lived with or rented from should be in the first line of questioning. It wouldn't surprise me if this is either a chaser / T4T violence.
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Now that he's confirmed to have been hooking, in descending order of likelihood the killer was either 1. a john, 2. his pimp, 3. a tranny acquaintance / fellow hooker, or 4. some random local who was not necessarily a john, but who cruised him for chaser purposes.

There's a heavy overlap between prostitution and the narcotics trade, so if he was also involved in that, "hinky drug business" enters the list at the number 3 spot.

I'm pretty surprised that he wasn't living out of a motel. This shifts things in favor of investigators, because it would be a fart in the wind to find out who hung around whatever seedy motel forty years ago.
Since so much time has gone by, it might be difficult to find out who his roommates were unless they also have arrest records with that address listed ... but they probably did, so that will be very helpful.
The biggest variable will be whether or not any of them are still alive. Given the lifestyle, cops might have the best time finding an associate who went to prison for something else and is still in there.

Given some Kiwifarms detectives found this much information in just one day, the crime actually seems more solvable than most!
Lee getting arrested might have provided the biggest clue.

Thanks, 1980s vice cops. And thank you, too, Kiwi Bureau of Investigation.
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Hopefully the IRL cops are as autistic.
 
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