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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Theocrat Robot]

Ah is that what the benefits plan is about? Struggling to get the boots to go on the ground for Ukraine perhaps? Ngl national service will probably do some good for some of the autists.

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Sneaky rats! No wonder they suddenly want to cut benefits. It makes perfect sense if you factor in that they can use the lack of money to pay for the cost of living to trick young people into dying in Ukraine or Iran or some stupid place.

 

[GratsTheat783]

There is a novel by Anthony Burgess titled 1985, written in '78, where Muslims run counter action against the failing state... Before that Chesterton wrote The Flying Inn, a novel with similar themes.

Burgess was fascinated by Arabic culture his entire life, even writing a Persian translation of Eliot's The Waste Land... There is a lot of funny references to Islam in Scruton, who likes and loathes the religion... His The West and The Rest has a very good chapter on Islamic Law, worth reading.

Here's links to PDFs to the things mentioned for people interested in reading.

1985
The Flying Inn
The West and the Rest
'Rivers of Blood' speech
The Waste Land

Is there a PDF thread on this site? I couldn't find one, which is quite surprising.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Can't we just send all the little bastards to seven weeks of boot camp instead of the school summer holidays for a laugh anyway. They will come back thin and fit and motivated to not be conscripted, this is an all round win

Joking aside, if we did this, we would have legit violence on the streets inside a few years. There really aren't any jobs available to young people anymore that pay enough to get out the house. You take a bunch of disaffected people, make them fit, disciplined, and give them access to firearms; and then dump them en masse back into a broken society, you're going to end up with violent criminal gangs at best. Soldiers are still the same people they were going in, but they just have a little button on their head they can flip to make them do things rather than go 'Nah, fuck that, that's pointless.'

It's like banning abortions in a way, you can do it for sure, and you would then have essentially no abortions. What happens next though is just 1800's gangs of feral children knifing people in the stre-Oh. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Bad comparison maybe.

I don't actually know if there is a real 'solution' to the current state of the UK. Our economy is fucked. It's completely fucked. We would need to gut our civil service, build a new one, and then reform an entirely new government to make it not fucked at this point. Even then, it's going to take years. We may just end up with a lost generation where huge swathes of people know no real work, and have no real future. I know there's this idea of 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' that a lot of people have here, where we just tell people to stop whinging; and I get it, because I've never not had a job. The longest I've been out of work was 8 months, and I was going completely insane by the end of it. So I get why people say to just get out there and try. However young people have been fundamentally sold a lie, that if they work hard, try hard, they get rewarded for it. That's not true. It's not been true for a while, and I think a lot of British people - in this thread as well - are deluded about it. People see £30K as a good wage. That's poverty at best; and most jobs don't pay that. There is no frontal progression, you have to just keep moving jobs; and unfortunately most jobs are down souf where it's extremely expensive just to live.

We have vast wealth inequality, and vast poverty. A lot of people say 'oh yeah but not starving poverty!' Which is a retarded cope. We live in a developed first world nation, the bar should not be 'oh you won't starve though!'. If we're at that point, we're a failed state and the move shouldn't be to get a job, it should be to either get out the country and go literally anywhere else in Europe, or to start shooting politicians in the street. I get why a lot of people just give up. I don't think it's a good idea to give up, and I always think 'Yeah, it's hard, but what's the alternative? I just rot?". I'm old now (29), but my parents will often mention how they have a house on their property I can move into if I want to, and not have to worry about bills. My family are great, but living with my parents at 30 would drive me insane in a way I can't actually articulate, even if there were any jobs in my field near them.

At some point, we do have to accept that the country is in a bad state, and no amount of wishful thinking, gumption, pull yourself up, can do attitude, perseverance and discipline can change the reality that there are 5 jobs, and 10 people. Someone is getting fucked over and losing out. Suggesting that people simply accept that they will work dead end subsistence jobs that will never amount to anything, just so they can pay someone else's mortgage through inflated rent, high taxes, and bullshit price gouging is pissing on someones face and then getting annoyed when then call you a cunt.

Apologies for the long rant and it's not directed at you, but I've been mulling this over for a while now.

 

[Vesperus]

Is there a PDF thread on this site? I couldn't find one, which is quite surprising.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-grand-library-of-kiwi-farms.189802/

It in the art & literature forum, buried under the comics and finger-painting.

 

[teriyakiburns]

We have vast wealth inequality, and vast poverty. A lot of people say 'oh yeah but not starving poverty!' Which is a retarded cope. We live in a developed first world nation, the bar should not be 'oh you won't starve though!'.

The irony is, we do in fact have starving poverty. Ignore the fat birds on the news complaining about how they can't get their fifteenth gregg's pastie; they probably have media contacts. There are thousand of British citizens, right now, who do not know where their next meal is coming from, so even that cope is out of date.

I've lived through recessions and contractions, and I've lived through grinding poverty when I was a kid. None of that was as bad as things are now. Economically, this country is so far down the sewer that I can see blackpool beach and socially it is so torn apart that there is no longer a common English demos, let alone the more nebulous British one. We are atomised and isolated, surrounded by constant condemnation for merely existing. More than at any time in history, this country is sitting on the verge of revolution. It's like Argentina in the 40s, absent the powerful military (though Starmer seems set on re-creating even that part of the puzzle with his conscription ideas). We may well be living under a military junta by 2050.

The one upside of a revolution is that it clears out much of the rot, but the downside is that the people who end up in power are the sort of people who think that the solution to every problem in life is to shoot it.

The alternative to revolution is the emergence of a faction within the existing system that seeks to tear it apart root and branch and reconstitute it in a new form. It has happened before. It can happen again, and god willing it happens soon. I don't want to live through a revolution. I know too many people who have.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

think that the solution to every problem in life is to shoot it.

I'm reaching that point. I was talking yesterday with a friend who works in the civil service, and he said that there's lots of good people, but some bad ones that spoil the whole organisation. My thought was 'right then, I'll line all of them up, and go down, shooting them, and you say stop when we've got all the bad ones.'

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

At some point, we do have to accept that the country is in a bad state, and no amount of wishful thinking, gumption, pull yourself up, can do attitude, perseverance and discipline can change the reality that there are 5 jobs, and 10 people.

Be one of the 5 that gets the job, not one of the 5 that doesn't.
HMO and cheap digs are available all over the country, as are jobs. Relocating to scotland, wales, or some small town that is offering a decent paying job shouldn't be off of the table.

Yes, the country is in trouble, but that doesn't, or shouldn't, give people the excuse to give up. OTOH, if more people give up, the easier it is for industrious people to secure a high paying job, earn enough for a deposit for a house and you're sorted.

The only way you fail in the game, is if you play by the rules other people tell you to play by. An example; you can take out a bank loan to pay for a mortgage deposit. Often, a mortgage will be cheaper than renting. With this knowledge you can take a loan out knowing that by buying a house (loan repayment+ mortgage repayment) = <rental payment.
Who needs to wait five years to save? only suckers that are bad a maff.

 

[Snekposter]

Exactly and Starmer fails to realize what happens to people post-conscription, they love uprising.

Didn't the Irish finally manage to win their independence on account of all the battle-hardened WW1 vets they could call on?

 

[Mr Bunny]

Didn't the Irish finally manage to win their independence on account of all the battle-hardened WW1 vets they could call on?

I would argue the Irish "won" more due to the British being sick of war at that point after WW1. The Black & Tans, the British forces the Irish where mostly fighting, where WW1 vets.

Even then Britain threatened the Irish with total war at the peace talks.

 

[Snekposter]

Even then Britain threatened the Irish with total war at the peace talks.

God, that would have solved so many problems down the line...

Total Mick Death.

 

[Foltest]

I would argue the Irish "won" more due to the British being sick of war at that point after WW1. The Black & Tans, the British forces the Irish where mostly fighting, where WW1 vets.

Even then Britain threatened the Irish with total war at the peace talks.

Seeing as smug and cucked modern day Irish are today, UK won by washing their hands off Ireland.

 

[GratsTheat783]

I considered posting this in the articles section, but I think it's more suited to here: Starmer wants your kids to watch this new Netflix series.

Spoiler: PM backs campaign to show Adolscence in schools

Story by Faye Brown, political reporter
3 min read

Sir Keir Starmer has revealed he is watching Netflix's Adolescence with his family and supports a campaign for it to be shown in parliament and schools.

The drama, starring Stephen Graham, depicts the aftermath of the stabbing of a teenage girl - as a 13-year-old boy from her school is arrested for her murder.


Graham and co-writer Jack Thorne have said they want it to be a show that "causes discussion and makes change", after it was hailed by critics and topped Netflix's charts around the world.

Asked by Labour MP Anneliese Midgley if he backs the creators' calls for it to be aired in parliament and schools, Sir Keir said he does.

He told PMQs: "At home we are watching Adolescence. I've got a 16-year-old boy and a 14-year-old girl, and it's a very good drama to watch.

"This violence carried out by young men, influenced by what they see online, is a real problem.

"It's abhorrent, and we have to tackle it."

MPs want tougher action on online safety

Sir Keir's commitment came as Sky News learned around 25 Labour MPs who want tougher action on online safety have formed an informal group and are due to meet next week.

It could pressure the government to take more radical steps, after a private member's bill to raise the age of social media consent from 13 to 16 was watered down because ministers didn't support the measure.

The changes were criticised by Thorne in a recent interview with Sky News, accusing the government of being "frightened of big tech".

Johnathan Brash is among the MPs who backs showing Adolescence in parliament and schools, telling Sky News he found it "so powerful and distressing I immediately went upstairs and gave my son a hug".

The Labour MP for Hartlepool, whose son is eight, said elements of the show could be shown in primary school "with discretion" so children understand the dangers before they are using social media.

He said he will raise the issue with officials at the Department for Education to ensure Sir Keir's "extremely supportive" words are followed through on.

Mr Brash said the government must "protect children from an environment that is increasing hostile and dangerous".

It comes after Sky News revealed teenagers are regularly being served up "horrific" content on social media apps, including violent and sexually explicit material.

Government 'alert' to 'toxic influencers'

Speaking after PMQs, Sir Keir's spokesman called Adolescence "an incredibly powerful programme that shows the threat of young men carrying out violence from seeing things online".

"Insidious misogyny taking root will be tackled," he added, though he did not say how.

He also said the government is "alert to and taking on" issues raised by Sir Gareth Southgate, after the ex-England manager hit out at "manipulative and toxic influencers" who trick young men into thinking women are against them.

The Online Safety Act, which is being implemented this year, is intended to protect young people from illegal and harmful content with fines for platforms who break the rules coming in this summer.

However, MPs from across the political spectrum want further action to tackle the amount of time children spend on their smartphones.

The Tories want the government to force teachers to ban smartphones from schools, with shadow education secretary Laura Trott revealing she is so concerned she won't allow her children to have one until they are 16.

The government has resisted the measure, saying teachers already have the power to ban phone

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If you want to know, the series caused a stir because it directly name drops Andrew Tate as one of the reasons the boy kills a girl.
Showing it in schools would not work, kids who like Andrew Tate will take the piss out of it while the others wouldn't care.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Be one of the 5 that gets the job, not one of the 5 that doesn't

What if you're white?

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

I'm old now (29),

You're not.
At 30 I was laid off. it took a few years of basic work before I could get back into skilled work, I've been in that other field for over a decade now. When you're with the people that have accepted their lot in life it can seem impossible to get out. I once heard most people change careers 3 times in their life, it was probably bollocks but you'd be surprised how one career can give you an advantage in one completely different.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

If you want to know, the series caused a stir because it directly name drops Andrew Tate as one of the reasons the boy kills a girl.
Showing it in schools would not work, kids who like Andrew Tate will take the piss out of it while the others wouldn't care.

It also does this.

At 30 I was laid off. it took a few years of basic work before I could get back into skilled work, I've been in that other field for over a decade now. When you're with the people that have accepted their lot in life it can seem impossible to get out. I once heard most people change careers 3 times in their life, it was probably bollocks but you'd be surprised how one career can give you an advantage in one completely different.

I've already changed career from insurances sales (where I was a manager), got my degree, masters and PhD, and now I'm a research scientist. If I change again I'll end up as a submariner or something lol.

But no, doing sales I think actually gave me a lot of transferable skills. Lot of confidence, a real power to just bullshit through the back of my teeth and fly by the seat of my pants. Good stuff.

 

[A-Logato]

It also does this.
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The only time you see whitewashing on TV. There was also that PSA that came out a couple of weeks ago that had a young black girl being sexually harassed and cat called by young white boys until they were heroically stopped by a brown kid saying "mmmaaaaattttteeeee!"

 

[BongoMongo]

You're not.
At 30 I was laid off. it took a few years of basic work before I could get back into skilled work, I've been in that other field for over a decade now. When you're with the people that have accepted their lot in life it can seem impossible to get out. I once heard most people change careers 3 times in their life, it was probably bollocks but you'd be surprised how one career can give you an advantage in one completely different.

I was laid off at 28 from a "good" job. I went to university and got a HCPC related degree. I don't use it as working in the NHS broke me and I now work at an engineering firm. I started this job after getting sacked last year.

At the times the change was scary and unsettling but I'm beyond glad I faced up to it and did it even though copping out and going on sick was an option.

Plans change and life happens. We're not defined by the adversities we face, but by how we rise to meet the challenges we face.

 

[Otterly]

pelvic pelmets

Let she who never altered her blazer or skirt cast the first stone ….

but the downside is that the people who end up in power are the sort of people who think that the solution to every problem in life is to shoot it.

The thing is that the ‘shoot them all and get god sort them out’ mode, while not ideal for day to day, is about the only way you get through certain periods of history. We are in a real mess, and fannying around the e edges isn’t going to help. We need to roll our sleeves up and clean house.

Economically, this country is so far down the sewer that I can see blackpool beach and socially it is so torn apart that there is no longer a common English demos, let alone the more nebulous British one. We are atomised and isolated, surrounded by constant condemnation for merely existing.

I agree. It feels like the late seventies/early 80s yet far, far more bleak in many ways. We at least had community then. I lived through the miners strike and we had people helping each other, I don’t think you’d get that now. And the poverty and neglect is real - I went to school with kids who had one pair of wellies as shoes and who were never washed and as I grew up that stuff kind of vanished and now it’s coming back. It’s awful to see . The tales my parents tell me of how much poorer they were, and how much better community was then, are striking.

You take a bunch of disaffected people, make them fit, disciplined, and give them access to firearms; and then dump them en masse back into a broken society, you're going to end up with violent criminal gangs at best.

Or a revolution

I don't actually know if there is a real 'solution' to the current state of the UK.

There are a couple of them. Only one is peaceful.

However young people have been fundamentally sold a lie, that if they work hard, try hard, they get rewarded for it. That's not true. It's not been true for a while, and I think a lot of British people - in this thread as well - are deluded about it. People see £30K as a good wage. That's poverty at best; and most jobs don't pay that.

It’s been a lie for a long time. I worked hard, and I got myself to university, I have always worked, as a student I had a few part time jobs at once as well as 40hours a week class time. I have also worked hard. I have what people would consider to be a job that’s not easy to get. I work hard. I get paid peanuts compared to what my US peers get. I am certainly not in a position to retire early or gift my kids cars or houses.
And that’s someone with an education and who works and is has a ‘decent’ job. If you are just a school leaver at 16 what chance do you have?

 

[BrightonAndHoveAlbion]

Has anyone used sites like 192.com or other electoral roll address finders ? I need to find an address for someone to file something in court. I have a full name, DOB and postcode area which matches up with the preview the directory enquiry sites give me. However I don't really feel like shelling out £15 unless it's going to give me a full and up to date address. Feels like this is the right website to ask.

 

[GratsTheat783]

It also does this.

I thought something like that as well. Since it's described as "anti-white", did they make him racist and the girl he stabbed non-white? As much as I dislike Andrew Tate, directly name-dropping him in the film as absolutely laughable. How long until we have a film directly name-drop Sargon of Akkad? Perhaps even name-drop Null and the Kiwi-Farms?

This reminds me of some pro-LGBT film that was shown in our school, I forget the name but the teacher was this gay black man who you could tell was gay just by the way he talked and looked and there's this girl that gets bullied because people think she's a lesbian and there's this closeted-homosexual who bullies other homosexuals and gets stopped from committing a stabbing by his mother. It had this really annoying "emotional ukulele" strum that would play after every "deep" scene.