UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

View image on Twitter


spread happiness@p4leandp1nk

https://twitter.com/p4leandp1nk/status/1080767496569974785

#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs
2764.png



7

10:07 AM - Jan 3, 2019

See spread happiness's other Tweets

Twitter Ads info and privacy


Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

View image on Twitter


pg often@pgofton

https://twitter.com/pgofton/status/1080772793774624768

The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


42

10:28 AM - Jan 3, 2019

See pg often's other Tweets

Twitter Ads info and privacy


TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
I don't want to turn them into soldiers. Just call it fucking national service or something. Make the little fuckers exercise and get a few punishment beatings for the summer, toughen them up some. Gen Z have not been beaten sufficiently as small children and now look at the state of them. Pale and blobby and self pitying.
They're very good at living rent free in your mind as well. Perhaps if you wanted to toughen them up you could raise aforementioned rent?
 
Top story on the BBC is this one about Lucy letby

Headline, "Private notes and emails reveal inside story of hospital struggle to stop Lucy Letby"

It's an animation, with little pop-up flashcard like quotes and snippets. The BBC are covering for the NHS here and they're showing their hand.

When was the last time you saw animation like this in a news article? And it comes on the back of the announced investigation preceding Letby's time there and a request to cancel said investigation.
 
We live in a developed first world nation
I agree with all you say (except you are not old, and you haven't even seen the middle let alone the end of your personal road yet, okay) but I pulled this bit out because this is the used needle between the bus seats of UK Life Now for me.

The problem is, I think that this is essentially no longer true, and I think we are living through the fairly horrible period whereby the generation roughly equivalent to the millenials are going to be the ones watching that realignment happen.

This is generally the point where fellow kiwis get very angry at me and yell something about demoralisation, or similar. I do not engage in whatever that is supposed to mean. Perhaps I just don't express my thoughts very well. What I mean is, often there is much talk among us of Something Needs To Be Done and Something Will Be Done. And... I don't think Something Is Going To Be Done.

There is a phrase that comes up a lot in writing about the last century of the UK's history, and it's "managed decline". The loss of the Empire. The loss of the biggest Navy. ("You English think you are so great because you have BOATS" is the best bit of Napoleon.) The loss of the eminent world position that saw Britain sit at Yalta. The loss of our skilled manufacturing industries, the loss of our unskilled manufacturing and mining. The transition to a post-industrial services economy as per the Thatcher reforms. (You can argue about whether or not she was right that "there is no alternative". But the economic reforms that got us where we are are substantially the work of her administrations, regardless of how you feel about them.). The loss of an ethnically homogenous society in significant areas of the UK. The gradual... enshittification of many of the 'institutions' of UK life.

It's a managed decline because it's happened slowly. But to sum up what I mean, I believe it is still happening. I think there was an assumption around the early 2000s that it was done, that the UK had realigned its place in the world and we were now where we were going to settle. I do not think that any more. I think, to borrow a phrase from in rooms, we have not yet hit our personal rock bottom. I think things are going to get worse, economically and I am sure socially, but I don't think they were get worse, Something Happens, and then they get better. I think it is more like boiling a frog. I think things are going to get shittier, nothing will happen, and eventually the UK will find its new level.

And I don't believe that level is going to be Banger Fire Top 10 Nation In The World Booyakasha. I said this about the Slovenia thing in the news last week, I think at this point the UK public are still surprised to hear living standards for your average punter in Slovenia are better than here. I don't think in 10, 15 years any cunt will be surprised by that. I think we are continuing to drift down as other countries start to move ahead.

In my lifetime, Germany was reunified, the Iron Curtain and the Soviet Union ceased to exist, and the EU was born as the new power bloc of our continent whilst China became a superpower. Now, regardless of how anyone may personally feel about those developments, they have rewritten the world in which we live in fundamental ways.

I think we are, right now, in the UK, living through a shift just as big. It's just a shift that is from 'things are not great' to 'things are pretty crap tbh'. I think our children will enter their adulthood in country fundamentally different in nature, in economic forecast, in international power, from the one we (certainly I, who graduated in the comparatively halcyon days of Blair) entered into adulthood in. I think their prospects will look drastically different from ours. I think probably even different - and yeah I mean worse - than the ones the kids now are trying to get to grips with.

I don't think Something Will Be Done about this. I see and hear much talk, honest talk, about the Need To Act in some way and I see and hear a lot of very cogent analysis of what the problems are.

What I do not see, honestly, genuinely, not speaking as the voice of doom but my honest reflection, is any sign anywhere that Something Will Be Done. I see a frog, boiling. I see a sort of surrender to fate on the part of the majority of the populace. Was the Brexit vote an act of mass defiance, yes, pretty much. What did it accomplish, well, I don't think anyone who voted to Leave did so expecting and wanting the issue of legal and illegal migration to massively worsen, to look even more insoluble, and the economic headwinds the UK faces to get even stronger. The "real Brexit has never been tried" argument is not relevant here, regardless of how interesting it is. The public perception is that the Brexit vote was their demand for Something To Be Done and what has followed it is Everything Got Worse.

And yet. And yet. Do you see, hand on heart, no copium about Farage, but honest bet-your-life-on it, any signs, anywhere, in the public mood, in civil society, that anything is going to happen. I expect at least one person to say "the public will vote for Reform and they will engage in sweeping civil and economic reform and everything will greatly improve". Respectfully, they already voted for Brexit, they already had a swing at voting for Reform, and the sum total of what has been delivered is, well, fuck all. As Austen wrote "Nothing is to be expected from that direction". Do I see any rival populist (I struggle for a more accurate term so let's use that one) movement or party coming to rival them. No, I do not, quite honestly.

I think things are changing around us, very quickly, and they are changing in a way that if not permanent (nothing is) is definitely going to set the social and economic tone of this country for the next 40 or even 50 years. I think we are disoriented by the speed and apparent uncontrolled nature of that change. What really worries me though is that our way of life where you got a degree and a nice enough job in an office that could buy you half a house with a partner, is going to look as fucking quaint to our kids and grandkids as my old uncles' tales of their time working in the shipyards sued to sound to me as a kid.

That's what worries me. The very real feeling that our grandparents and parents lived through the change of deindustrialisation, and we are currently living through the change of... wherever the fuck it is the UK is going now. A second world country. Faded grandeur. Austria in the 1950s and 60s, but fucking worse.

Do you get where I'm coming from
 
I think we are, right now, in the UK, living through a shift just as big. It's just a shift that is from 'things are not great' to 'things are pretty crap tbh'. I think our children will enter their adulthood in country fundamentally different in nature, in economic forecast, in international power, from the one we (certainly I, who graduated in the comparatively halcyon days of Blair) entered into adulthood in.
I completely agree, and I have a pretty good idea of what our future looks like.

About 20 years ago, I spent some time in south America - Paraguay and Argentina, specifically. In both countries, there are obvious signs of a wealthy past everywhere you look, but especially in Argentina you could see how rich the country used to be and how far it had fallen into the mire since it's height. Buenos Aires is full of classical architecture. In the centre, around the still-wealthy tourist areas, it felt like a cross between London and New York, full of solid, century-old buildings on roads with weighty old names, mingled with the trappings of modernity. Then you'd see a horse and cart hauling piled up hay down the main street, poverty-stricken districts at the distant end of a long road, and the beggars on every corner, and you'd realise just how run down and worn out everything was.

There was no middle class; there were the lumpen poor on one side, and on the other the rich. They lived in completely separate worlds, with their own shops, culture, places where it was acceptable for them to be seen, and everything else you can think of, with no chance of moving from one state to the other.

Paraguay was the same, but more extreme somehow. It's difficult to get across. They had vast glass and steel government buildings across the street from an enormous shanty town, inhabited by people who thought a wind up radio was a luxury. It was a matter of immense pride if you could afford menial staff.

I am 20 years out of date on my perception of these places (I'm told much has changed in Paraguay in some ways; the roads are vastly improved), but it doesn't actually matter. What matters is that's the kind of future we're looking at in this country. There will be the rich, and then everyone else. No middle class, no social mobility (except down, for the unlucky), no security, just the same endless mass of the poor, fighting over scraps in the faded ruins of imperial glory. A country that was once wealthy, but now isn't.
 
Gen Z is split into two camps, DEI fag and racist. Boomers used to have more camps with some being more progressive, some being skinheads and some being racist in the "them brown people look funny" kind of way. Gen Alpha will have to grow up in the world where the brown people are socially in control. Gen Alpha will be racist as fuck in the good old fashioned disgusted with brown people kinda way. The browns we have in the country right now are stupid and lazy as shit and won't be much good in a war. Take of that what you will. The culture war has to be won before the economic war. Solve the nigger question then the economic one.

This was edited several times because I'm a new fag and don't know how much Qanon tier posting is allowed on the farms.
 
Pollster James Johnson is shocked to find out that people in Grimsby are not happy about the state of the nation:
(L / A)

James Johnson: pollster’s thoughts on political swing in UK​

Running focus groups across America for the last two years, James Johnson has become used to eye-popping discussions. When he travels to England, he can usually count on a gentler ride, but the picture that met him in Grimsby, conducting a focus group on behalf of Channel 4 News, could not have been more different.

By James Johnson, a pollster and political advisor, giving his personal reflections on a focus group conducted for Channel 4 News.
Running focus groups across America for the last two years, I have become used to eye-popping discussions. Conspiracies, polarisation, raised voices: I have heard it all.

When I travel to England I can usually count on a gentler ride. Politics in Britain is less fighting in the trenches, more a natter over a cup of tea. Less a shout of fury at politicians, more a tut and a roll of the eyes.

The picture that met me in Grimsby, conducting a focus group on behalf of Channel 4 News, could not have been more different.

The former fishing town, won by Boris Johnson in 2019 and wrestled back by Labour in 2024, perches on the edge of the North Sea. It is one of the ninety seats where Reform UK is second to Labour.

I spoke to two groups of people. The first voted Labour in 2024 but now lean to Nigel Farage’s party. The second – like many across the country – did not vote at all last year. These voters’ backgrounds ranged from an Afghanistan veteran to a retiree, from a carer to a stay-at-home mum recovering from depression.

Their outlook for the country was nothing short of apocalyptic. They spoke of hundreds of homeless Britons on the streets, while “floods” of illegal migrants are housed in hotels on the taxpayer. A carer spoke of children hobbled with mental health problems, the long hangover of the Covid pandemic still biting. The stay-at-home mum talked of criminals and junkies living above her, with politicians and local police powerless to stop them.

Not one of the Labour voters could name an achievement by the party they voted for. The most recalled action was Labour’s cutting of the winter fuel allowance, described as punishing Brits to siphon more money to immigration. The non-voting group spurned the election deliberately, feeling there was no option that represented them. The mainstream parties’ alien values had pushed them away: “there’s no democracy in the UK anymore”.

The government’s handling was “disgraceful”, “disgusting”, “managed decline”. Britain was described as “losing everything that made us great”. Some even spoke of the possibility of violence, a “civil war”, a “revolution”.

Immigration was at its core, with high numbers of legal and illegal migration seen to be “diluting” British culture and the “indigenous people” of the country. In this context, Keir Starmer’s welfare cuts were seen as an insult to Britain’s poorest while the money kept flowing to those crossing the channel on small boats.

They had made themselves heard in 2016 by voting for Brexit, excitedly backed Johnson in 2019, were now counting on Labour, and have felt nothing has gotten better since.

It was not just the anger that made this the most American of the English focus groups I have run. Conspiracy theories abounded: Epstein and a shady force “pulling the strings” featured. People often shouted over each other. Anti-Ukraine sentiment was common, with anti-Zelenskyy talking points cutting through to these Grimsby residents.

What of the party leaders? Keir Starmer was derided. Kemi Badenoch is off the map in a seat her party won just six years ago. She is written off as unexceptional and middle-of-the-road, “a cat’s eye that hasn’t lit up”. Even Nigel Farage was seen as an “old timer”, too tainted by his time in politics to be the fresh face they yearn for.

But push come to shove, Nigel Farage was their top choice for Prime Minister. Most of the voters in the room said they had moved more to the right – and Farage – in recent years because of the state of the country. All but one of the sixteen people we interviewed agreed that “Britain first” should be the guiding principle of politicians.

As I trailed my way back to Heathrow the next morning, the station café worker recommends a podcast with Liz Truss about how the Bank of England was really behind her demise. On the Tube in London I overhear a conversation about “two-tier policing”.

Our focus groups in Grimsby and these encounters do not sum up everyone in the country. But bit by bit, our politics is becoming more online, more conspiratorial, more fractious, more American.

Leaving Grimsby is the most dejected I have ever felt after a focus group. My colleague in tow was more optimistic; he saw great political opportunity, with the voters not resigned to decline but desperate for change.

I am not so sure. There was no excitable revolutionary fervour crackling over the roofs of Grimsby on Monday evening. It was a howl of anguish.
Incredibly remarkable, if nothing else. Random people spouting to Channel 4 that migrants - including the legal ones - are diluting the blood of the indigenous people, and that the country is on the brink of civil war.
 
Only if you don't take a step back and realize what's going on here. "Fuck the younger generation, fuck the olds, I got mine... wait why does this country suck?"
It is not my wish for this country to become a second world shithole where the circumstances of your birth essentially guarantee your life outcomes, for better or worse. A country where the only real determinant between wealth and being a fucking peasant is blind luck is fucking dystopian. That is genuine middle ages shit. The idea that that is coming to pass frightens the absolute fuck out of me. Places like that are shit for everyone, even if they have been lucky enough to be born to privilege. Those are inherently shitty unstable violent banana republics. That is not the future I want for this country. That is going to suck more dicks than Bonnie Blue and it is not in the interests of anyone living in this country for that to happen.
I have my ears open for a plan to forestall this. I don't hear any fucking plan coming from anywhere, and that's why I feel we are fucked. I don't even mean a plan for the future of some specific 'political' flavour. I mean literally any cunt with a half organised idea of what to do. The current government have noticed we are in shit creek and are cutting all the liabilities of the welfare state like someone who just got their P45 cancelling all their direct debits in a panic. That's not a plan, that's just a reaction. Everyone can tell they don't know what to do next.
There is no plan at HMGov or anywhere else to do anything to change the course of UK plc. That is what worries me. It's not even "there is no alternative". No cunt has even thought up anything to have an alternative to. And there isn't some infinite amount of time to attempt a course correction before the structural rot becomes near impossible to break.
A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. Next week in terms of the history of the UK is knocking on the door, and there isn't even a bad plan on the table to execute. Before Something Must Be Done, some cunt has to figure out what the Something is.
 
I have my ears open for a plan to forestall this. I don't hear any fucking plan coming from anywhere, and that's why I feel we are fucked.
The funny thing is, I agree with you: by all indications thr system is hopelessly inert and run by and for vested interests who have no plan or vision beyond a comfortable glide path into oblivion. Like the Germans, your politics are stuck in the past, in complete thrall tobthe war that ruined you. The only potential shake up i see in the next four years is if Starmer actually gets the war with Russia he's slouching towards.

But what's stopping you from being the change you want to see in the world? If there's no solutions and no hope, why not abandon the sinking ship for someplace with better prospects?
 
  • Agree
  • Feels
Reactions: isalaide and Futaba
Incredibly remarkable, if nothing else. Random people spouting to Channel 4 that migrants - including the legal ones - are diluting the blood of the indigenous people, and that the country is on the brink of civil war.
It's something I've not seen before, not at this level. You can feel the resentment building everywhere, with every new thing the government does. It was one thing when the tories did shit, because that's just what tories do, but there was an expectation that something would change once Labour got in, even if most people didn't actually vote for them. Instead, Labour have doubled down on all the worst tory policies and added a few pile more of their own, while very openly trying to roll back brexit, the one big change people felt they had actually had a direct involvement in achieving. Voters have tried being polite and conciliatory with the new lot, after the ructions last year and the years of Tory graft, and Starmer spat in their faces. Now they're angry.

If there's no solutions and no hope, why not abandon the sinking ship for someplace with better prospects?
There's always hope. If nothing else, there's the hope that westminster will collapse back into the pits of hell from which it was spawned and take all of them with it.
 
As much as I dislike Andrew Tate, directly name-dropping him in the film as absolutely laughable.
I don’t like Tate, and at the same time I’m thinking can’t you sue for that? Implying a living person made someone kill on a mass media drama? That’s libel or slander or something surely?
Pollster James Johnson is shocked to find out that people in Grimsby are not happy about the state of the nation:
Every single one of our ruling class should be made to live in Grimsby on benefits in the winter in a flat with junkie scum below and migrants above.
It is not my wish for this country to become a second world shithole where the circumstances of your birth essentially guarantee your life outcomes, for better or worse.
But that’s what’s going to happen unless we give the British poor better chances. We have to sort schools out. We have to have a safety net and we HAVE to have that ladder. The future otherwise is the workhouse / feudal serf one. Only browner
 
It's something I've not seen before, not at this level. You can feel the resentment building everywhere, with every new thing the government does. It was one thing when the tories did shit, because that's just what tories do, but there was an expectation that something would change once Labour got in, even if most people didn't actually vote for them. Instead, Labour have doubled down on all the worst tory policies and added a few pile more of their own, while very openly trying to roll back brexit, the one big change people felt they had actually had a direct involvement in achieving. Voters have tried being polite and conciliatory with the new lot, after the ructions last year and the years of Tory graft, and Starmer spat in their faces. Now they're angry.
It is actually quite amazing how much resentment almost everyone has outside the most left wing labour die hard's at this point. I visited my mother recently and they had BBC news on the TV and there must have been a segment about Ukraine on because all I heard was my mum yell "another 20 billion for Ukraine then?!", she's not even a political person and rarely gets worked up about such things but that really struck a nerve with her.

Everything has gotten so much worse, my home town is pretty much devoid of whites and crimes through the roof to such an extent that we've had to tell my elderly Grandmother that she can't be going down there any more after a mass spree of muggings aimed at old people but were simply not allowed to talk about it in fear of the police coming around and dragging one of us away. IMO give it 3 years and people are going to blow.
 
But what's stopping you from being the change you want to see in the world? If there's no solutions and no hope, why not abandon the sinking ship for someplace with better prospects?
My father in law gets ever more beguiling with his campaign to sell up everything and have us all decamp to the old country. We have the passports. The life would be more rural but in the nice on TV move to the country way. There is extended family there, we'd do well, it's a beautiful part of the world. We would hardly be going far. The kids are young enough and resilient enough to manage just fine. It's not like I have anything to leave behind here.

But I don't want to be a foreigner. Yeah yeah I'd only be a bit of a foreigner, it's not like I'm brown, I have the magic passport blah blah. But still. I don't know how to explain it any better than that.

It's stupid and it's not rational and at some point I will bow to the inevitable. I can't really explain my reluctance. I think if nigel was more into the idea we'd already have gone. I would be taking everything important to me in my life with me. The more I talk about it the stupider I sound for not having gone. I could even get those ducks I want.
 
I visited my mother recently and they had BBC news on the TV and there must have been a segment about Ukraine on because all I heard was my mum yell "another 20 billion for Ukraine then?!", she's not even a political person and rarely gets worked up about such things but that really struck a nerve with her.
Support for Ukraine was (posisbly still is) a fairly popular position, but Starmer latched on to that support to revive his political fortunes in such an obviously cynical way that it has made people instinctively oppose it just to spite him. I cannot express just how much I despise that vapid little twerp. I look forward to his eventual downfall.
 
Back