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Should be a wild four years.

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Isolationist don't seem to understand that its hard to be isolationist when the internet exists.
Reminder that there are still 700+ million Indians who have not gotten online yet. A sizeable amount of the billion Africans that are not online can speak English.
Then you have China and the tech-literate Indians that, every time AI algorithms and hardware improve, they dump improve the quantity and quality of their bot armies. At least with the fuckery from the western financial class and intelligence orgs, you can possibly fix that legislatively (however unlikely that is).

As much as the Internet is a wonderful thing, the deep-seated effects of British colonialism and modern U.S. foreign policy are about to buttfuck the Internet so hard that you'll wish you were had an isolated internet instead. It's arguably already happened, but it's going to get so much worse.
 
The only thing they respect is power. Word-weapons exist merely as tools to gain power, retain power, or prevent you from gaining power. In the end, it comes down to if you have the political will to punch them in the throat and throw them in a oubliette in the Alaskan wilderness for the rest of their lives. They would have no problem silencing their opponents and removing them from society forever, they only thing stopping them is logistics and the power equation. The right lacks this political will, and barring some major shift in politics that will be a "before/after" point of our civilization, always will.
The beautiful thing about them committing a literal terrorism campaign against Tesla owners and dealers is that you can send these spiteful mutants to gitmo and doing so would inspire further spiteful mutants to engage in further terror campaigns out of pure rage, causing more of them to get sent to gitmo. The only pessimistic factor in this equation is estimating how willing the right is to go all the way down this train of thought.
 
Detentions of European tourists at US borders spark fears of traveling to America
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Julie Watson
2025-03-21 04:05:45GMT
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Lucas Sielaff poses for a photo in Bad Bibra, Germany, Thursday, March 20, 2025. (AP Photo/Stella Weiss)

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Lennon Tyler and her German fiancé often took road trips to Mexico when he vacationed in the United States since it was only a day’s drive from her home in Las Vegas, one of the perks of their long-distance relationship.

But things went terribly wrong when they drove back from Tijuana last month.

U.S. border agents handcuffed Tyler, a U.S. citizen, and chained her to a bench, while her fiancé, Lucas Sielaff, was accused of violating the rules of his 90-day U.S. tourist permit, the couple said. Authorities later handcuffed and shackled Sielaff and sent him to a crowded U.S. immigration detention center. He spent 16 days locked up before being allowed to fly home to Germany.

Since President Donald Trump took office, there have been other high-profile incidents of tourists like Sielaff being stopped at U.S. border crossings and held for weeks at U.S. immigration detention facilities before being allowed to fly home at their own expense.

They include another German tourist who was stopped at the Tijuana crossing on Jan. 25. Jessica Brösche spent over six weeks locked up, including over a week in solitary confinement, a friend said.

On the Canadian border, a backpacker from Wales spent nearly three weeks at a detention center before flying home this week. And a Canadian woman on a work visa detained at the Tijuana border spent 12 days in detention before returning home last weekend.

Sielaff, 25, and the others say it was never made clear why they were taken into custody even after they offered to go home voluntarily.

Pedro Rios, director of the American Friends Service Committee, a nonprofit that aids migrants, said in the 22 years he has worked on the border he has never seen travelers from Western Europe and Canada, longtime U.S. allies, locked up like this.

“It’s definitely unusual with these cases so close together, and the rationale for detaining these people doesn’t make sense,” he said. “It doesn’t justify the abhorrent treatment and conditions” they endured.

“The only reason I see is there is a much more fervent anti-immigrant atmosphere,” Rios said.

U.S. authorities did not respond to a request from The Associated Press for figures on how many tourists have been held at detention facilities or explain why they weren’t simply denied entry.

The incidents are fueling anxiety as the Trump administration prepares for a ban on travelers from some countries. Noting the “evolving” federal travel policies, the University of California, Los Angeles sent a notice this week urging its foreign-born students and staff to consider the risks of non-essential travel for spring break, warning “re-entry requirements may change while you are away, impacting your return.”

Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in an email to the AP that Sielaff and Brösche, who was held for 45 days, “were deemed inadmissible” by Customs and Border Protection. That agency said it cannot discuss specifics but “if statutes or visa terms are violated, travelers may be subject to detention and removal.” The agencies did not comment on the other cases.

Both German tourists were allowed into the United States under a waiver program offered to a select group of countries, mostly in Europe and Asia, whose citizens are allowed to travel to the U.S. for business or leisure for up to 90 days without getting a visa in advance. Applicants register online with the Electronic System for Travel Authorization.

But even if they are authorized to travel under that system, they can still be barred from entering the country.

Sielaff arrived in the U.S. on Jan. 27. He and Tyler decided to go to Tijuana for four days in mid-February because Tyler’s dog needed surgery and veterinary services are cheaper there. They figured they would enjoy some tacos and make a fun trip out of it.

“Mexico is a wonderful and beautiful country that Lucas and I love to visit,” Tyler said.

They returned Feb. 18, just 22 days into Sielaff’s 90-day tourist permit.

When they pulled up to the crossing, the U.S. border agent asked Sielaff aggressively, “Where are you going? Where do you live?” Tyler said.

“English is not Lucas’ first language and so he said, ‘We’re going to Las Vegas,’ and the agent says, ’Oh, we caught you. You live in Las Vegas. You can’t do that,’” Tyler said, recounting what happened.

Sielaff was taken away for more questioning. Tyler said she asked to go with him or if he could get a translator and was told to be quiet, then taken out of her car and handcuffed and chained to a bench. Her dog, recovering from surgery, was left in the car.

After four hours, Tyler was allowed to leave but said she was given no information about her fiancé’s whereabouts.

During questioning, Sielaff said he told authorities he never lived in the U.S. and had no criminal history. He said he was given a full-body search and ordered to hand over his cellphone and belongings. He was put in a holding cell where he slept on a bench for two days before being transferred to the Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego.

There, he said, he shared a cell with eight others.

“You are angry, you are sad, you don’t know when you can get out,” Sielaff said. “You just don’t get any answers from anybody.”

He was finally told to get a direct flight to Germany and submit a confirmation number. In a frantic call from Sielaff, Tyler bought it for $2,744. He flew back March 5.

“What happened at the border was just blatant abuse of the Border Patrol’s power,” Tyler said.

Ashley Paschen agrees. She said she learned about Brösche from a TikTok video asking anyone in the San Diego area for help after her family learned she was being held at the Otay Mesa Detention Center. Paschen visited her several times and told her people were working to get her out. Brosche flew home March 11.

“She’s happy to be home,” Paschen said. “She seems very relieved if anything but she’s not coming back here anytime soon.”

On Feb. 26, a tourist from Wales, Becky Burke, a backpacker on a trip across North America, was stopped at the U.S.-Canada border and held for nearly three weeks at a detention facility in Washington state, her father, Paul Burke, posted on Facebook. She returned home Tuesday.

On March 3, Canadian Jasmine Mooney, an actress and entrepreneur who had a visa to work in the U.S., was detained at the Tijuana crossing. She was released Saturday, her friend Brittany Kors said.

Before Mooney’s release, British Columbia Premier David Eby expressed concern, saying, “It certainly reinforces anxiety that many British Columbians have, and many Canadians have, about our relationship with the U.S. right now, and the unpredictability of this administration and its actions.”

The detentions come amid legal fights over the Trump administration’s arrests and deportations of other foreigners with valid visas and green card holders, including a Palestinian activist who helped organize campus protests of the war in Gaza.

Tyler plans to sue the U.S. government.

Sielaff said he and Tyler are now rethinking plans to hold their wedding in Las Vegas. He suffers nightmares and is considering therapy to cope with the trauma.

“Nobody is safe there anymore to come to America as a tourist,” he said.
Deportees from the US hop embassy to embassy in Panama in a desperate scramble to seek asylum
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Matías Delacroix
2025-03-21 06:32:55GMT
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Afghan migrants deported from the U.S. walk to the UN Refugee Agency office in Panama City, Thursday, March 20, 2025, seeking advice on how and where to seek asylum. (AP Photo/Matias Delacroix)

PANAMA CITY (AP) — Migrants from Afghanistan, Russia, Iran and China deported from the United States and dropped into limbo in Panama hopped door-to-door at embassies and consulates this week in a desperate attempt to seek asylum in any country that would accept them.

The focus of international humanitarian concern just weeks before, the deportees now say they’re increasingly worried that with little legal and humanitarian assistance and no clear pathway forward offered by authorities, they may be forgotten.

“After this, we don’t know what we’ll do,” said 29-year-old Hayatullah Omagh, who fled Afghanistan in 2022 after the Taliban takeover.

In February, the United States deported nearly 300 people from mostly Asian nations to Panama. The Central American ally was supposed to be a stopover for migrants from countries that were more challenging for the U.S. to deport to as the Trump administration tried to accelerate deportations. Some agreed to voluntarily return to their countries from Panama, but others refused out of fear of persecution and were sent to a remote camp in the Darien jungle for weeks.

Earlier this month, Panama released those remaining migrants from the camp, giving them one month to leave Panama. The government said they had declined assistance from international organizations, instead choosing to make their own arrangements. But with limited money, no familiarity with Panama and little to no Spanish, the migrants have struggled.

Seeking asylum door-to-door
On Tuesday, about a dozen migrants began visiting foreign missions in Panama’s capital, including the Canadian and British embassies, and the Swiss and Australian consulates with the hope of starting the process to seek refuge in those countries. They were either turned away or told that they would need to call or reach out to embassies by email. Messages were met with no response or a generic response saying embassies couldn’t help.

In one email, Omagh detailed why he had to flee his country, writing “please don’t let me be sent back to Afghanistan, a place where there is no way for me to survive.”

“The Embassy of Canada in Panama does not offer visa or immigration services, not either services for refugee. Nor are we allowed to answer any questions in regards to visa or immigration,” the response read.

At the British Embassy, a security guard handed asylum-seekers a pamphlet reading “Emergency Help for British People.” The Swiss consulate told the group they would have to reach out to the embassy in Costa Rica, and handed the migrants a piece of paper with general phone lines and emails printed from the embassy’s website.

Canadian, British and Australian diplomats in Panama did not respond to a request for comment from The Associated Press. The Swiss consulate denied that they turned away the asylum-seekers.

Panama limbo
The migrants had travelled halfway across the globe, reached the U.S. border where they sought asylum and instead found themselves in Panama, a country some had traversed months earlier on their way to the U.S.

Many of the deportees said they would be open to seeking asylum in Panama, but had been told both by international aid groups and Panamanian authorities that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to be granted refuge in the Central American nation.

Álvaro Botero, among those advocating for the migrants at the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, said he wasn’t surprised that they were turned away from embassies, as such help is often only offered in extreme cases of political persecution, and that other governments may fear tensions with the Trump administration.

“It’s crucial that these people are not forgotten,” Botero said. “They never asked to be sent to Panama, and now they’re in Panama with no idea what to do, without knowing what their future will be and unable to return to their countries.”

The Trump administration has simultaneously closed legal pathways to the U.S. at its southern border, ramped up its deportation program, suspended its refugee resettlement program, as well as funding for organizations that could potentially aid the migrants now stuck in Panama.

Over the weekend, the Trump administration sent more than 200 Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador to be held in a maximum-security gang prison, alleging that those expelled were part the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang without providing evidence.

Limited options remain
On Thursday, the migrants visited the Panama offices of the U.N. refugee agency. Omagh said they were told that the agency could not help them seek asylum in other countries due to restrictions by the Panamanian government. A U.N. official told them they could help start the asylum process in Panama, but warned that it was very unlikely that Panama’s government would accept their claim, Omagh said.

The U.N.'s International Organization for Migration and the refugee agency did not immediately respond to requests for comment by the AP.

The same day, Filippo Grandi, head of the U.N. refugee agency, warned that aid cuts by the U.S. government would hurt refugee services around the world.

“We appeal to member States to honor their commitments to displaced people. Now is the time for solidarity, not retreat,” Grandi said in a statement.

Deportees including Omagh worried that foreign governments and aid organizations were washing their hands of them.

Omagh said that as an atheist and member of an ethnic minority group in Afghanistan known as the Hazara, returning home under the rule of the Taliban would mean death. He only went to the U.S. after trying for years to live in Pakistan, Iran and other countries but being denied visas.

Russian Aleksandr Surgin, also among the group seeking help at the embassies, said he left his country because he openly opposed the war in Ukraine on social media, and was told by government officials he could either be jailed or fight with Russian troops in Ukraine.

When asked Thursday what he would do next, he responded simply: “I don’t hope for anything anymore.”
UN chief pleads with EU leaders not to request rebates amid Trump cuts
Financial Times (archive.ph)
By Henry Foy, Laura Dubois, and Mehul Srivastava
2025-03-21 05:23:09GMT
UN secretary-general António Guterres has asked EU leaders not to request rebates from the New York-based body this year in order to help offset a halt in US contributions that have forced it to slash its operations.

The plea occurred on the eve of a summit of EU leaders in Brussels on Thursday, three officials told the Financial Times.

It comes as the UN’s top humanitarian official said that the budget crisis caused by the Trump administration meant it was being forced to take “life and death choices about where we can best save lives”.

US President Donald Trump has slashed international aid funding, imperilling chunks of the UN’s work which relies on Washington for more than 20 per cent of its budget.

Contributors, such as the EU and its member states, can request their unspent money back — rebates which Guterres pleaded against. The programmes most affected by the US funding cuts include support for about 1mn displaced Rohingya refugees from Myanmar, Guterres told EU leaders, according to the officials briefed on his talks.

UN spending this year would be lower than 90 per cent of the planned budget due to the uncertainty over US funding, according to an internal document seen by the FT.

“In addition to anticipated delays in the approval of bills by the US government, the level of funds might also be a concern,” the UN’s financial department wrote last month, urging officials to “adopt a slower spending pattern”.

Tom Fletcher, the UN’s under-secretary for humanitarian affairs, told the FT that the US had been a “humanitarian superpower for years”.

“Hundreds of millions of lives have been saved because of US funding,” he said. “And suddenly now we’re having to completely redesign our programmes.”

“We’re making brutal choices, life and death choices about where we can best save lives,” Fletcher said.

He said that humanitarian co-ordinators in each country had made plans on which programmes to cut back on. “We’ll give the advice by the end of the week . . . which programmes to scale back and whether there are programmes that we need to stop altogether.”

Some countries were more affected than others by the US cuts, he said, mentioning the Democratic Republic of Congo, where two-thirds of the funding came from Washington.

Fletcher, whose office oversees the entire humanitarian effort across UN organisations, said that almost half of the humanitarian appeals had been funded by the US. “We were massively dependent on, with hindsight overdependent, on one donor.”

He said that the issue of funding was “a much bigger problem than just Washington”, as many European countries including the UK and Sweden were redirecting funds from humanitarian efforts to defence in the context of the threat posed by Russia.

“There’s a very direct trade-off, for example, in the UK, that’s what you hear,” Fletcher said, adding that there were signals that France would reduce contributions, as well as potentially Germany once its new coalition government is formed.

He said that although those cuts were not being made for “ideological reasons” like in the US, “they hurt just as much”.

Fletcher said he hoped the UN would reach more than half the 116mn people they supported last year, despite almost half of their funding previously coming from the US. “It’s got to be more than that.”
 
Reminder that there are still 700+ million Indians who have not gotten online yet. A sizeable amount of the billion Africans that are not online can speak English.
Then you have China and the tech-literate Indians that, every time AI algorithms and hardware improve, they dump improve the quantity and quality of their bot armies. At least with the fuckery from the western financial class and intelligence orgs, you can possibly fix that legislatively (however unlikely that is).

As much as the Internet is a wonderful thing, the deep-seated effects of British colonialism and modern U.S. foreign policy are about to buttfuck the Internet so hard that you'll wish you were had an isolated internet instead. It's arguably already happened, but it's going to get so much worse.
You know what bots are a good argument for isolationism.
 
So it looks like the momentum is starting to slow down, and in response the Trump administration gasps for air. Trump can’t win his court cases so he’s ignoring the judges and Republicans eat it up. NEWS FLASH: executive orders are ephemeral. Do you seriously think a Republican is going to win in 2028? Who do you that’s going to be? Vance? Did you miss all the people on X who made fun of him with memes? He’s done.

Now we have proof that Trump is colluding with Putin as Russia all of a sudden agrees to a ceasefire. What a coincidence! I wonder how many pallets of cash Trump secretly had sent to the Kremlin. St. Basil’s onions have never been shinier!

So while Trump plays fast and loose with law and order who’s watching the fort? Well the minutemen are too busy reading thousands of pages of useless files barely related to the JFK assassination. It’s all a distraction retards. The Republican party is driving off a cliff and we’re in the car seat.
 
tldr: Feds sued to keep DOGE from downsizing them, failed, and tried to barricade themselves in their office. DOGE called the cops to break the door down.
Wrong again, stalker child, it is even more embarrassing:

MPD officers entered the facility through emergency stairs after encountering drawn window shades and barricaded doors on the building’s fifth floor, eventually escorting Moose and other holdout staff off the premises.
They forgot - or were too chicken to, I guess - barricade the emergency stairs. :story:
 
Detentions of European tourists at US borders spark fears of traveling to America
Lennon Tyler and her German fiancé often took road trips to Mexico when he vacationed in the United States since it was only a day’s drive from her home in Las Vegas, one of the perks of their long-distance relationship.

But things went terribly wrong when they drove back from Tijuana last month.

U.S. border agents handcuffed Tyler, a U.S. citizen, and chained her to a bench, while her fiancé, Lucas Sielaff, was accused of violating the rules of his 90-day U.S. tourist permit, the couple said. Authorities later handcuffed and shackled Sielaff and sent him to a crowded U.S. immigration detention center. He spent 16 days locked up before being allowed to fly home to Germany.
I'm not sure of any tourist visa that let's you freely jump between boarders like that outside of maybe the EU. If your on a tourist visa your usually expected to stay in the country or reapply for a new one if you leave and want to come back.
 
Detentions of European tourists at US borders spark fears of traveling to America
Imagine bragging about hating the US and wanting to see it's people killed in islamic terror raids and then the evil orange man just prevents you from coming in. Doesn't he know the US is an economic zone and everyone's entitled to visit it at will?
 
this is not remotely true. the ecoterrorists of the 90s were all networked up, funded by selling drugs, and very very very dangerous. they were suppressed by brutal tactics. the networks still exist and are still surveilled.

it's very hard to find good writeups of what happened in the PNW in the 90s and it's too late for me to look but a lot of people are in supermax behind it.
What happened in some parts was damn near a conspiracy theory.

We're talking mercenaries, black bag operations, dudes being run through the sawmill and thrown in the mill pond, shit like that.

There's a few mineshafts out around Chehalis, Vader, and Onalaska that got some new residents around that time.

Cops and feds didn't give two fucks since it was the only way to break those fuckers. Especially the gang down near Tualatin.
 
The nooticer in me can't help but nootice that the majority of these judges blocking the deportation of viscous rapists and sex traffickers are women.

Too bad internet feminists are retarded otherwise they might learn something valuable here.
Too busy screaming about uplifting and protecting tate brothers who are also known sex traffickers and pedos and about conor mcgregor, a man whose rape victim had to have their tampon surgically removed after rape oh and her partner was stabbed and windows smashed or his record with assault, roberry, drunken driving and more sexual assaults. He was let in the white house and paraded like he dindu nuffin . You white George Floyd just still breathing for now If you want to go whataboutism.

But hey ho sorry for not doing what you want whiny faggot.
 
The Republican party is driving off a cliff and we’re in the car seat.
Good. Fuck the party, it's been a fucking dumping ground of twisted neo-corpo values for a goddamn century, badly kept afloat by occasionally winning key 80/20 issues and then throwing it all away to court democrat bullshit or religiously approved corporate puppeteering. The only thing that has stayed the same about the parties is the progressive democrats being racially motivated socialist supremacists subverting America since before WW1, and promptly spreading that progressivism to republicans as well like cancer.

Anyhows hi George you're so sweet still posting here. I unironically get happy seeing you or fatpacks randomly around, hugs and kisses! Death to the parties!

Also what's your favorite Vance meme? I'm partial towards the one where they babyface him onto models lmfao
 
Under the legal definition of terrorism in the US it wouldn't be considered terrorism:

There's a few things mentioned:
  • (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
  • (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
  • (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;
Destroying megacorp's robot fleet doesn't fall under any of these because it isn't threatening or coercing a civilian population or the policy of a government and doesn't involve violence against a human.
There are provisions for critical infrastructure (such as 5G towers) but megacorp's robot fleet doesn't seem like it has some special legal provision/protection.
uhh my fellow "domestic terrorism" bros I'm not feeling so good :mad:
There is no specific US law against domestic terrorism, but prosecutors can request longer prison sentences if convicted criminals have a terrorism-related motive.

Trump and Musk have called the attacks domestic terrorism, too. Supporters of the administration have also reportedly been "swatted" – subjected to armed police raids after hoax emergency calls.

A statement from the Department of Justice on Thursday did not name the suspects in the Tesla vandalism. However, the details of the three cases outlined in the news release match arrests and charges previously announced by prosecutors.

The suspects include Lucy Nelson, 42, who was charged with possession of a destructive device and malicious destruction of property after being spotted near the site of a Tesla dealership in Colorado.

The dealership had been targeted with a Molotov cocktail attack and graffiti which caused damage of between $5,000 and $20,000, according to a criminal complaint. That suspect has pleaded not guilty.

Adam Matthew Lansky, 41, was charged with possession of a destructive device after Molotov cocktails were thrown at a Tesla dealership in Salem, Oregon. He has yet to enter a plea and will face a preliminary hearing in April.

The third, 24-year-old Daniel Clarke-Pounder, was charged with arson after allegedly throwing Molotov cocktails at Tesla charging stations in North Charleston, South Carolina, and spray-painting the car park.

In a statement, Bondi said: "The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended.

"Let this be a warning: if you join this wave of domestic terrorism against Tesla properties, the Department of Justice will put you behind bars."

The attorney general said the three suspects could face between five and 20 years in prison if convicted.

The BBC attempted to contact lawyers for the three defendants.

Now I was certain a whole bunch of people in this thread insisted this was terrorism and me asking about things "legally" was disingenuous, but I just can't seem to see any actual terrorism charges being brought? Can you?
 
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I'm not sure of any tourist visa that let's you freely jump between boarders like that outside of maybe the EU. If your on a tourist visa your usually expected to stay in the country or reapply for a new one if you leave and want to come back.
It's not a tourist visa, it's a 90 day waiver and you are specifically allowed to take short trips to Canada and Mexico as long as you are still within the 90 days. So if the story is as presented here, the German guy was still within the terms of his stay. However, I know more about two of the other cases, the Welsh girl and the Canadian actress. The Welsh girl was reasonably found to be working during her trip (you are allowed do business under the VWP, as in if you need to attend a meeting for the company you work for but you aren't allowed to take on new work/employment). So the Welsh girl was breaching the terms of the VWP. The Canadian actress was living in LA on a working Visa that became invalid and was trying to do a sneaky work around by going out of and back into the US.

As both of their stories were presented in this article as a strange abuse by border patrol agents, I pretty much assume that there is more to the German guy's story that we aren't being told.

Edit; Lucas Sielaff's issue seems to be that he gave his girlfriend's address as his when questioned at the border. If that is the case, it was an unfortunate mix-up rather than him breaching the terms of the VWP in the way that some of the people in these stories did. That said, if I was crossing national borders as part of my trip to another country, I'd be completely prepared for those parts of the trip. I'd have print outs of my documentation, my home address, the details of my flight home, my job at home, my ties to my family, my home etc. Especially if I was travelling with a romantic partner who was a citizen of that country, because I would have an obvious tie to the country I was visiting, so I'd be making my intention to return home absolutely clear. If I was speaking in foreign language, I would have practiced how to say 'I'm a tourist. I'm visiting from X country, I'm going home on X date.' I'm not going to take any chances when it comes to being misinterpreted, if another country is kind enough to let me visit, I'm going to go out of my way to show that I'm sticking to the terms laid out in the visa or waiver that I'm travelling under. Most especially if I'm crossing a border that has been regularly abused.
 
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It doesn't matter. You don't vote your way out of the mess ireland and all of Europe are in.
Con confirm. Europe is not getting out of it's pit with any sort of political solution. The system is made to ensure that anybody with the desire to do it will be sidelined in parliament. And even then countries start to get mildly serious about the topic like the fucking Swedes, you have such a number of "second generation Swedes" that are a lot more willing to organize and are a lot less bothered by "decorum" so that's how you end up with sandniggers of mayors of multiple european cities now.
 
Now I was certain a whole bunch of people in this thread insisted this was terrorism and me asking about things "legally" was disingenuous, but I just can't seem to see any actual terrorism charges being brought? Can you?
I don't understand what your point is. The act of terrorism and the charges the goverment beings forth are two very different things.
 
this is not remotely true. the ecoterrorists of the 90s were all networked up, funded by selling drugs, and very very very dangerous. they were suppressed by brutal tactics. the networks still exist and are still surveilled.

it's very hard to find good writeups of what happened in the PNW in the 90s and it's too late for me to look but a lot of people are in supermax behind it.
Can you dm me what you find cause I never heard about that.
 
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