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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
He lost me there. You can't argue for integration and comment on how migrants are opening sharia courts and shagging their cousins, then hand-wave away the religion that allows it.
Balls to religious freedoms. We're a Christian nation and it that should be the only religion allowed - I'll give exception to Buddhists because come on, they're Buddhist.
Here's a better way, ask any religious person this queastion. "God has made himself a mortal human on earth, what race is he?" any answers other than white get you put up against the wall.
 
What was that line from the head Buddhist in Myanmar? "You can be filled with light but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog" or something like that.
That quote in particular comes from the Ashin Wirathu, he said: "You can be full of kindness and love but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog." Funny that he's known as the "face of Buddhist terror", Mahakala would be proud.
 
The story
Police have released images of 22 men they want to trace after a large-scale fight in Sheffield.
The disorder took place on Woodbourn Road on 25 May last year, South Yorkshire Police said.
A force spokesperson said officers believed it involved two groups from the Eritrean community, with one faction supportive of Eritrean independence and the other in opposition.
Eighteen people have so far been charged with offences including violent disorder, possession of an offensive weapon and wounding, they added.

According to police, the group opposing independence travelled into the area to target an Eritrean Independence Day celebration taking place at the Pakistan Muslim Centre.
A group of about 200 people gathered at the location, where violence involving weapons erupted both inside and outside the centre and on the surrounding streets.
The centre was damaged along with vehicles parked nearby.

The spokesperson said "multiple" people were injured, including some seriously who required hospital treatment.
Det Insp Lee Wilson said the force's investigation had been "moving at pace".
"We will continue our inquiries until we have brought the people responsible before the courts, to be held accountable for their actions," he added.
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HMRC worker wins £25k payout after boss sent unwelcome birthday card https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...assment-25k.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Interesting that caring for someone's welfare means that the "victim" of their actions get a payout.
  • Kani Toure 'clearly explained' she wanted contact at a minimum while off sick
  • But she was contacted 'more than once every other day', then sent the card
A HMRC worker who complained after her boss sent her a birthday card when she had said she didn't want to celebrate the occasion has won £25,000 for harassment.

Kani Toure was off sick with work-related stress when she 'clearly explained' she wanted correspondence to be kept to a minimum and via email, an employment tribunal heard.

But they sent her a birthday card anyway despite expressly telling her manager she didn't want to mark the occasion.

A judge concluded this was 'unwanted conduct' and that the 'repeated contact' she received while off sick was harassment, adding that HMRC's duty of care would have been 'more effectively observed by complying with her expressed wishes'.

After winning ten claims of race and disability harassment and discrimination, Ms Toure has now been awarded £25,251.62 in compensation including £20,000 for injury to feelings.

The tribunal in south London heard Ms Toure - who is a French national of African origin and Muslim - started working as a customer service consultant at the Croydon office in October 2019.

In March 2020, due to Covid, she started working from home.

In July 2020, after difficulties claiming utility expenses, she told boss Hugh Henderson via email she had been discriminated against, 'mostly because of my foreign accent and origin', although this was ignored.

Then, on Ms Toure's first birthday during her time working there - on August 2, 2020 - he mentioned in a meeting that it was her birthday.

'He had a practice, at that time, of keeping a list with the birthdays of each member of his team on it,' the tribunal heard.

'His evidence was that he would use the list to wish members of his team a happy birthday, and if it was a "special" birthday he would arrange a card from the whole team.

'His evidence was that more than half of team leaders would have done similar things at the time.'

The next day, Ms Toure emailed him saying although it had been 'very kind', she wasn't celebrating it for 'personal reasons' and asked her details be taken off any birthday list, which they were.

Mr Henderson apologised and explained that he would remove her birthday from his list.

By September 2020, the tribunal heard Ms Toure felt she was being 'left out' of training opportunities compared to her colleagues and made an informal complaint which she later said should be treated as a grievance.

In November 2020, she submitted a formal 11 page long grievance which contained 'a number of allegations against a range of colleagues'.

As a result, she was transferred to HMRC's Canary Wharf office on a temporary basis for six months. It was heard she was told she would have to withdraw her grievance if she wanted the transfer to be made permanent.

In June 2021, she saw occupational health, where a report found a tumour caused her pituitary gland to produce too much of a hormone called prolactin which could trigger migraines.

The panel heard the report said she suffered from symptoms of stress, anxiety, migraine, vertigo, weight loss, poor sleep and low mood. She was subsequently on sick leave from June 30, 2021.

The tribunal heard Ms Toure asked that correspondence only be done if 'essential' - and be conducted by email, as interactions made her 'emotional'.

However, in the month that followed, she was sent 11 emails to check she was 'alright' as well as a birthday card.

As Ms Toure had transferred to a different team with a new manager, Mr Henderson had not had the chance to brief her new boss about her birthday wishes.

As a result, she was sent a birthday card in August 2021 - something that the panel heard 'always' happened to new members of the team.

The panel heard this 'repeated contact' had 'exacerbated' her symptoms.

Ms Toure remained absent from work until she was sent a letter in November 2021, warning her she faced 'formal steps regarding her sickness absence'.

She then took HMRC to the tribunal, making over 20 allegations of race and disability harassment, as well as discrimination and victimisation. Ten of her claims were successful.

Employment Judge Adam Leith said: '[HMRC]'s conduct, in repeatedly contacting [Ms Toure] during the early part of her sickness absence, was unwanted.

'She had asked for correspondence to be kept to a minimum, and to be by email only.

'While she could have been more proactive in reporting her absence, she had clearly explained why she wished for correspondence to be kept to a minimum.

'The birthday card was also unwanted, in the sense that she had told Mr Henderson that she did not want her birthday to be marked.'

The judge said the 'repeated contact' created a 'hostile and intimidating environment' for her.

'[Ms Toure], having asked [HMRC] to keep correspondence to a minimum, was then contacted 11 times in a three-week period - on average, more than once every other day.

'It is in our judgment impossible to separate the treatment (continuing to contact Ms Toure repeatedly despite being asked not to do so) from the fact that she was absent for a reason which was linked to her disability.

'[HMRC]'s explanation for the treatment was that (in essence) they had a duty of care to [Ms Toure] and had to check on her welfare.

'We have some doubts about that.

'In the circumstances, [HMRC]'s duty of care would on the face of it have been more effectively observed by complying with her expressed wishes.'

The judge said Ms Toure had been victimised by Mr Henderson when her complaints were 'ignored' and said the offer of a permanent transfer in exchange for withdrawing her grievance amounted to race harassment.

Ms Toure also won a claim of disability harassment after an HMRC report claimed her complaints were 'baseless' and 'made as a result of the medication she was taking for her tumour'.

She also won a claim of disability discrimination after being told 'formal action' would be taken about her continuing sickness absence.

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Those doctors and engineers look very industrious. Must be the economic rocket fuel the cunts in power keep importing.
Also can we crush everyone at the bbc. They’ve got some wog worship crap on now about the 100 most influential people and it’s a fucking poet.
Whoopdefuckingdo.
I’ll just reply to my own post but the only person the bbc can find to interview about the Heathrow fire is either an exceptionally ugly woman or a Troon.

Squash all of them into a pink paste.
 
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Seems odd to talk about demographics, immigration, but then end it on some CivNat stuff with a Sikh but I'll play devil's advocate and say it might have been necessary to avoid getting removed from his shadow secretary position and removed from the party altogether for doing a racism.

Aw man, I'm going to risk the neg-rates for saying this. What are The Farms for, if not unpopular opinion? It's true from my experience:-

The Sikhs are mostly alright, if not proper Anglo. If we're going to have oddities here, they're the type we want. They know they stand out as different, what with their funny hats and everything, but they tend to absolutely respect and love our culture. For the most part, anyway. No Sikh ever nail bombed a children's concert here (did they?)

I'm not a fucking softy. I can see what's wrong with how multiculturalism has played out. It can be shit. Ruinous.

What I'm saying is that, of the immigrants, turban-type is the model the rest should follow.
I'd be okay inviting one to my barbecue (because they strictly refuse to eat halal meat – based indeed).
 
If we're going to have oddities here, they're the type we want.
Why do people still think along these lines ? What about we just have none at all instead of 'oh mr singh from the paki shop is alright let's import millions'. Canada has a massive Sikh population and look how that's worked out for them. You have to start from zero and work your way down to even begin to fix the mess of multi culti.
 
Why do people still think along these lines ?
Agreed.
Australia has Sikhs and they're notorious for child abuse and domestic violence.
They're great at astroturfing the internet and pretending to be good because they're not Muslim or Hindu.

Yeah, and E.Coli is better than botulism and Hepatitis A but I still don't want it in my food.
 
Aw man, I'm going to risk the neg-rates for saying this. What are The Farms for, if not unpopular opinion? It's true from my experience:-

The Sikhs are mostly alright, if not proper Anglo. If we're going to have oddities here, they're the type we want. They know they stand out as different, what with their funny hats and everything, but they tend to absolutely respect and love our culture. For the most part, anyway. No Sikh ever nail bombed a children's concert here (did they?)

I'm not a fucking softy. I can see what's wrong with how multiculturalism has played out. It can be shit. Ruinous.

What I'm saying is that, of the immigrants, turban-type is the model the rest should follow.
I'd be okay inviting one to my barbecue (because they strictly refuse to eat halal meat – based indeed).
I think it operates on the same logic as some people having a zero-tolerance outlook on the gays and LGBT as a whole — stick with me a moment — since conceding some ground to them and giving them some of what they wanted (Gay marriage, the right to exist, etcetera) trojan horsed some rather unsavoury things into contemporary society in record time, even if it wasn't the direct fault of every gay guy for it happening. It took less than a year or two after gay marriage was legalised nationwide in America for example for trans stuff to enter public discourse. This niche group of the Alphabets suddenly seemed to be everywhere and in your face and people were campaigning for them and wanting access to your children. It's all rather horrifying how quickly shit hit the fan in regards to that, even if in the UK it took a year longer.

When it comes to immigrants and other minority groups there's a similar level of hindsight afforded in giving them any sort of leeway at all. I've certainly had good experiences with individuals and whatnot, and when they're present in small numbers and humble they tend to be well turned out in wider society. But once they're here in large enough numbers to essentially function as a parallel state, insisting upon their own special rights and privileges, demanding concessions from everyone else in broken English, you begin to regret letting them in to begin with. Just like trannies are spoiling things for the gays, Muslims (Primarily Pakistani and Bangladeshi) are spoiling things for every other non-white group in the country by just being awful. The main issue I highlighted is mostly one of rhetoric. If you're choosing to be selective with what minority groups you consider a problem whilst lauding others, it might be easy to appeal to your emotions in not being as strict with the measures you wanted to implement for the problem group because if there's the odd good Sikh then there's the odd good Muslim too, even if I think that the proportionality of good Sikhs might be higher per capita than the proportion of good Muslims. The CivNat angle he's voicing was pretty much how most Western nations operated I think for decades after WW2, then it changed to minority groups being celebrated and their identities being reinforced rather than integrated into their host nations, which might've been fine if they didn't number in the millions at that point so you're pretty much encouraging them to not integrate and think of themselves as being special since they're not apart of the majority, which breeds entitlement.

If you make it clear there's a problem with demographics, full stop, it might imply you're actually willing to take measures to actually fix it. He went as far as mentioning the existence of Shariah courts, the shrinking white population in our schools, etcetera. But then to prop up the Sikh man after all that it implies your issue with demographics might be more of an optics problem than anything else. Muslims like that Sikh man do exist, the sort that will emphasise that they are British whilst still adhering to their belief system. The inclusion of the Sikh anecdote implies that if every Muslim spoke English and deigned to call themselves British the situation would be fine. You can't integrate a minority group in the culture of the majority if you allow the minorities to hold onto their old culture and a significant way. Even the Sikh man who continues to wear his turban, is is likely to pass that part of his identity down to his kids, and his kids might not be as eager to proclaim how proud they are to be British as he is. Verbally you just can't allow there to be room for exceptions, even if your actions in the end show a clear bias in favour of some groups over others.

The TLDR of what I'm saying is: CivNat rhetoric can undercut your entire position and makes you look weak on what is a very serious issue. It is simply not possible to integrate the millions of non-natives already here to get them to the level of a model minority Sikh.
 
Government considering sending failed asylum seekers to Balkans

Failed asylum seekers could be sent to the Balkans under plans being considered by the government.

Home Office officials have discussed proposals to set up overseas "return hubs" to house asylum seekers who have had their claims rejected and all appeals exhausted.

The proposals, which are at a "very early stage", according to a government source, would involve payments to host countries for each person removed from the UK.

The prime minister has pledged to tackle the crisis of people crossing the Channel on small boats and to "significantly" cut net migration.

He previously scrapped a Conservative scheme to send migrants who had arrived in small boats to Rwanda to have their asylum claims processed there.

Unlike that scheme, the new proposals would apply only to asylum seekers whose claims had been rejected and who had no further routes of appeal.

Overseas centres would enable the government to remove failed asylum seekers who come from countries deemed unsafe for them to be returned to, such as Iran and Somalia, as well as to host other rejected claimants before transfer to removal flights to their home countries.

The proposals follow moves by the European Commission to endorse the use of "return hubs" by members of the EU.

Earlier this month, it put forward a proposal for members to use return hubs as an "innovative" solution for "migration management".

It said families with children, and unaccompanied children, would be excluded from the scheme.

Any return hub scheme would require officials to strike deals with countries housing the centres.

The current proposals are focused on countries in the western Balkans – a region which includes Albania, Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Labour believes the scheme could save money by speeding up the removal process and increase the numbers involved.

Last year, there were 9,151 asylum-related returns, 36% more than in 2023.

Officials believe it could also help to alleviate the pressure on local authority budgets from failed asylum seekers who are homeless and whom they are legally obliged to support.

However, any scheme involving overseas centres for migrants is likely to face legal challenges as well as fierce opposition from refugee charities.

Italy has sought to process migrant claims at two detention centres in Albania but has been blocked from doing so by the Italian courts.

A government source said the issue was "a shared challenge right across the world and we've always said this international problem needs an international solutions".

"That's why we're looking at the widest possible set of options with a completely open mind.

"Any scheme we'd consider would always need to meet the test of being affordable, workable and legal."

Conservative shadow home secretary Chris Philp said: "The fact Labour is now looking at offshore processing shows they were wrong to cancel Rwanda before it even started and shows their attempts to 'smash the gangs' have dismally failed".

He claims Labour had "lost control of our borders" and added that they should "urgently start the Rwanda removals scheme".

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said the number of people crossing the Channel was "really worrying".

More than 5,000 migrants have arrived in the UK after crossing the Channel on small boats so far this year, according to latest figures.

Speaking to reporters in Harrogate during the Lib Dem spring conference, Sir Ed said he was "glad that the government scrapped the Rwanda scheme because it wasn't working as a deterrent".

"In fact, hardly anybody went, and it was costing huge amounts of money. If they've got a better scheme that will work, we'll look at that".

He called on the government to speed up processing times to save taxpayers money.

Enver Solomon of the Refugee Council criticised the government's proposal.

"Headline-grabbing gimmicks and knee-jerk, very costly, initiatives like this seem to be more about sounding tough than actually solutions that will work," he told the BBC.

"We know from our work that working with people and supporting them to return to the countries they've come from is far more successful than shipping them somewhere like Albania where they're going to be detained in what will inevitably be prison-like conditions."

It's not quite the Rwanda scheme and has a huge loophole, in that people will be allowed to reside here while their asylum application is processed. Once they're even remotely settled anywhere, they can use the ECHR to force the government to let them stay indefinitely, regardless of status. I like how they now say the rwanda scheme wasn't working because almost nobody was deported, after spending every waking moment blocking it through the courts or through protests in order to prevent anyone being deported.

Also, 5000 people known to have crossed the channel on small boats in the last three months, plus however many came in by other means. It might be better to assume closer to 10,000.
 
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