At Three Years Old, Their Child Expressed a Trans Identity. What Did They Do?

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As a toddler, Daisy Morningstar often reached for her mother’s clothes to play dress-up and loved anything bright and sparkly, like many other little girls do. But Daisy wasn’t born into a society expecting this behavior from her. Assigned male at birth, Daisy was 3 years old when she expressed to her parents, Eli and Joanna, that she preferred to go by a girl’s name and wear feminine clothes.

Eli and Joanna aren’t sure how their daughter, now 4, picked her new name, but they suspect she was inspired by Princess Daisy, one of her favorite characters in Mario Kart.

While many parents wouldn’t embrace their child’s desire to present as transgender at such a young age, Eli and Joanna, who are both trans, have a personal understanding of the importance of respecting gender identity.

“If somebody is expressing something to you clearly and consistently, especially as a parent, you have two choices: Either you try to beat it out of them, or [you] accept them where they are,” says Joanna, a 34-year-old who works in tech in Brooklyn, who remembers suppressing feelings of gender dysphoria as early as 8 years old.

But can a preschooler really have that level of understanding when it comes to their gender identity? While some may be skeptical, Dr. Michele Hutchison, a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of New Mexico, who has treated around 600 transgender youth, says she’s seen patients like Daisy before. “I'd say a good 30% of my patients are very solid about their gender by the time they can speak,” Dr. Hutchison, who started treating trans kids in Arkansas in 2017, told Uncloseted Media.

And a 2008 study that reviewed 110 responses from trans adults in the United Kingdom found that a majority of participants recalled first becoming aware they were trans around age 8. Roughly a third of respondents—36 people—say they were aware by age 6. And 11 respondents said they knew by age 4.

Since Daisy chose her new name and told her parents she is “a she-person,” Eli and Joanna have allowed her to grow her bright blonde hair shoulder-length. Both Daisy and her 6-year-old sister, Sophia, who is cisgender, often wear dresses inspired by Elsa, their favorite character in “Frozen.” Joanna and Eli asked Daisy’s school to refer to her as Daisy and to use she/her pronouns, to which her teachers obliged with no issue.
To some, these changes may seem drastic. But Joanna and Eli say they’ve made a big difference to their child’s wellbeing. Before Daisy presented as a girl, Jonna described her daughter as “withdrawn” and “somber.”

“She'd get angry. She would start viciously misgendering her sister; she would misgender me. And you’re like, ‘What's going on?’” Joanna recalls. Since changing her name, hair and clothes, Daisy’s behavioral issues have dramatically improved.

In addition, Daisy’s teacher—who was originally worried about Daisy being held back from advancing a grade because she was so quiet—told Joanna and Eli that she has become more talkative in class. “After, she wasn't worried about that anymore,” Eli told Uncloseted Media.

To Joanna and Eli, embracing Sophia’s cisgender identity is no different than supporting Daisy. Contrary to folks who may suggest Eli and Joanna are pressuring their child to adopt a trans identity, they feel they are granting both of their children the agency to live authentically. “It’s obvious that the kids aren't being pushed around by us. They know what they want to do, and the only question is whether they know it's an option,” says Joanna.

Given Eli and Joanna didn’t begin transitioning until adulthood, they acutely understand the damage that would be done to Daisy if they rejected her gender identity. Eli says his earliest understanding of being transgender came in the first grade when he preferred to wear boys’ bathing suits during swimming lessons.

Eli was raised by his aunt and uncle, a trans man, until age 8, after which he moved in with his mother and her partner. Though Eli had a trans role model in his childhood, it didn’t make his coming out experience any easier. He remembers expressing feelings of gender dysphoria around age 5 or 6 and how it “stressed out” his uncle. Eli attributed his uncle’s stress to “the same rhetoric we see now about transgender people of, ‘You're going to convince them to join your lifestyle.’”

In the current political climate, trans kids are under attack and their parents face accusations—that aren’t supported by evidence—of pedophilia, grooming and indoctrination.

President Trump recently signed an executive order aimed at limiting trans youth’s access to gender-affirming care. In addition, Trump has repeatedly and falsely suggested schools were indoctrinating students into becoming transgender and performing gender reassignment surgeries without parental consent. In October, Trump told a crowd of 20,000 at Madison Square Garden, “We will get … transgender insanity the hell out of our schools.”

“[Joanna] is deeply scared to be a visibly trans woman out with children,” Eli told Uncloseted Media. “Because of what is said about us, the groomer rhetoric, I don't think she's wrong to be scared.” Though Eli embraces Daisy’s gender identity, he isn’t immune to the power of transphobic narratives. Looking back, he says, “[My aunt and uncle may have] felt some anxiety about their kids being queer because it could reflect badly on them. So, when Daisy asserted that she is a girl, I certainly felt some of that come up for me.”

Eli takes solace in having seen his older daughter express a female gender identity before Daisy had. “It helps a lot that we had Sophia first because of the absolute sameness of their starting to express their genders, and that gender being ‘girl.’ I have less uncertainty and more clarity [with Daisy]. That is what self-expression looks like.”
According to Dr. Hutchison, Eli’s anxiety over Daisy’s gender identity is common in queer parents of trans children. “I have had genderqueer and gender non-conforming parents who are not excited about the fact that their children are gender non-conforming because they themselves had to walk a difficult pathway. They don't want difficulty for their children. They want life to be easier for their child than it was for them,” says Dr. Hutchison.

Eli is inherently aware of the difficulties Daisy would face if she had parents who weren’t affirming. He remembers experiencing intense gender dysphoria himself and feeling trapped in a body against his will.

Joanna, who grew up in a “charismatic, Evangelical family,” had no trans or queer role models growing up. The first time she can remember anything LGBTQ-related being discussed was on a drive with her father. “He announce[d] that homosexuality is a problem. The quote I remember was, ‘I'm not saying that it is, but you at least have to consider the possibility that HIV is punishment for sodomites.’ This was the environment that I grew up in,” she says.

In an email, Joanna’s dad told Uncloseted Media: “I don’t remember saying anything like this and certainly do not believe it now and never have … Joanna and I do not speak regularly anymore, which saddens me greatly.”

After going through experiences of suppressing their trans identities, Eli and Joanna feel it’s critical that Daisy feels heard.

They reject a worldview in which being trans is cause for fear and are instead focused on Daisy’s well-being. “It's my job to figure out how we get from where we are to where she wants to be in a way [that] is respectful and doesn't lock her into anything early. We're not crazy people,” says Joanna. “We're not doing anything that you couldn't reverse.”
For now, any physical intervention that Daisy may want in the future wouldn’t be a consideration for many years, until Daisy is closer to puberty. Joanna’s emphasis on giving her youngest daughter room to grow and change is an important part of Daisy’s story. On a recent trip to the Brooklyn Children’s Museum for a pajama party night, Daisy sat with her father while decorating a plastic construction helmet with alphabet stickers, spelling out her name. But in addition to writing “Daisy,” she also chose to spell her birth name.

For the remainder of the party, Daisy ran around in pink pajamas and matching sneakers, wearing a helmet labeled “Isaac” on one side and “Daisy” on the other. “Daisy's been pretty genderfluid lately and sometimes prefers to present as a boy, other times as a girl,” says Eli.

Eli’s method of gently asking Daisy what she wants is the approach Dr. Hutchison suggests to parents of genderqueer children. “I like to use the word ‘affirming,’ which just means if the child comes to me and says, ‘I'm a boy,’ you say, ‘That's great. What would you like to wear today? What name do you want to go by?’ Give that child space to see who they are,” she says.

Philip Graham, professor emeritus of Child Psychiatry at University College London, is slightly more cautious. He suggests “gentle discouragement” to dress in the opposite sex to the one assigned at birth. “I would just say, ‘I'm not sure that's right,’ and see where you go from there,” he told Uncloseted Media.

If a child remains consistent in their gender identity by age 9 or 10, “You've got a difficult decision to make with a trans child [about] whether you're going to embark on puberty blockers or not,” Graham says.
Though Graham and Dr. Hutchison suggest slightly different initial approaches to a child expressing a trans identity, their views converge on the matter of a child’s agency.

“We have a somewhat inflated idea of the importance that parents have. Children are their own people; they make decisions,” says Graham.

Both Graham and Dr. Hutchison also agree on the importance of moving slowly and thoughtfully when it comes to healthcare for transgender youth. “As somebody who works with children, we don't do any of this quickly. We take our time. We're very conscientious, we're very conservative, and we want to make sure we got it right,” says Dr. Hutchison.
Eli and Joanna are taking Daisy’s gender fluidity one day at a time. In the last few months, Daisy has often asked to be referred to with he/him and they/them pronouns and—in many instances—has asked to be called Isaac. “There are times when she insists that her full name is Daisy Tulip Mac and Cheese. [4]-year-olds are silly, uninformed humans. [But] they're still humans. They still know what they want,” says Joanna.



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“She'd get angry. She would start viciously misgendering her sister; she would misgender me. And you’re like, ‘What's going on?’” Joanna recalls. Since changing her name, hair and clothes, Daisy’s behavioral issues have dramatically improved.
Sub in some madlibs words from your least favorite religion and savor how obviously abusive this is. In Christianity we would call it spiritual abuse, on top of being psychological abuse.
Eli was raised by his aunt and uncle, a trans man, until age 8, after which he moved in with his mother and her partner.
For those who skipped to the comments, note this part.

"Eli" (Elizabeth) was raised by her lesbian aunt and partner, one of whom pooned out.

After a bit she returned to live with her mother, who it is implied ambiguously may have ALSO been a lesbian.

Two lesbians in one generation of daughters- I wonder who up the chain achieved that?

This looks like an unbroken family tradition of sexual abuse and grooming- grandparents to lesbian aunt to "Eli" to the trooned out kid.
I get the feeling this isn't the first article that's been written about them & you remembered their hippie-dippy names faster than you'd like.
I don't think there was a previous one, there are just too many damned people like this out there these days.

I searched just now and at least they have never been mentioned on KF before.
At the risk of sounding like an autist; doesn't the name "Morningstar" have rather biblical connotations? Of a particular individual that seeks to lead all the children astray and lure them into temptation and eternal suffering?

Seriously, what's with the typical leftist/woke tendency to pick these ridiculously edgy handles? They sound like a bunch of 10-year-olds.
My thought immediately when I saw that it wasn't the birth surname of either half of the couple, nor were they Morgensterns or anything like that. It was pulled from thin air and is likely a coy satanic reference.

"Eli" is very active on Reddit, I have been out all morning and have not had a time to archive beyond the front page, but you can learn a lot more about this little cult family by reading her bloviating over there. For instance, they are already looking for puberty blockers:

Hospitals in NYC have canceled all appointments for Supprelin implants for trans minors. Is it a good idea for me to point the parents of these kids towards Powers Family Medicine?
She is having "gay" extramarital hookups with Orthodox Jewish men:

I was at a gay party last night and hooked up with an Orthodox Jewish person who noticed I'm a trans man, and asked lots of questions about how transition works because they want to be a woman.

I forgot at the time, but Becoming Eve by Abby Stein is by a trans woman who was born the male heir of a rabbinic dynasty. Here's a review: https://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/becoming-eve I recommend the book, wish I'd had it in mind last night!

She has a new onset stutter:

I'm 29M, currently taking testosterone for gender transition and no other medication. I started stuttering a little five months ago, and it's been getting more frequent and harder to stop since then. Told my PCP about it and she shrugged and said "SLP?" Seems like good advice - there's a lot of contradictory and confused-seeming opinions online about how to stop stuttering when it came on suddenly in adulthood, and what might be the cause. OTOH, I regularly see a psychiatrist, an endocrinologist, and a physical therapist, and I'm not looking to add a fourth specialist to that mix unless I actually need to. If any of y'all have insight it would be appreciated.

The stutter happens more when I'm low on sleep or multitasking. It seems to not be caused by anxiety, but causes anxiety itself - as it happens I get a spike of panic in my chest. I can usually get around the stutter by picking a different word, or by stopping the sentence and waiting a few seconds. I'm in the market for techniques that are less obtrusive or work better.

She recently had her ovaries out and despite being a normal weight for height, is prediabetic:


Transgender man with eosinophilic esophagitis. I take testosterone 0.3ml/wk of 200mg/ml, and wellbutrin 150mg XR. Here's a post I made two years ago, about symptoms relevant to this post.

I got bloodwork done at my well visit last month, and the values out of range were eGFR (borderline low, 90) , cholesterol (borderline low, 95) , and A1c (5.8, low end of prediabetic range). That A1c has been creeping up for the last four years. Chronic symptoms with no known cause include strong relentless thirst, peeing often (every 15-45 minutes most days and 2-3x most nights), feeling shaky and flushed 20-60 minutes after I eat, and peripheral numbness + difficulty breathing + strong weariness when I try to stand for more than a few minutes (lying, sitting, walking/running/exercise are all fine).

I'm confused because my BMI is 20.5, I get >100 minutes a day of cardio (bike my kids to school), and I don't eat a lot of sugar. My diet is mostly meat, dairy, vegetables, potatoes, and rice - a normal day's food might be one coffee (2 tbsp grounds brewed, with half-and-half) and oats with heavy cream+raisins for breakfast, glass of milk around 11, plate of shepherd's pie around 1, bowl of beef-and-vegetable stew around 5, and an 8oz cup of hot chocolate around 8. I don't eat anything with wheat, because my wife has celiac disease and I don't want her to get sick. I also don't eat eggs or soy because they trigger my EOE.

Not sure what's up with the A1c, how to get it down considering I don't eat a lot of carbs and do exercise a lot, or whether it could be causing my symptoms - prediabetes is normally asymptomatic, right? Can a person be fully diabetic with borderline-prediabetic A1c? Is it worth getting a glucose monitor and checking my own blood sugar every hour for a day, or is diabetes the wrong tree to be barking up? I've asked my medical team about all of this, but I get care from a rotating team of RNs none of whom seem strong on the diagnostics end of medicine (sorry).
 
More info on these disgusting parents:

There is plenty to see on the wide open FBs:

Terrible news- they are hooked in to the "less wrong" rationalist whatever cult. Cow crossover with Eliezer Yudkowsky:

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This is likely the lesbian aunt or the lesbian mom. Joan Mariner. Her partner's name is Twinkle Ann Morton. Yes that is the current legal name.


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Twinkle has since deceased.

Troon is a double threat, a tech guy from britbongistan:

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Used to look pretty normal:

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The troonout and poonout appears to have really taken off in the midst of childbearing:

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TLDR.

Holy Jesus Christ. Had to stop even scanning this since I didn't want to barf up lunch.

No way in hell can a three-year-old express such sentiments. All the three-year-olds I have ever seen, and have seen/fathered/grandfathered my share, are still getting used to the concept of girls and boys.


Everyone wanted this mission. We drew names, I stayed out.

Ken, please warm up the helicopter, you're flying left seat. Check ride for you, Milton is check pilot. Will, please fly right seat. Anita and Kira, please assist Mike, the crew chief, after the rest of us have completed the special processing.
 
At the risk of sounding like an autist; doesn't the name "Morningstar" have rather biblical connotations? Of a particular individual that seeks to lead all the children astray and lure them into temptation and eternal suffering?

Seriously, what's with the typical leftist/woke tendency to pick these ridiculously edgy handles? They sound like a bunch of 10-year-olds.
Left hand path folk will look you in the face and tell you they are are normal people just like you and I, while openly choosing the names Trisha P. Morningstar, Jacob R Mastema, and William Q. LiterallyfuckingYalbadoth. 9/10 times, it's an attention thing to make them seem more special than they really are, because most people in this scene suffer from an extreme "Requires external validation to survive" curse.

Essentially, they've built their entire lives and identity on an illusion, that needs constant external validation, whether good or bad, to remain ongoing. It is a flame with no substance that once you stop feeding it, it dies down. That's literally pretty much the joke with the left hand path, constantly gorging yourself on illusion and delusion to keep it going to the point you start adopting literal names of the Devils into your name for attention, torturing your own children for the sake of your illusion, and outright rejecting objective reality in lieu of your subjective perspective.
 
Most US states have laws that say adults can sue for 10 years for anything that happened to them before age 18. They don't need their parents. They can just get a lawyer once they're 18+.

The only way to stop the most fringe doctors from harming minors (in blue states) is by nailing their medical malpractive policies. Bankrupt these motherfuckers in civil lawsuits, and eventually their insurance carriers will refuse to insure gender-fuckery monsters. That will drive them out of business.
The choker was my TL;DR.
It's a dead give away. May as well wear those blue and pink striped thigh highs, too.

Any XY male wearing that combo should be burned alive on TV.
the only other group I know about that thinks of children as mini-adults are Scientologists.
May I introduce you to: 12 yr old girls + Islam?
 
Yeah, I saw the first pic and thought “Is that a tranny?”, then I saw the last name Morningstar and knew where this story was headed. It makes me sick to my stomach. And this is why I don’t feel bad for pooners either. They’re so fucked up in the head, they’ll do this to their own child and force them to call a male predator “mom.”
 
Terrible news- they are hooked in to the "less wrong" rationalist whatever cult. Cow crossover with Eliezer Yudkowsky:

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I recognize the name:
The Grognar thing actually let me figure out who Liz is. Beyond that - well those Facebook screencaps are kinda damning. I went to one of the bigger anti-uh, rationalist people out there on twitter and apparently this is the tip of the iceberg. However between community omerta and expensive lawyers on retainer, apparently nothing can be done,

edit: brent is still scared the rest of the group will murder him.
  1. some autistic girl, Elizabeth, was so abused by being raped repeatedly by a super vetted member of their community (Brent Dill) that she also decided to LARP as a boy and fled to washington and tricked a guy into having a kid. I'm sure her brush with rats has been a great thing for her life
  2. Above girl married an autistic sadist named Nick Tartleton that made her available to Brent. Nick went as far as to pay for Brent to move to California, then just let him rape his wife. Nick used to be some upper guy in one of the three rationalist companies, they attempted in app search, then realized that actual business was too hard and folded. Nick blew through some bitcoin money, like the fucktards they all are, and is currently in the "everyone that sucks my dick gets money" MIRI/CFAR club, and gainfully employed. No repercussions for ruining elizabeth's life
The core problem, if you read all the tldr stuff, is that CFAR put a mentally ill homeless guy (Brent) in charge of keeping a 19 year old girl (Liz) quiet about all the important community figures that had sex with her when she was 14, and then when Brent didnt know how to handle it they had Liz's pro-domme (Brienne) give him pointers, which Liz retroactively called rape, which the community decided was a better story than "oh yeah we all totally passed her around when she was underage".

Meanwhile Kathy Forth, Grognar, etc were killing themselves, Eric Bruylant and Ziz were getting arrested, Epstein was breaking, and SneerClub was forming, and the only mental health professionals in the group were judiciously avoiding getting their hands dirty.
TLDR: Eli ran away from home at a young age (maybe 14?), hooked up with the rats, started sleeping around with the rats, wound up in the bay with some of the rats, hooked up with the local BDSM scene with Yud's wife, had various shenanigans with $$$ high-rollers, eventually married one of the rats right as she turned 18, continued doing risky shit with Yud's wife until Brent Dill showed up and they informally "assigned" him to "handle" her (his words). "Married her to shut her up" is probably equally informal (there were people, like Anna Salamon, whose job it was to "coordinate" and "suggest" these kinds of solutions to problems.)
She ran away from home as a teenager, got involved with rationalists who introduced her to polyamory and bondage, married a guy as soon as she turned 18, got some crazy guy to be her babysitter and to try to keep her quiet about being passed around when she was was underage. She later had accused that guy of rape, and there was a big attempt in the community to hush it up.

She's also affiliated with Aella Martin, who's claimed that childhood molestation isn't necessarily traumatizing and groomed her sisters into prostitution. The whole thing gets more messed up the more you learn about it.
 
More info on these disgusting parents:

There is plenty to see on the wide open FBs:

Terrible news- they are hooked in to the "less wrong" rationalist whatever cult. Cow crossover with Eliezer Yudkowsky:

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This is likely the lesbian aunt or the lesbian mom. Joan Mariner. Her partner's name is Twinkle Ann Morton. Yes that is the current legal name.


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Twinkle has since deceased.

Troon is a double threat, a tech guy from britbongistan:

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Used to look pretty normal:

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The troonout and poonout appears to have really taken off in the midst of childbearing:

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Depending on which child caused them to trans out, there's a non-zero percent chance the name was because of nothing more than Hazbin Hotel.

Given their family histories though, it's almost certainly for occultic reasons.
 
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At Three Years Old, Their Child Expressed A Trans Identity (And Other Shit That Didn't Fucking Happen)
Fixed that for you. I don't hold with doxxing, on principle, but when it comes to these... people it's entirely warranted. It's necessary. God only knows what they've already made this child do.
 
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She ran away from home as a teenager, got involved with rationalists who introduced her to polyamory and bondage, married a guy as soon as she turned 18, got some crazy guy to be her babysitter and to try to keep her quiet about being passed around when she was was underage. She later had accused that guy of rape, and there was a big attempt in the community to hush it up.
She is still friends with Nick Tarleton, who I assume is the ex husband, on FB.
 
Trannies make up less than 1% of the population.

What are the odds of a “trans kid” just happen to be born into a family that already has two trans members?

Strange eh?

Obviously, both “parents” should be wall’ed. I just hope that the poor boy only got groomed instead of getting groomed AND diddled.

Also: “I’m a she-person!” WTF says that? Not a three year old, that’s for sure.
 
Trannies troon out toddler. Wow. Who would have thought?
Eli and Joanna are taking Daisy’s gender fluidity one day at a time. In the last few months, Daisy has often asked to be referred to with he/him and they/them pronouns and—in many instances—has asked to be called Isaac.

There's still hope then. But I fear that the tranny parents won't let their kid grow out of it that easily.
 
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I found the lesbian/pooner aunt pair.

Female-identified female half is Kaseja Wilder aka Margaret Wilder, a counselor in Eugene, OR.
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Pooner half is "Martin Wilder" aka Colleen Foxwell or Colleen Wilder
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Impossible to say for certainty with the info I have, but I believe the non-pooner one is the one who is biologically related to Elizabeth.


They appear to have raised two zoomer kids together, Mariner and Malachite.

Both have loaded up the UHaul and moved on since then. "Martin" (Colleen) is with someone named Paige per FB. But uh, per her FB gallery, I have no fucking clue what is going on:
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Highly disturbing "art":
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Aha- the odd troon-looking pregnant woman is not Paige, but a third "wife" yet, Beth Emily Sheppard.
 
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