Eliezer Schlomo Yudkowsky / LessWrong

[Zonga]

Also note that Ziz is a mentally ill transexual, who is known to selectively edit conversations with others, who DEFINITELY believed in weirder supernatural stuff than a Mage:the Ascension RPG, and who got arrested with four other similarly eccentric types for pulling a gonzo protest at a CFAR event during COVID.

The core problem, if you read all the tldr stuff, is that CFAR put a mentally ill homeless guy (Brent) in charge of keeping a 19 year old girl (Liz) quiet about all the important community figures that had sex with her when she was 14, and then when Brent didnt know how to handle it they had Liz's pro-domme (Brienne) give him pointers, which Liz retroactively called rape, which the community decided was a better story than "oh yeah we all totally passed her around when she was underage".

Meanwhile Kathy Forth, Grognar, etc were killing themselves, Eric Bruylant and Ziz were getting arrested, Epstein was breaking, and SneerClub was forming, and the only mental health professionals in the group were judiciously avoiding getting their hands dirty.

 

[Edict of Expulsion]

Finally got an account so I could share some links with you folks.

An Open Letter to Vitalik Buterin

I hope this letter finds you in good health. Unfortunately, the topic of this letter is grim. Your $4.4million dollar donation to the…

fredwynne.medium.com

Brent Dill Confessions Full Redacted – Sinceriously

sinceriously.fyi

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Abuse in the Rationality/EA Community

Update: I regret writing this. Nothing great was going to come out of it and it probably hurt some vulnerable people. I mostly wanted to clarify that the behavior of the community leadership was at…

deluks917.wordpress.com

Quis cancellat ipsos cancellores? • by ~silsyn-wathep

archived 10 Dec 2021 19:48:36 UTC

archive.ph

TLDR: demon summoning cult antics and sexual abuse of minors at scale.

scott is taking loads at the rational shindigs - he's not asexual

(also the sexual assault at vibecamp got hushed up quick - there's quite a lot of sexual assault stuff behind the scenes)

Holy shit. This is gold. Thanks for signing up and posting! Try to get sneer clubbers in if you can, they seem to know a bunch.

Someone triggered archives of all of these but here they are for reference:

An Open Letter to Vitalik Buterin | by Wynne | Medium

archived 20 Feb 2023 19:02:19 UTC

archive.is

Brent Dill Confessions Full Redacted – Sinceriously

archived 21 Feb 2023 00:41:34 UTC

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tangled_girl comments on Something weird is happening at CFAR

archived 20 Feb 2023 19:02:34 UTC

archive.is

tangled_girl comments on Something weird is happening at CFAR

archived 20 Feb 2023 19:02:34 UTC

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Abuse in the Rationality/EA Community – deluks917

archived 20 Feb 2023 19:02:40 UTC

archive.is

Quis cancellat ipsos cancellores? • by ~silsyn-wathep

archived 10 Dec 2021 19:48:36 UTC

archive.ph

This really could be a thread of its own. Effective Altruism.
What Buck Shlegeris and claire zabel did to Marie La.
The 5 underage girls getting passed around.
Louie Helm being excommunicated
Scott Alexander Siskind trying to do damage control, keeping his own crimes from coming out

I thought FTX was bad but holy fuck when it comes from this group.

Gonna take some serious autism to comb through this

Also note that Ziz is a mentally ill transexual, who is known to selectively edit conversations with others, who DEFINITELY believed in weirder supernatural stuff than a Mage:the Ascension RPG, and who got arrested with four other similarly eccentric types for pulling a gonzo protest at a CFAR event during COVID.

The core problem, if you read all the tldr stuff, is that CFAR put a mentally ill homeless guy (Brent) in charge of keeping a 19 year old girl (Liz) quiet about all the important community figures that had sex with her when she was 14, and then when Brent didnt know how to handle it they had Liz's pro-domme (Brienne) give him pointers, which Liz retroactively called rape, which the community decided was a better story than "oh yeah we all totally passed her around when she was underage".

Meanwhile Kathy Forth, Grognar, etc were killing themselves, Eric Bruylant and Ziz were getting arrested, Epstein was breaking, and SneerClub was forming, and the only mental health professionals in the group were judiciously avoiding getting their hands dirty.

Marie La is still OnlyFans whoring. Possibly still prostituting?
No one has touched on the Tilia Bell and Yudkowsky regularly paying whores.

But of course Yudkowsky, predator kike that he is, would love as much free access to vulnerable girls as possible, and his partner in crime Anna Salamon would do whatever it took to keep the ship sailing.

Holy fuck
This is gold
Reposting the bottom one and the one below is from the link of it for visibility

Wayback Machine

archived 21 Feb 2023 00:15:17 UTC

archive.is

An Open Letter to Vitalik Buterin | by Wynne | Medium

archived 20 Feb 2023 19:02:19 UTC

archive.is

 

[Zonga]

Strongly counsel against getting sneerclub involved, they are rabid aloggers and deliberately amplified and exaggerated claims at various times in order to stir shit up.

Like I said, they're run by people with explicit vendettas, who are at least as crazy as the people they're targeting.

Marie La is still OnlyFans whoring. Possibly still prostituting?
No one has touched on the Tilia Bell and Yudkowsky regularly paying whores.

But of course Yudkowsky, predator kike that he is, would love as much free access to vulnerable girls as possible, and his partner in crime Anna Salamon would do whatever it took to keep the ship sailing.

Note that Marie La was introduced to prostitution by Aella, who also helped her and Liz write and distribute the expose against Brent (these happened at approximately the same times).

Aella has since been tearing through the community, dismantling any power base other than her own (hence the Leverage drama, OAK/MAPLE drama, etc).

 

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@aromatic @Zonga guys you gotta stop double and triple posting.

Also maybe try and consolidate what info you have on the rationalists and sneerclub and build a timeline to establish who is and isn't trustworthy? There's a lot of names getting thrown around, a lot of articles and substacks that are too hard for a relative outsider to follow, and a lot of factional community dynamics at play that make a lot of the info seem unreliable at best.

 

[Edict of Expulsion]

Note that Marie La was introduced to prostitution by Aella, who also helped her and Liz write and distribute the expose against Brent (these happened at approximately the same times).

Aella has since been tearing through the community, dismantling any power base other than her own (hence the Leverage drama, OAK/MAPLE drama, etc).

Yeah I've been meaning to do a writeup of Marie La in the Aella Rachael Slick thread. If someone beats me to it that's fine too


By the way, wow:

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/JCyX29F77Jak5gbwq/ea-sexual-harassment-and-abuse?commentId=BvAiKpoeFHqFR6BFN

https://archive.is/ix4eO

Hi Catherine, thank you for clarifying what measures were taken regarding each instance reported in the TIME article and for directly addressing each point.

Spoiler: Having millions yet using a rando to do Sexual Assault damage control

Hi Catherine, thank you for clarifying what measures were taken regarding each instance reported in the TIME article and for directly addressing each point.
Regarding my previous post, here's more context from a previous discussion on why I haven't yet involved CEA's Health team: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/sD4kdobiRaBpxcL8M/what-happened-to-the-women-and-effective-altruism-post?commentId=MxJqDoNTqLxkPthzy° I'll probably share more thoughts, especially regarding why I spoke to TIME, women-friendly culture updates a movement can take and more perspectives when time permits me to think more clearly about this topic and write them down. Obviously, SA is a high stress discussion; a lot of context is lost in translation and in medium of communication; people can misrepresent/misinterpret; people also have jobs and other commitments; but I'm hoping we will have more clarity over time/ update to a better state overall as a society given enough time.
Meanwhile, I'd like more clarification on one matter. I'm one of those people who connected Charlotte, the author of the TIME article with the curious case of the Aurora Quinn Elmore, an unofficial SA mediator who interviews people via facebook and recommends actions for accused and accuser in EA-adjacent/rationalist communities in the bay. This person was introduced to the EA-adjacent group house situation by an active EA (out of good intentions/ lack of awareness I think, it was a high stress situation and all sides were acting sub-optimally) and it was told to me that this EA got the idea of involving the mediator from her work of mediating SA cases at CFAR or Center For Applied Rationality. I was told that this person has mediated at least 5+ SA cases as far as this EA knows, and probably more. Can you verify this information? How many cases has she mediated in totality? Why is CFAR with millions in funding using an unofficial individual (who is a PM in her day job) with no formal training in / affiliation to women's organizations to arbitrate SA cases? Some women who have had their situations arbitrated by this mediator have told me that they faced retaliation for speaking up, that they were informed of a "no-gossip policy", ie, if the mediator has arbitrated the case and ruled in favor of an accused and if the accuser then speaks about the case to her friends or others, she will face consequences up to and including career consequences and being removed from communities. Can someone from CFAR share more context/data? Thank you.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

So the inner core of these guys are hardcore Mage the Ascension fans (Brent here inc) and apparently believe they have IRL occult power because of this. I really wish I was making this up.

Yikes, I hope they don't read what I've said about Aella in her thread. The last thing I need is some kind of rationalist coven sending scientifically based magic spells at me. I've got enough problems what with my abject stupidity plus the crippling anxiety from knowing the Kiwi Farms is still up and able to murderrape people.

 

[Piss!]

autism

ELIZA is not "the same thing" as a multi-billion parameter neural network, maybe you should "get to talking to" some smarter "experts" who have read a paper from the last fifty years.

 

[Zonga]

Huh. The "$5k to take down your post about Aella" reminded me of something:

Someone named joshin, who worked with Lauren Lee at a buddhist retreat that was working with CFAR before Aella attacked it, once alleged that he had proof that Aella had paid an undisclosed amount of bitcoin (but at least several thousand dollars' worth) to have the initial allegations against Brent written, and/or to have corroborating evidence fabricated.

I do not remember the details sufficiently to google them.

Edit: apropos of nothing, this is Ziz (upper right) and their protest/suicide/murder pact gang:

 

[Voskhod]

Also note that Ziz is a mentally ill transexual, who is known to selectively edit conversations with others, who DEFINITELY believed in weirder supernatural stuff than a Mage:the Ascension RPG, and who got arrested with four other similarly eccentric types for pulling a gonzo protest at a CFAR event during COVID.

The core problem, if you read all the tldr stuff, is that CFAR put a mentally ill homeless guy (Brent) in charge of keeping a 19 year old girl (Liz) quiet about all the important community figures that had sex with her when she was 14, and then when Brent didnt know how to handle it they had Liz's pro-domme (Brienne) give him pointers, which Liz retroactively called rape, which the community decided was a better story than "oh yeah we all totally passed her around when she was underage".

Meanwhile Kathy Forth, Grognar, etc were killing themselves, Eric Bruylant and Ziz were getting arrested, Epstein was breaking, and SneerClub was forming, and the only mental health professionals in the group were judiciously avoiding getting their hands dirty.

Can you tell me about Grognar? He was just before my time and all the memorial stuff seems scrubbed now. :/

Also some new Ziz hijinks: https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509

 

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Can you tell me about Grognar? He was just before my time and all the memorial stuff seems scrubbed now. :/

Also some new Ziz hijinks: https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509

Good lord...

 

[Markass the Worst]

Also some new Ziz hijinks: https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509

Jesus fucking christ that's a huge loredump. No surprise that one of the crazies ended up being really crazy to the point of committing actual murder.
Archive btw.

 

[Zonga]

Can you tell me about Grognar? He was just before my time and all the memorial stuff seems scrubbed now. :/

Also some new Ziz hijinks: https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509

Grognor was basically a bitter sometimes-incel with a bunch of mental health issues that didnt know how to act upper-class enough for the LW community to adopt and fund him they way they normally do.

He and Liz had a falling out about the same time Liz was playing with a trans kid named "Meimei" whose main thesis was literally "rape can absolutely be declared retroactively if the girl decides later that she didnt like it, no matter how enthusiastically she said 'yes' at first". This led to some friction and danger for grognor, so he fled the community, but they still felt like his family so he kept in touch online until he killed himself.

This woulda been while Liz and Brienne were also dating one of the higherup VPs of Google in some kind of kink thing, which all got brushed under the table when the Louie Helms stuff came out (bc she was 15-16 at the time).

Also note that Liz's husband Nick was absolutely cucked and did nothing without Ana Salamon (Yudkowsky's close friend/advisor/co-founder of MIRI and CFAR) telling him to. Him marrying Liz when she turned 18 to help cover up the situation was almost certainly Ana's idea.

 

[Voskhod]

Did Liz remarry to a tradcath at some point too?

 

[Markass the Worst]

Sneer Club thinks Ziz stabbed the landlord in self defense because "muh transphobia", says stabbing landlords is Good, Actually and is not sure what to do about Ziz murdering people because "muh police brutality" and "muh stochastic terrorism".

source (a)
Even granting that landlords are shitty and police are pigs, this doesn't justify murder and especially not the double murder of a couple that Ziz (allegedly) participated in. SneerClubbers are turning into the very thing they make fun of, overly intellectual retards coming up with wild big brain rationalizations to justify their morally abhorrent ideas.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Sneer Club thinks Ziz stabbed the landlord in self defense because "muh transphobia", says stabbing landlords is Good, Actually and is not sure what to do about Ziz murdering people because "muh police brutality" and "muh stochastic terrorism".
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source (a)
Even granting that landlords are shitty and police are pigs, this doesn't justify murder and especially not the double murder of a couple that Ziz (allegedly) participated in. SneerClubbers are turning into the very thing they make fun of, overly intellectual retards coming up with wild big brain rationalizations to justify their morally abhorrent ideas.

They were always those people, it's just that hot housing themselves on the net with their fellow spergs has made them worse at hiding it.

 

[Zonga]

Yeah like I said, sneerclub are all psycho a-loggers, esp Jax Bryk (polyamorous_nephandus) and the rest of the SJW brigade.

A lot of the rape rumors around Brent, Michael Vassar, etc were deliberately concocted by the SJW branch of sneerclub in the beginning, to attempt to "bring attention to the inherent misogyny of the EA community".

 

[Voskhod]

Zonga - this link in particular might be of interest to you: https://archive.ph/SFCwS it mentions the BTC bounty and the false rape rumors.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Sam Altman tweeted this pic of Eliezer, him and Grimes together:

source (a)
Replies are all clowning on them:

source (a)
SneerClub is having fun too:

source (a)

 

[Polish Businessman]

A lot of the rape rumors around Brent, Michael Vassar, etc were deliberately concocted by the SJW branch of sneerclub in the beginning, to attempt to "bring attention to the inherent misogyny of the EA community".

Ah, the "well, yeah, this one is fake, but at least we started a conversation" pattern. It's all so tiresome.

 

[crowabunga]

Yeah like I said, sneerclub are all psycho a-loggers, esp Jax Bryk (polyamorous_nephandus) and the rest of the SJW brigade.

A lot of the rape rumors around Brent, Michael Vassar, etc were deliberately concocted by the SJW branch of sneerclub in the beginning, to attempt to "bring attention to the inherent misogyny of the EA community".

Sneer Club is - like many left-wing web communities - so moralizing, so holier-than-thou, and so generally full of "might makes right" cancel culture gossip and hyperbole that even when they have a point about their targets being retard freaks, their gleeful and careless axe-grinding will keep cultists reinforced in their lunacy and make some on the fence people positively disposed towards the rat cult if only out of resentment for the Sneerclubbers' remarkable insufferability.