The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished - Slate magazine broken-clocking it in review of "Leaving Neverland" sequel

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The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished​


The sequel to Leaving Neverland is here, but the original is nowhere in sight.​


When Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO a little over six years ago, the two-part, four-hour documentary sparked a long-overdue reckoning with the legacy of Michael Jackson. Composed largely of interviews with two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who say that Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them when they were children, the movie seemed to be the tipping point after nearly three decades of rumors, investigations, and out-of-court settlements, prompting a flood of media coverage that included more than a dozen articles in Slate alone. The #MeToo movement had, it seemed, inaugurated a cultural sea change. The rich and famous were no longer considered innocent by default, and their accusers were not immediately suspect. We would never see MJ the same way again.

Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson, director Dan Reed’s sequel to his bombshell documentary, was released on Tuesday. But this time, it was greeted with virtual silence. Whereas the first movie premiered at the Sundance Film Festival to a room packed with journalists, the second simply popped up on YouTube, less than a month after the entertainment industry trades broke the news of its existence. As of midafternoon Friday, it had 38,000 views.

At a little over 53 minutes, Leaving Neverland 2 is more of an update than a self-contained work, mostly covering Robson and Safechuck’s attempts to pursue legal action against Jackson’s estate in the years since the first movie aired. But if you’re looking to refresh your memory of the original film, you’ll have to make do with the new one’s brief excerpts, because Leaving Neverland effectively no longer exists, at least in the U.S. Relying on a nondisparagement clause in a deal to air a 1992 concert, Jackson’s estate sued HBO for breach of contract, and after five years in court, the network agreed to a settlement that included permanently removing the movie from its Max streaming platform; although Leaving Neverland was released on DVD, the disc is now out of print, and a used copy is nearly $100 on eBay. (In an unexpected twist, you can still stream the film in the U.K., where plaintiff-friendly libel laws usually make it much more difficult to report on public figures, and the second part was broadcast on Channel 4 this week.) MJ, the stage musical based on Jackson’s life, was nominated for 10 Tonys and is now in its fourth year on Broadway; the Cirque du Soleil spectacle set to his music is still running in Las Vegas; and a Hollywood biopic, directed by Training Day’s Antoine Fuqua, has already been filmed, though its release date is uncertain. #MeToo has become #NeverMind.

On its own, Leaving Neverland 2 is, unfortunately, not much to speak of. At Sundance, Reed said that he shot interviews with attorneys on both sides of the case but opted not to use them, focusing exclusively on Robson, Safechuck, and the families. In the sequel, lawyers take center stage. Vince Finaldi and John Manly, whose California practice specializes in civil litigation related to sexual abuse, ably guide us through the basis of their lawsuit, which alleges that the companies Jackson formed to manage his affairs should be held liable for his actions even after his death. But while they convey a sense of dedication to the cause, they can’t be as compelling as Jackson’s alleged victims themselves.

For years, Jackson and his representatives, both legal and public, have argued that his accusers are motivated solely by the desire for money. (The Hollywood biopic is reportedly mired in legal issues because its third act depicts the family of Jordan Chandler, the then-13-year-old who accused Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993, as money-grubbing opportunists.) And they’ve pointed to the fact that Robson and Safechuck both defended Jackson in court. Leaving Neverland devotes a good chunk of its length to explaining why they lied under oath, and although the sequel repeats that explanation in truncated form, it takes time to walk an audience through the emotional logic of defending your alleged abuser, time this brief addendum doesn’t have. As for being in it for the money: With Jackson dead, there aren’t many avenues for justice available to his alleged victims except for the monetary rewards of a civil judgment and the attendant public vindication. And even if their motivations are financial, his estate’s seem unlikely to be less so—especially since megastars like Jackson are most profitable when they’re reinjected into the culture over and over again, and that’s a lot harder to do when the good feelings associated with their songs become associated with a toxic personal brand.

That’s why the most fascinating part of Leaving Neverland 2 has almost nothing to do with Robson and Safechuck. After years of failing to get an on-camera response from Jackson’s estate or his family, Reed turns instead to his fans, who are as much the guardians of his legacy as anyone who holds the rights. Most take Jackson’s side, of course, with one suggesting that Leaving Neverland, which went to almost unbearable lengths to describe when and how Jackson allegedly abused his victims, didn’t go into enough specifics to be convincing. (A clearly stunned Reed asks, off camera, “That wasn’t detailed enough for you?”) But one, a middle-aged Black man identified only as “Z,” says that watching the original documentary set him on a path of questioning and reinvestigating everything he thought he knew. And when he dug around, he says, “I didn’t like what I saw.” It’s a reminder of how powerful the impact of Leaving Neverland was, and of how ominous it is that, at a time when media access is under the near-total control of streaming conglomerates, it’s possible for a movie of such historic and cultural importance to simply disappear.
 
Is there any actual evidence that MJ was a pedo, or did he simply know too much and had to be thrown under the bus? I guess now is as good as time to revive this discussion as any.
Nope. Evan Chandler, father of the first """""victim""""" made the whole thing up because Michael wouldn't buy him shit. This documentary does a great job of tearing the narrative to shreds:

 
He was totally a pedo and I think he drugged his victims.

Way too many "sleepovers" with little boys where it was just the two of them.
Jesus fuck. Michael didn't drug or rape anyone. The vile waste of oxygen that was Evan Chandler did drug his own son with what used to be considered a "truth serum" that actually made people extremely susceptible to coercion/false memory and fed him talking points. There were no solo sleepovers.
 
Nope. Evan Chandler, father of the first """""victim""""" made the whole thing up because Michael wouldn't buy him shit. This documentary does a great job of tearing the narrative to shreds:

I always figured that Sony or whoever his label was threw him under the bus after he started being too loud about the kikes. I never looked too far into his pedo allegations because I never paid attention to MJ that much to begin with, my understanding is that he went off the deep end the same way Kanye did rather than just straight up trying to diddle kids cause fuck it, he's the King of Pop and can get away with it.
 
I always figured that Sony or whoever his label was threw him under the bus after he started being too loud about the kikes. I never looked too far into his pedo allegations because I never paid attention to MJ that much to begin with, my understanding is that he went off the deep end the same way Kanye did rather than just straight up trying to diddle kids cause fuck it, he's the King of Pop and can get away with it.
I've seen people do Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to dismiss evidence for MJ's innocence - like chalking up Jordan Chandler claiming Michael was circumcised when he wasn't to the kid just not knowing what the word "circumcised" means (Jordan himself was circumcised and would've noticed the difference) - but there's one piece of evidence that shuts everyone up right rapid. The first civil suit (yes, there were multiple) was filed more than a decade before any criminal action was taken. They didn't care about having this "monster" locked up and away from any other children he could hurt. They cared about getting his money. Michael Jackson was an incredibly kind and generous person whose kindness and generosity was taken advantage of by a lot of people.

There's a clip in the documentary I posted that shows Corey Feldman - a very high profile victim of child molestation - talking about being asked to just add Michael to his list of abusers. They thought so little of his very real trauma that they asked him to just throw another name on the list like it's a goddamned party invite.
 
I always figured that Sony or whoever his label was threw him under the bus after he started being too loud about the kikes. I never looked too far into his pedo allegations because I never paid attention to MJ that much to begin with, my understanding is that he went off the deep end the same way Kanye did rather than just straight up trying to diddle kids cause fuck it, he's the King of Pop and can get away with it.
Yes I definitely got the feeling that he raped a few kids but was also massively insane in other ways. The inconsistent stories that one boy told do sound like the muddled recollections of someone who was very high at the time. Jackson had a Dr. Nick from a young age and I could see him sharing pills and shots with literal children then fucking them because he thought that an adult with money and power just has that right. Molesting those kids was not a shocking or sudden development unless you're one of those people who'd never heard of the Kevin Spacey allegations until the MSM reported on them.
 
This documentary is a perfect example of why you should never blindly believe testimony without analyzing the evidence as a whole. The so-called "evidence" these dudes presented was full of holes, not just lapses in memory, as you sometimes see in other cases, or the exaggerations of mentally ill fantasists, but outright fabricated lies meant to get money. Of course, the media won’t say that, because according to liberal values, lying about sexual abuse is something that doesn't happen. Apparently, some people are evil enough to abuse a child, but no one would ever lie about abuse according to them.


By the way these dudes implied that Bret Barnes was abused, Barnes has always denied it. He's some regular dude who works for a Casino, he could use the money if he was indeed abused, or ask for a payout, but he has denied anything ever happened to him. If we have to believe people why do we have to believe the two dudes who are suing for money vs one dude who has nothing to gain from this.
 
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It's possible there was something to it, because lol hollywood weirdo, but they picked the absolute least credible witnesses to run the claims with. The severe liability issues surrounding these people is why the doco was removed from distribution.
Don't forget he was also criminally prosecuted twice by one of the best funded DA's offices in the country and they didn't get anywhere near past a reasonable doubt. I wouldn't vouch for his total innocence, and he was definitely a huge weirdo, but they ultimately didn't have him on shit.
Of course, the media won’t say that, because according to liberal values, lying about sexual abuse is something that doesn't happen.
Unless it's about a troon then it's always lies since troons NEVER do anything wrong.
 
I wouldn't vouch for his total innocence, and he was definitely a huge weirdo, but they ultimately didn't have him on shit.
I would highly recommend watching Square One, the documentary I posted above. The allegations were fabricated by a failed musician who wanted to ride the coattails of a close family friend to fame. Evan Chandler fabricated the whole story. At one point, he was getting so unhinged that his ex-wife started recording phone calls with him. There is an audio recording of Chandler saying that he was going to accuse Michael of molesting his son. It cannot be overstated just how much of a vile, repulsive monster Evan Chandler was.

Jordan Chandler has never spoken publicly about Michael Jackson. His allegations are what every other """""victim's""""" allegations are based on. No other """"""victim"""""" has been able to provide any factual information beyond the information he provided about Jackson's estate. He was a close family friend of the Chandlers. Jordan stayed over at Michael's place, but Michael also stayed over at the Chandler house many times.

Something worth pointing out is that Michael Jackson's bedroom was massive. It had 2 stories and 3 bathrooms iirc. When someone says they were in Michael's bedroom, you need to keep that in mind. They weren't curled up in the same tiny bed.

For whatever fucked up reason, people desperately want to believe Michael Jackson was a child molester. He wasn't. He was a genuinely wonderful person who was taken advantage of and extorted by an incredibly vindictive and putrid cunt named Evan Chandler. There were so many grifters who tried claim they or their children were hurt by Michael. Most of them were weeded out early on, but Robson and Safechuck have managed to stick around.
 
Something worth pointing out is that Michael Jackson's bedroom was massive. It had 2 stories and 3 bathrooms iirc. When someone says they were in Michael's bedroom, you need to keep that in mind. They weren't curled up in the same tiny bed.
I was just about to say.

Michael Jackson's bedroom was bigger then the house I grew up in.

Was he weird? Yes. I think he was trying to have some kind of vicarious childhood with them, but drug and rape? Naaaah...
 
Why is nobody ever mentioning the fact that by now there should be hundreds of victims speaking out. Where are they?
Not just that, but Michael Jackson was not just a man but an entire enterprise. There were assistants, production staff, tour members, security guards. I think I've only ever heard of a couple of security guards side with the accusers, and the other 90% can't corroborate any aspect of these claims.
I always figured that Sony or whoever his label was threw him under the bus after he started being too loud about the kikes.
It wasn't just that, I also recall some issues because he bought out the Beatles catalogue or something and Sony was trying to get their hands on it as well. It wasn't until after he did that these attacks began. But maybe someone more familiar with MJ HIStory can correct me.
 
Was he weird? Yes. I think he was trying to have some kind of vicarious childhood with them, but drug and rape? Naaaah...
From what i remember his brothers/dad would constantly bring women to fuck in the same bedroom as him and would just tell him to stfu when he tried to complain, add the no childhood thing, his family hating him after puberty, the pepsi incident, being surrounded by parasites and yeah no shit the guy ended up being a weirdo
 
I always figured that Sony or whoever his label was threw him under the bus after he started being too loud about the kikes.
This is exactly what happened. I think it's probably hard for anyone under 30 to really understand how MASSIVE of a star MJ was and they simply couldn't afford him telling too much truth about kikes so they had to destroy his credibility.

Imagine the celebrity level of Taylor Swift and multiply it by 100 - now imagine what they would do to Taylor if she started talking about her experiences with kikes.
 
He was either lying then (under oath!) or he's lying now.

Tom Mesereau (MJ's lawyer) explained how ridiculous Wade’s story was:

- MJ was supposedly fine with his lawyers calling one of his alleged victims as a witness, even though they weren’t that close at the time.

- MJ’s private detective interviewed Wade but couldn’t tell he was lying or notice anything suspicious.

-Mesereau, a highly intelligent and experienced lawyer, also couldn’t detect any dishonesty coming from Wade.

- Wade was cross-examined by an experienced prosecutor who asked him very detailed questions. He answered “no” and performed well on the stand, according to Mesereau, who considered him a great witness for the defense.

Sometimes, actual victims of sexual abuse lie on the stand, but they usually have a reason like being children protecting a family member, being in love with their abuser (which is common in cases involving teenage girls) or trying to keep their job. In most of these cases they testify because they are asked to.

Wade, however, volunteered to testify in defense of Michael. He could have easily avoided it.
 
Don't forget he was also criminally prosecuted twice by one of the best funded DA's offices in the country and they didn't get anywhere near past a reasonable doubt. I wouldn't vouch for his total innocence, and he was definitely a huge weirdo, but they ultimately didn't have him on shit.
Tom Mesereau (MJ's lawyer) explained how ridiculous Wade’s story was:

- MJ was supposedly fine with his lawyers calling one of his alleged victims as a witness, even though they weren’t that close at the time.

- MJ’s private detective interviewed Wade but couldn’t tell he was lying or notice anything suspicious.

-Mesereau, a highly intelligent and experienced lawyer, also couldn’t detect any dishonesty coming from Wade.

- Wade was cross-examined by an experienced prosecutor who asked him very detailed questions. He answered “no” and performed well on the stand, according to Mesereau, who considered him a great witness for the defense.

Sometimes, actual victims of sexual abuse lie on the stand, but they usually have a reason like being children protecting a family member, being in love with their abuser (which is common in cases involving teenage girls) or trying to keep their job. In most of these cases they testify because they are asked to.

Wade, however, volunteered to testify in defense of Michael. He could have easily avoided it.
yep. Mesereau himself:

and then here's the PI:

and as for Safechuck, he was a literal nonentity in the 2005 trial.
 
Is there any actual evidence that MJ was a pedo, or did he simply know too much and had to be thrown under the bus? I guess now is as good as time to revive this discussion as any.
It's hard to prove someone wasn't, but pretty much all the evidence for has been thoroughly debunked and the accusers and esp. their parents have their credibility in shreds.

The moment I started looking into it in any detail, the entire thing collapsed and I've been angry ever since. They destroyed a superbly talented artist whose only crime was to enjoy playing with kids and entertaining kids. What have we become as a society where that has become a bad thing?

I recall an interview with another musician from Live Aid (an event that many of the worlds' top stars participated in) talking about how Michael Jackson had perfect pitch. They asked for a certain C note and nothing to tune against, MJ just belts it out. Perfectly.

Why is this guy the one hollywood rapist everyone defends? He had a shitty fucking childhood, but so did Roman Polanski.
Roman Polanski verifiably on record sodomised an underage girl. MJ did not. There's your difference in why we defend one and not the other.

"jew me, sue me"

"Kick me, kike me"

I can't unhear it, does he really say those things?
Yep. One of his finest songs, imo: "All I Want to Say is that They Don't Really Care About Us."

Can't state things more clearly than that title. And a message that some people really need to hear.

The whole "giving children alcohol, and those drunk children being able to perfectly describe his genitals" part
FYI, this is the drawing of Michael Jackson's penis that the witness provided.

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Michael Jackson was obviously a very disturbed individual. But his accusers were, in fact, money-grubbing opportunists. And to be clear, his accusers were the parents of those kids, not the kids themselves (and later, after Jackson's death, those two grifters who made brand-new accusations for the "documentary" payday). Jordan Chandler, the original "victim," fled the country to avoid testifying in the criminal trial a decade later, and Chandler's father committed suicide after Jackson's death, possibly due to his conscience finally catching up to him.
 
He had a shitty fucking childhood, but so did Roman Polanski.

Roman Polanski admitted what he did, pled guilty, and then fled the country to avoid having to face the consequences. And before you inevitably bring it up, I do not give two shits that his victim, now a grown woman, just wants to forget being raped by him. He should be in prison.

I consider it a point in MJ's favor that the Culkins (not just Macaulay, but Kieran and some of the other siblings who stayed at Neverland) and Corey Feldman have consistently maintained that they were never molested by him.

I agree, especially Feldman. That guy is fucked up, but if Jackson was one of the men who fucked him up, he would have said so long ago, especially when he had the opportunity to join the pile-on with that "documentary."
 
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