Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

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Considering some of the footage leaks we've seen throughout this very thread, a mere group chat leaking doesn't surprise me at all — the guys on the ground routinely leak helmet cam videos after all.

SCIFs are for bitchmade pussy ass bitches, says SECDEF. Grow a pair and plan a war through your non-secure phone.

You don't want this tough guy calling you bitchmade right? Look at those tough guy and crusader tattoos.

 

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Considering some of the footage leaks we've seen throughout this very thread, a mere group chat leaking doesn't surprise me at all — the guys on the ground routinely leak helmet cam videos after all.

Go Pros "leak" cause guys want ass pats for kicking doors to coon tunes. I think its debatable if the group chat leak was deliberate or due to actual retardation. Media representatives are occasionally allowed to sit in on talks like this but there are explicit guidelines for what and when they are allowed to report on. Odds are this information was intended to be released via journo but there was zero thought given as to how that would occur. The Pentagon has a sectioned off areas for journos to sit in where the CIA can feed them info as they see fit. Regardless, Signal doesn't meet the guidelines for security and shouldn't be used for shit like this.

 

[deleuzeon]

I tend to think it was due to actual retardation, because it wasn't even about anything important. The media seized on the leak itself rather than the content of the leak which was basically nothing. I don't think most people even knew which bombing any of this was in reference to when they heard the news. I might be projecting though.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

I tend to think it was due to actual retardation, because it wasn't even about anything important.

The big issue was that they were casually planning and giving information about capabilities through an unsecured channel. It seemed that the Yemen bombings didn't result in much change (which I predicted a couple pages back about the Administration wanting to do everything through SOF and Airstrikes)

But the bigger problem, and related to the thread is this; if you are a SEAL, Delta, Ranger, etc. and you know that if foreign intelligence had 1 out of 18 phones compromised for a critical SOF mission you could had been given, then that special mission where you "totally have the element of surprise" would have gotten you, and your team all killed in an ambush.

Maybe some can rationalize now that it doesn't matter, but in the back of their brain, the seed of doubt that high command will get you and your team killed through incompetence in OPSEC and leaks will be planted in the brain of any SOF operator with an IQ higher than 105.

 

[karz]

because it wasn't even about anything important

The leaked chat (allegedly) included:
Targeting times, Weapons to be used, and selected targets.
Now, I'm no targeting analyst or an alcoholic Secretary of Defense, but stating what targets are selected in an unsanctioned group chat with unverified members sounds alarming to me.
Sure, in hindsight, no biggie, but if the Atlantic chose to publish these chats before the bombing campaign were to begin, there would be a serious shitstorm in the Pentagon. The Houthis could have moved assets, delayed the strikes, and effectively nullified multiple tomahawk cruise missiles. What's more concerning is that no one noticed the additional unknown phone number added to the chat, or they just assumed that the editor of the Atlantic was a cabinet-level secretary. Not great!

Maybe some can rationalize now that it doesn't matter, but in the back of their brain, the seed of doubt that high command will get you and your team killed through incompetence in OPSEC and leaks will be planted in the brain of any SOF operator with an IQ higher than 105.

This right here is a good summary of the issue. Sure, occasionally, people with clearances make fuck-ups. A colonel I worked with admitted to scanning TS/SCI documents on an unsecured scanner as a Lieutenant. He immediately stopped what he was doing and reported the incident to his superiors. He was investigated and eventually cleared of any wrongdoing, keeping his clearance. The problem is that these are cabinet-level administration members, the decision makers, who can request any intelligence moving through civilian and military spheres. If they're not following protocol for this, what else are they flouting protocol on?

 

[deleuzeon]

but if the Atlantic chose to publish these chats before the bombing campaign were to begin, there would be a serious shitstorm in the Pentagon.

I genuinely don't think it would make a difference on planet Earth either way, but I will cut myself off from any further derailing on this point.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Some more Dog sick fuckery from A team in Delta. Remember that Lavigne said to Leshikar's sister, that the dogs "needed" to get a treat on target. I don't know if that refers to just dead, dying or healthy detainees to get mauled by attack dogs as a "treat".


Link / Archive

Spoiler: Slight gore. Bloodied dog.

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Edit: Bob made another faux pas.

I don't think that's what he intended to say. Or maybe it was? Does the modern left have their roots in the KKK?

 

[karz]

Does the modern left have their roots in the KKK?

Spoiler: completely unbiased history

The KKK was created by asshurt Confederates who were sore that they lost their slaves. Imagine owning another man. It's gay as sin.

The extremely short story is that party politics flipped after FDR's New Deal America came to fruition. Democrats were (keyword: were) the party of advocating for the little guy, like blue collar workers and racial minorities, in New Deal America. Republicans realised they could capitalize on a power vacuum in the South, and that's what they did - States rights, guns, god and babies, yeehaw. TND is still cool in Louisiana.
Succeeding presidents Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, and LBJ continued progressive policies to move toward the vision of New Deal America. You can read more about it, starting with Dixiecrats.

But no, the "Modern" authoritarian left as influenced by Marx, Engels, etc, does not draw its roots from the KKK. AuthLeft types are retarded commies who have never held federal elected office. All AuthLeft in the USA knows how to do is bicker, infight, and read theory. Zero practical applications, no policy.

 

[deleuzeon]

Yeah I think he's just spitting in the direction of Democrats, trying to say that the Tesla arsonists, the BLM rioters, and the KKK were all them. I saw a lot of right wing people bring the KKK point up over the last few elections. The typical riposte is what karz gave above, that the sides flipped. Guys like Bob probably don't really care if they flipped or didn't flip; they can say the Democrats started the KKK and be technically correct, so they say it.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

SECDEF NOOOO! PETE, THE CG GOT LEAKED!


Also interesting, Michael Kurilla was mentioned. A Ranger General, Chief of Staff of CENTCOM, who Seth Harp called "Kurilla the Gorilla" and that he was responsible for leaving a lot of Afghan villages as smoldering ruins.

Kurilla let SECDEF put strike packages on signal so CENTCOM classified info has been talked about in a commercial, unsecure app GC under his nose.




RIP The Trust of regular soldiers, sailors, airmen (and SOF of course) in their high command. Sad day for the Military as a whole.

 

[deleuzeon]

Brent Tucker (Delta -> Antihero podcaster) was on the "Together We Go" podcast yesterday. Two things jumped out at me for relevance, although not sure if they warrant going back and clipping. One was about dogs, the other was his personal desire for violence.

He said that they used dogs too often in the early war on terror, getting them killed for no reason. And he admitted that the real reason for using dogs is so they take the bullet first instead of an operator. Which is refreshingly honest. Usually the bullshit rhetoric is like, "actually the dog is also an officer and his life is equally valuable." He also acknowledged that sometimes the dog attacks its own handler or attacks random people (like kids) in the house. Because, you know, it's a predatory animal with cognitive limits placed inside a home invasion with explosions.

As for the violence part, Brent discussed how he joined the military after 9/11. His initial job was something about anti-helicopter missiles. He wasn't happy with it because he wanted to, in his words, "shoot someone in the face" over 9/11. This provoked his climb through special forces. He says that not until his first Delta operation did he finally shoot someone in the face from the same room as them, and the experience was everything he'd wanted.

 

[nonameuser5678]

As for the violence part, Brent discussed how he joined the military after 9/11. His initial job was something about anti-helicopter missiles. He wasn't happy with it because he wanted to, in his words, "shoot someone in the face" over 9/11. This provoked his climb through special forces. He says that not until his first Delta operation did he finally shoot someone in the face from the same room as them, and the experience was everything he'd wanted.

He's previously described being small as a kid, not being adventurous, and having a stutter. Sounds like someone who was deeply insecure and wanted an opportunity to bully (and kill) weaker people to make himself feel better. Though he is still so deeply insecure he unironically worries whether or not things like sitting down to pee are unmanly.

At least he's smarter about tactics than Pranka. 26:05

 

[deleuzeon]

Seth Harp, despite his valued contributions to the essential nature of this thread, which I respect of course, had a weird episode recently in which he called the White House Houthi PC small group chat "terrorists in the exact same sense [as] Osama bin Laden."

To remind the reader, bin Laden (by the official record) killed like 3,000 American civilians in an attack targeting civilians specifically, in order to provoke a response; not quite the same as target-striking Houthi leadership and their "top missile guy." This tweet may as well come from Hasan Piker, which is unfortunate, as it may contribute to discrediting his more serious coverage.


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[ToEnsureVerification]

Seth Harp, despite his valued contributions to the essential nature of this thread, which I respect of course, had a weird episode recently in which he called the White House Houthi PC small group chat "terrorists in the exact same sense [as] Osama bin Laden."

To remind the reader, bin Laden (by the official record) killed like 3,000 American civilians in an attack targeting civilians specifically, in order to provoke a response; not quite the same as target-striking Houthi leadership and their "top missile guy." This tweet may as well come from Hasan Piker, which is unfortunate, as it may contribute to discrediting his more serious coverage.

Spoiler: Armchair Psychology

Seth has a bit of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde going on. I've mentioned before in the thread that Seth should be careful with his severe anger and impulsivity issues (like the tweet he made about making an IED) I highly suspect they might be coming from PTSD. (He served during the worst parts of OIF, 2005-2011).

He probably also saw too many videos of people in Gaza burned to death. To me, with 2 was enough, but there are more. As painful as it is for a journalist, I think a healthy amount of stepping back from horrifying media is important. To sympathize with the suffering of others is something than can drive you to do productive shit. Overidentification makes you angry and irate and helps no one.

About the tweet, I fundamentally agree, because I understood his point. I read almost everything he wrote and saw every podcast he has been in, so I know what he's about. The issue here is the short form of a tweet lends itself to people getting the wrong idea by not understanding the full context.

Why so I agree with the tweet? Two reasons; one, Seth has been covering forever wars and warcrimes for a longtime, so when he means "these people" he's not just talking about the current Trump Admin and SecDef or Waltz. He means the broader American warmongers, neo-cons/neo-libs in Government that have been plaguing it for more than 20 years.

Link to the article about the Air Force drone pilot.

And that's just one example. It's nothing new that the American Government has no problems indiscriminately killing civilians. That fits the definition of terrorism pretty well and a lot more innocent people were killed by them than by UBL (who is also indefensible, don't get me wrong)

And the second reason I agree, more specifically with the tweet. It says they collapsed a building with the GF on it of the target. That means it was most likely a civilian building they brought down. How many civilians did they kill to get that one guy? 15, 20, 30?

So, imagine the shoe was on the other foot, and the Houthis somehow had a leak of a GC after they found, for example, a CIA Station Chief's residential building where he lives, and somehow collapsed it with a bomb killing or trapping inside the rubble 30 other Americans. And then they were all in the GC sending fist emojis and congratulating each other, wouldn't you call that terrorism and a callous disregard for human life?

But I agree, Seth should be careful with X. The short context windows don't allow for enough details, and it could lead to confusion.

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As for the violence part, Brent discussed how he joined the military after 9/11. His initial job was something about anti-helicopter missiles. He wasn't happy with it because he wanted to, in his words, "shoot someone in the face" over 9/11. This provoked his climb through special forces. He says that not until his first Delta operation did he finally shoot someone in the face from the same room as them, and the experience was everything he'd wanted.

Damn, the "Delta is a way to legally become a Serial Killer" theory is getting stronger by the day. Though Brent's insecurity about peeing while sitting down is hilarious.

 

[nonameuser5678]

Damn, the "Delta is a way to legally become a Serial Killer" theory is getting stronger by the day. Though Brent's insecurity about peeing while sitting down is hilarious.

i will say the one thing i appreciate about brent is that he admits that he has made many mistakes throughout his life that alone makes him better than most of the bro vets


with seth and the terrorist claim remember us airstrikes have literally killed more than double the number of civlians isis ever has since 2014

poor design imo

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Sneak preview of "The Fort Bragg Cartel". The first three pages. Chapter 1 "I kill people for a living".


"Marky always acted perfectly fine when doing cocaine"

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Tangentially related but apparently Hegseth's and Waltz's oopsie got a Mossad source in Yemen executed. Reported by @karz

 

[nonameuser5678]

Sneak preview of "The Fort Bragg Cartel". The first three pages. Chapter 1 "I kill people for a living".

That's far more sympathetic to Lavigne than previous reporting. The implication is that Leshikar made up the ambush and TBI (?) The government typically doesn't outright lie about casualties

Tangentially related but apparently

Based? Trump really is orange hitler /sneed

 

[deleuzeon]

Tangentially related but apparently Hegseth's and Waltz's oopsie got a Mossad source in Yemen executed.

Well well well, guess I was wrong when I said it made no difference. Lesson learned.

 

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Sneak preview of "The Fort Bragg Cartel". The first three pages. Chapter 1 "I kill people for a living".
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"Marky always acted perfectly fine when doing cocaine"

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Tangentially related but apparently Hegseth's and Waltz's oopsie got a Mossad source in Yemen executed. Reported by @karz

Why does this read like some "I can fix him" bold lettering slob for whammens?

In other photos, he sports a custom skull patch on the front of his body armor, a Confederate battle flag on his left shoulder, and an oversized belt buckle shaped like a fanged demon with ram's horn.
"Such a pigheaded, egotistical man," was the first impression he made on laura. She was determined to understand this man, who cared so much for his daughter, that he took her to disney world on a drug fueled bender. When looking at her, he did flash a confident smile, the drool running down the corners of his full lips, his bloodshot, wide awake, almost crazy looking eyes fixating her...

I think some know where these stories go from there...

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Why does this read like some "I can fix him" bold lettering slob for whammens?

Spoiler alert: Marky gets FUCKING MURDERED after getting back from Disney Land by William Lavigne, so the whammen fantasy ain't happening. Seth is just trying to build up his character before Marky gets FUCKING SHOT 4 times.

Based? Trump really is orange hitler /sneed

lol