Culture Over 4 million Gen Zers are jobless—and experts blame colleges for ‘worthless degrees’ and a system of broken promises for the rising number NEETs

  • Over 4 million Gen Zers are not in school or work in the U.S. and in the U.K. 100,000 young people joined the NEETs cohort. But it’s not generational laziness that’s to blame. Experts are taking swipes at “worthless degrees” and a system that “is failing to deliver on its implicit promise.”
There’s been a mass derailment when it comes to Gen Z and their careers: about a quarter of young people are now deemed NEETs—meaning they are no longer in education, employment, or training.

While some Gen Zers may fall into this category because they are taking care of a family member, many have become frozen out of the increasingly tough job market where white-collar jobs are becoming seemingly out of reach.

In the U.S., this translates to an estimated over 4.3 million young people not in school or work. Across the pond in the U.K., the situation is also only getting worse, with the number of NEET young people rising by over 100,000 in the last year alone.

A British podcaster went so far as to call the situation a “catastrophe”—and cast a broad-stroke blame on the education system.

“In many cases, young people have been sent off to universities for worthless degrees which have produced nothing for them at all,” the political commentator, journalist and author, Peter Hitchens slammed colleges last week. “And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”

With millions of Gen Zers waking up each day feeling left behind, there needs to be a “wake-up call” that includes educational and workplace partners stepping up, Jeff Bulanda, vice president at Jobs for the Future, tells Fortune.

Higher education’s role in the rising number of NEET Gen Zers​

There’s no question that certain fields of study provide a more direct line to a long-lasting career—take, for example, the healthcare industry. In the U.S. alone, over a million net new jobs are expected to be created in the next decade among home health aids, registered nurses, and nurse practitioners.

On the other hand, millions of students graduate each year with degrees with a less clear career path, leaving young adults underemployed and struggling to make ends meet. And while the long-term future may be bright—with an average return on investment for a college degree being 681% over 40 years, plus promises of Great Wealth Transfer—it may be coming too late for students left with ballooning student loans in an uncertain job market.

Too much time has been focused on promoting a four-year degree as the only reliable route, despite the payoff being more uneven and uncertain, says Bulanda. Other pathways, like skilled trade professionals, should be a larger share of the conversation.

“It's critical that young people are empowered to be informed consumers about their education, equipped with the information they need to weigh the cost, quality, and long-term value of every path available to them,” Bulanda says.

Lewis Maleh, CEO of Bentley Lewis, a staffing and recruitment agency, echoes that colleges should do better at communicating with students about career placement as well as non-academic barriers to entering the workforce, like mental health support and resilience development.

“Universities aren't deliberately setting students up to fail, but the system is failing to deliver on its implicit promise,” Maleh tells Fortune.

“The current data challenges the traditional assumption that higher education automatically leads to economic security.”

What’s caused a NEET crisis—and what can be done?​

Rising prices on everything from rent and gasoline to groceries and textbooks have put a damper on Gen Z, with some even having to turn down their dream job offers because they cannot afford the commute or work clothes.

Plus, with others struggling to land a job in a market changing by the minute thanks to artificial intelligence, it’s no wonder Gen Z finds doomscrolling at home more enjoyable than navigating an economy completely different than what their teachers promised them.

The United Nations agency warns there are still “too many young people” with skills gaps, and getting millions of young people motivated to get back into the classroom or workforce won’t be easy.

Efforts should include ramping up accessible entry points like apprenticeships and internships, especially for disengaged young people, as well as building better bridges between industries and education systems, Maleh says.

Above all, better and more personalized career guidance is key, Bulanda adds.

“When you don’t know what options exist, no one is helping you connect the dots, and the next step feels risky or out of reach—it’s no surprise that so many young people pause,” he says. “The question isn’t why they disconnect; it’s why we haven’t done a better job of recognizing that the old ways aren’t working anymore, and young people need more options and better support to meet them where they are.”
 
Low Voltage workers (networking cable) get a little over $60/hour in total compensation for pulling new network cable. On the job training, no experience.

What people DONT say about construction is that these rates are TRAVELING work. They live on the road for months to years, away from home. The trades don't usually make big bank working for Jim bobs electrical, LLC adding charging ports to local homes. You make big bucks putting in 208v 3 phase power to data centers.
and 99.99% of those jobs are going to H1b's or other migrants. You're fucked unless you have personal connections.
 
It is valuable.
I would argue that it is not unquestionably valuable and education is like a muscle: you can't just do lifts for four years and then say, I'm done. I never need to lift again.

Young people not only don't see the value in education, they also don't see the joy in it.

If we could instill those things in young people, education would become more valuable. But as of right now, it isn't.
 
To quote a certain lolcow

"This is what happens when you let the retards take over education and brainwash everyone. The retrds took over and now look at this. The students have all mushybrains. And I the last remaining orange man must whip them to shape. HELLO RETARD!"
 
The critical step you're missing here is that a lot of kids don't understand why they have to go to college. They just go because they think they're supposed to.

Back in the day, you went to college to pursue a very specialized passion. and it was not considered common to do go, and you were probably someone who, without that schooling, you'd be doing that on your own anyway. Now, college is just another step in the diploma mill: you get the piece of paper, it must mean you're qualified, right? With a lot of people, the education begins and ends with the piece of paper. They don't particularly care about the thing they learned about, but they got the piece of paper.

That's where we are: the facade of being educated is more important than actually being educated, and this is getting truer at all levels of education nowadays, and for bonus points, it's turning into a sense of entitlement: someone passed me into the next level, which means I must be entitled to things.
Okay, but that's true on the other side as well. Brittany in HR has no concept of WHY you would need a college degree (or not) to be a sewage treatment worker. You're just supposed to HAVE one. And if you don't, there are a million other people who do.
 
What bullshit. First, don't believe there are anywhere near 4 million NEETS in our country. Second, while colleges and universities may offer unemployable majors, nobody forces these students to pursue these majors. Third, many students attend trade schools, community colleges, or apprenticeship programs. Some people go right into the job market, doing various jobs.

It is the student's responsibility to determine what path they will take. It is incumbent on them to ask questions and seek guidance to make the best decision possible. And very, very few people have a linear career. Most of us will change majors in college, or try different lines of work, or try alternative routes. This is America, the land of the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances, as long as you don't disqualify yourself by your own actions or lack thereof.
I love ya Grampa Stalin, but this almost has "Just give 'em eye contact and a firm handshake" vibes. While I actually agree with most of this, it fails to address something important:

"Of course, taking a quarter million dollars in loans to get a Doctorate in postmodern queer feminist dance theory will pay off! Sign here! You are totally gonna go places, kid!"

And that's just the lie the bankers tell them. Its too early and my coffee is still brewing, so I'll give parents, media, and schools a pass, for the moment, but I think you see where I'm going. We allowed the kids to be set up to fail, so we really can't blame the kids, entirely,

Hyperbole aside, How in the fuck can these kids actually make good life decisions in the face of this?

Yeah, they have plenty of chances to try again, after they pay off that useless degree. After they realize they've made a few oopsiefuckywucky mistakes. Until then, they are effectively fucked. And then they'll go cry to reddit and get radicalized. Second chances are just a wee bit more limited, when you've already saddled yourself with a lifetime of debt, before you can legally drink, from that first chance.

And that doesn't even address the ones who don't realize the mistakes they've made and the lies they've been told. The radical reddit types, that double down on failure. The ones who wear their mistakes proudly, because they don't acknowledge a mistake as such. Failure is a drug, for some people, and we need to break that cycle of addiction.

The problems run deeper than many of us would like to acknowledge, I fear.
You are going to need a lot of avgas for your chopper to actually fix it.
 
Okay, but that's true on the other side as well. Brittany in HR has no concept of WHY you would need a college degree (or not) to be a sewage treatment worker. You're just supposed to HAVE one. And if you don't, there are a million other people who do.
That's kind of built in to what I was saying: you know you have to get the piece of paper but you walk into it without a self-driven purpose. You're getting it because society wants you to, not because YOU want to.
 
Its not unreasonable for me to expect a fucking answer from your multi-billion dollar company to tell me if you are hiring me or not so I can move on.
This is a legal thing, unfortunately. It's safer to say nothing rather than "we went with a different candidate" and end up with a million anti-discrimination lawsuits because "dey don't wanna hire no brothas".

I mean, in my case I actually am discriminating, but that's beside the point.
 
College is not a waste of time and it bothers me people use inability to find work as an excuse to take down the value of college degrees. That is very sad indeed. College gives you education, the skill-set to know how to learn and the discipline.

I agree it is too expensive; but I'd disagree that if you enter a different field it has no worth. Structure can be applied to any field and knowing structure and how to create it and learn from that structure is an important tool. It may be more important than the actual knowledge itself.

There is truth to the unattractiveness of blue collar work also, but I've been in both corporate and hands-on work and I liked both, but found that the hands-on work was better for my mental health and well being. It is true I would be earning double what I do now if I had remained in corporate so there is a trade-off.

I just think in general life for the younger generation does indeed entail more financial challenges than what I faced as a youngster so I can understand their need to get "up to speed income wise" is a dominating factor. Had I been under the same pressures I'm not sure of the route I would have taken.

It is very true and beyond question that automation and technology has wiped out a great deal of jobs and we have a burden of lost potential income for millions that now directly goes to corporate profits and shareholders as a larger dividend; and the advancement of AI and robotics will without a doubt increase that deficit in the short, medium and long term.

As a member of society I'd like to help them out, I think we all would like to see a prosperous younger generation but the hoops I have to jump through as an employer to get training programs together and the time and money spent is devastating when the people walking in the door have taken the time to train up to learn what to say and bullshit for a few months, rather than to do the actual job. The only places that afford to create a giant monster that "takes in all" and "spits most out to have the gems" are corporate giants where the cost per person of failure diminishes with scale.

SO MANY small businesses NEED PEOPLE but we get sunk when we have people coming in that want it all from the word go, not understanding the investment we've made and tying their value to the pay they get today and easily being swept away by a dollar more somewhere else.

It is incredibly frustrating. Good things take time, and being skilled in a field is one of them. The other 5 people in my area who do the work I do (who live quite well) are all college educated and all have higher education (University) - none of it which relates directly to the field. I am the only one of them without a college education - something I lament often.

It is valuable. Perhaps just not at this precise moment for some youngsters. Let's not sell them the idea society doesn't value them, because it isn't true, we just need them to be adaptable and willing - something they seem to have overlooked in education entirely.

Let's also look at the other end of things. We've had, what, 50 years of it being popularized that blue collar work is shit, that you gotta go get that white collar job no matter what, right? It's become so comedically scuffed. People who weren't suited for higher ed jobs or white collar jobs swarmed in and keep them. Wanna be a conservatively oriented scholar in a humanities field? Nope, it's scuffed unless you've got major major pull somewhere.

Hell, it's part of the reason that people just don't do teaching anymore unless they're deeply passionate. You don't really get to teach and all you really get to do is babysitting while teaching them the standardized state tests. Where's the passion in that? Law? Good luck unless you're connected or get to go to at least a T2 school or above. Hell, every white collar job I see around seems to be laden with wanting the entry level positions to have 2-3 certs.

I'll give you medicine, they seem to be wanting loads of people even with all the popularity of h1b1 visa imports.

Honestly like, there's no more real passion for things in the millennials/zoomers. The powers that be kinda killed that when they made the current environment.

That's kind of built in to what I was saying: you know you have to get the piece of paper but you walk into it without a self-driven purpose. You're getting it because society wants you to, not because YOU want to.
Well yeah, that's also because the public education system is incentivized to push them straight into college without any other thoughts on it. It's fucking crazy.


This is a legal thing, unfortunately. It's safer to say nothing rather than "we went with a different candidate" and end up with a million anti-discrimination lawsuits because "dey don't wanna hire no brothas".
This is also the reason a lot of employers aren't going to say a whole lot in background checks anymore, from what I've heard. It's just HR-ified language and the question "eligible for rehire?"
 
Sounds like he decided the pay wasn't worth the hostile working environment.

You can stay its his loss, but in a union job if you're the designated whipping boy like that you are fucked long-term.
Being made fun of meant they called him nicknames. I think I was somewhat unclear about the nature of the being made fun of. It was far less than he would get at pretty much any other of the very limited, very less well paid jobs around here.
 
They want loads of resumes for data harvesting
you're probably not wrong, but jeez

Being made fun of meant they called him nicknames. I think I was somewhat unclear about the nature of the being made fun of. It was far less than he would get at pretty much any other of the very limited, very less well paid jobs around here.
he could have just been a sensitive faggot.
 
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I actually tried proposing this at a PTA meeting at my old high school, citing the increasing prevalence of van life.

It was received as well as reading a page full of redpill truths.
I'd even go so far to find a way to instill the survivor's mindset in the kids nowadays. Because the days where you can just get a job and make a living like you were promised in school is coming to an end. (Unless mass migration and automating fucking everything is cut the fuck off which is never gonna happen)

Learning how to save your funds, spend wisely, invest in things that will serve you in the long run will be the way to go. As an append to the Nomads in 2077, when Night City got fucked by corporate retardation (Think of the LA fire but in 2077), it was the Nomads that rebuilt the city and in turn, got higher standing for it.

TL;DR: Current year society is doing everything it can to close itself off from the people its supposed to serve as well as charge high prices on top of it so its only appropriate people make their own society outside of that one.

Lying is now a career skill. I had to search for recently closed businesses and make a phony Gmail + google voice combo for one of the managers so that one of my younger relatives could even start getting considered for anything besides burger flipping. He'll quietly drop it from his resume after he has enough legit experience.

His parents were fire-breathing furious when they found out but I am telling you nothing else worked.
I'd even say learning how to be a Bladerunner as well because of how many scams are being pumped out in 'helping' you find a job. Won't be surprised if one day, scammers will fake an interview online via camera with an entirely digital actor just so they can steal whatever information you have for their uses. You're lucky if its just targeted ads. Worst case scenario your identity being used for God-knows-what.

There is an entire industry built upon the people desperate to want to make a living.
 
“And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”

Well, go on then, no one is stopping them. I can't keep up with work demands, I know others who knock back work all the time.

No one is stopping them from training. You know how many guys I have had call in to find work despite my business being known? None. They got to stop the pretense that they are after work - they are after cushy jobs, with high pay and relatively easy work - jobs are there to be had and I don't mean flipping burgers.

When they are starving, should that day come, low and behold, they will find work indeed.
I don't believe that you own a business, but I'll bite. Why should anyone want to work for an asshole like you? If your real-life persona is anything like your online one, then you are lucky that no one has caved in your head yet.
 
About 70% of this generation that I know of have jobs and are in school of some kind. The other are junkies or hood rats.
 
There is an entire industry built upon the people desperate to want to make a living.
Don't forget a lot of official reemployment services (State-funded) being shit.


About 70% of this generation that I know of have jobs and are in school of some kind. The other are junkies or hood rats.

There's an increasing amount of young people just getting thoroughly demoralized. It's been a thing in the UK for a while, in Japan for longer, and is starting to be a thing in America.

I pray we get something sorted out.
 
I don't believe that you own a business, but I'll bite. Why should anyone want to work for an asshole like you? If your real-life persona is anything like your online one, then you are lucky that no one has caved in your head yet.
He mentioned having to find work "a lifetime ago." He is either a decrepit baby boomer or roleplaying as one.
 
Same globalists saying "skills gap" are the same ones saying every white nation should be importing millions of completely unskilled jeets until they collapse.

Same as usual, its just a widening pay and incentive gap and the usual shysters think zoomers should be forced into performing without the social contract granted to those before them.

Good for them I say. Maybe in the zeitgeist NEET will become the most common and acceptable lifestyle choice like porn addiction and talking about comic books and Star Wars out loud was for millenials.
 
I don't believe that you own a business, but I'll bite. Why should anyone want to work for an asshole like you? If your real-life persona is anything like your online one, then you are lucky that no one has caved in your head yet.
Believe what you want - it seems to be a common theme on here. For a guy who has given people a genuine chance including vets; it is clear to me you don’t understand the problem or have talked to other business owners who experience the same hiring grief.

Instead of listening to the self indulgent and victimized unemployed; talk to those who did get a job and those hiring them and ask why they’re ahead.

If the system is evil; it seems to be seen as evil by the minority who can’t handle it; and those that are gainfully employed understand how the world actually works.

Sorry it doesn’t work that way for you and them; but it works for most.
 
SO MANY small businesses NEED PEOPLE but we get sunk when we have people coming in that want it all from the word go, not understanding the investment we've made and tying their value to the pay they get today and easily being swept away by a dollar more somewhere else.
Encountered something similar, fix was just to pay better. Yeah, it sucks, but it costs more if you are constantly having to go back out to look for someone new because you're paying an uncompetitive wage. I can't blame people for trying to get into a better position in life, and if the dipshittery is paying better than I do I need to reevaluate what I'm doing.
 
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