The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished - Slate magazine broken-clocking it in review of "Leaving Neverland" sequel

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The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished​


The sequel to Leaving Neverland is here, but the original is nowhere in sight.​


When Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO a little over six years ago, the two-part, four-hour documentary sparked a long-overdue reckoning with the legacy of Michael Jackson. Composed largely of interviews with two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who say that Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them when they were children, the movie seemed to be the tipping point after nearly three decades of rumors, investigations, and out-of-court settlements, prompting a flood of media coverage that included more than a dozen articles in Slate alone. The #MeToo movement had, it seemed, inaugurated a cultural sea change. The rich and famous were no longer considered innocent by default, and their accusers were not immediately suspect. We would never see MJ the same way again.

Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson, director Dan Reed’s sequel to his bombshell documentary, was released on Tuesday. But this time, it was greeted with virtual silence. Whereas the first movie premiered at the Sundance Film Festival to a room packed with journalists, the second simply popped up on YouTube, less than a month after the entertainment industry trades broke the news of its existence. As of midafternoon Friday, it had 38,000 views.

At a little over 53 minutes, Leaving Neverland 2 is more of an update than a self-contained work, mostly covering Robson and Safechuck’s attempts to pursue legal action against Jackson’s estate in the years since the first movie aired. But if you’re looking to refresh your memory of the original film, you’ll have to make do with the new one’s brief excerpts, because Leaving Neverland effectively no longer exists, at least in the U.S. Relying on a nondisparagement clause in a deal to air a 1992 concert, Jackson’s estate sued HBO for breach of contract, and after five years in court, the network agreed to a settlement that included permanently removing the movie from its Max streaming platform; although Leaving Neverland was released on DVD, the disc is now out of print, and a used copy is nearly $100 on eBay. (In an unexpected twist, you can still stream the film in the U.K., where plaintiff-friendly libel laws usually make it much more difficult to report on public figures, and the second part was broadcast on Channel 4 this week.) MJ, the stage musical based on Jackson’s life, was nominated for 10 Tonys and is now in its fourth year on Broadway; the Cirque du Soleil spectacle set to his music is still running in Las Vegas; and a Hollywood biopic, directed by Training Day’s Antoine Fuqua, has already been filmed, though its release date is uncertain. #MeToo has become #NeverMind.

On its own, Leaving Neverland 2 is, unfortunately, not much to speak of. At Sundance, Reed said that he shot interviews with attorneys on both sides of the case but opted not to use them, focusing exclusively on Robson, Safechuck, and the families. In the sequel, lawyers take center stage. Vince Finaldi and John Manly, whose California practice specializes in civil litigation related to sexual abuse, ably guide us through the basis of their lawsuit, which alleges that the companies Jackson formed to manage his affairs should be held liable for his actions even after his death. But while they convey a sense of dedication to the cause, they can’t be as compelling as Jackson’s alleged victims themselves.

For years, Jackson and his representatives, both legal and public, have argued that his accusers are motivated solely by the desire for money. (The Hollywood biopic is reportedly mired in legal issues because its third act depicts the family of Jordan Chandler, the then-13-year-old who accused Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993, as money-grubbing opportunists.) And they’ve pointed to the fact that Robson and Safechuck both defended Jackson in court. Leaving Neverland devotes a good chunk of its length to explaining why they lied under oath, and although the sequel repeats that explanation in truncated form, it takes time to walk an audience through the emotional logic of defending your alleged abuser, time this brief addendum doesn’t have. As for being in it for the money: With Jackson dead, there aren’t many avenues for justice available to his alleged victims except for the monetary rewards of a civil judgment and the attendant public vindication. And even if their motivations are financial, his estate’s seem unlikely to be less so—especially since megastars like Jackson are most profitable when they’re reinjected into the culture over and over again, and that’s a lot harder to do when the good feelings associated with their songs become associated with a toxic personal brand.

That’s why the most fascinating part of Leaving Neverland 2 has almost nothing to do with Robson and Safechuck. After years of failing to get an on-camera response from Jackson’s estate or his family, Reed turns instead to his fans, who are as much the guardians of his legacy as anyone who holds the rights. Most take Jackson’s side, of course, with one suggesting that Leaving Neverland, which went to almost unbearable lengths to describe when and how Jackson allegedly abused his victims, didn’t go into enough specifics to be convincing. (A clearly stunned Reed asks, off camera, “That wasn’t detailed enough for you?”) But one, a middle-aged Black man identified only as “Z,” says that watching the original documentary set him on a path of questioning and reinvestigating everything he thought he knew. And when he dug around, he says, “I didn’t like what I saw.” It’s a reminder of how powerful the impact of Leaving Neverland was, and of how ominous it is that, at a time when media access is under the near-total control of streaming conglomerates, it’s possible for a movie of such historic and cultural importance to simply disappear.
 
tl;dr: I don't think MJ fucked boys, but I think any parent who sent their kid by themeselves to visit with the crazy minstrel man should have been locked up.
I lean towards MJ not being a pedo but if he was still alive and if by some chance my son ever had a chance to be in his presence, I wouldn't take my eyes off him.
 
I've never looked into this closely but I wanted to add my gen X two cents.

A bunch of people here are asking where these accusations even came from. I don't remember *ever* not hearing them. It was a standard piece of pre-internet gossip about Jackson. I remember hearing the kmart joke in the 80s.

about the innocence of his behavior. let's just assume that he actually was incapable of adult sexual feelings and actions. regardless this attitude is insane:


They destroyed a superbly talented artist whose only crime was to enjoy playing with kids and entertaining kids. What have we become as a society where that has become a bad thing?

I enjoy the company of children. I don't offer large amounts of money to parents in order to spend time alone with them. He didn't simply enjoy playing with kids, he enjoyed having children over at his house, in an environment under his total control, away from their parents and any oversight.

This is abusive *even if there was no sexual content whatsoever.* Michael Jackson was clearly not a functional responsible adult and allowing children to be in his care is wrong. He was wrong to ask for it and the parents were wrong to allow it.

the question of did bad touch actually happen really distracts people from the fundamental fucked upness of the situation. it's very scary to children when they know that adults are basically oriented to something other than their safety. Jackson was not oriented to the children's safety, he was a grown up child who just wanted to play. The parents were oriented to the money and the closeness to fame. that must have been so disturbing and frightening for the children, under the attractions of all the fun and special experiences Jackson was able to provide would have been this sick undercurrent of them being objects, even if not sexual ones.
 
And before you inevitably bring it up, I do not give two shits that his victim, now a grown woman, just wants to forget being raped by him.
Why would a card-carrying man-hater bring that up? I don't care if one of his victims is over it He's a serial rapist and should be locked up 4 life.
Michael had to be strip searched and his penis presented to a jury to prove they were wrong.
Well, that's what happens if you have little boys sleep over in your bed and want people to think you didn't rape them.
 
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Well, that's what happens if you have little boys sleep over in your bed and want people to think you didn't rape them.

yeah exactly

there have always been social and even legal consequences for sexual inappropriateness for men, they were just harsher for women but they have always also existed for men.

at the height of the power of the british empire, upper class men who wanted to diddle little boys went to the middle east or africa to do it and they still could get in huge trouble if they got caught.

protecting your reputation, up to and including following the pence rule, is still a very very very good idea for everyone. avoid sin but also avoid the appearance of sin - and a person who can't avoid the appearance of sin because he's too childlike isn't a safe person to leave children with.
 
It wasn't just at his house. He brought boys on world tours with him and had their parents stay elsewhere in the hotel while he slept in a room with the boy. This would go on for a year or so, then when that boy got too old, he'd dump the boy and get another one.

The thing that puts the needle in the direction of guilt for me is that it seemed compulsive.

If I were a Big Deal entertainer or politician who enjoyed the company of tween boys and there was even a whisper that I was a diddler, I would never be alone in a room with another kid who wasn't mine again.

But this guy, he goes through one trial and then just keeps on keepin' on with the little boys.

It's why pedos deserve the rope. You fuck a kid, you go to prison, you get out, time passes, and then one day you see meet another kid and one thing leads to another and you're back inside. It's compulsive and can't be cured.

I think there's also a misimpression that pedos are all gross, violent creeps who intentionally want to hurt kids, but I'd guess that the average pedo doesn't think that sucking a 12-year-old's dick is bad for the kid and certainly not violent.

When MJ said that he loved children and would never hurt a child, I think he believed what he was saying.

I can hear him saying in that creepy, breathy voice, "We were wrestling and his dick got hard and I offered to show him what to do with it. IT WAS INNOCENT. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SOMETHING IT WASN'T."
 
I'm not too familiar with OJ's case, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't an audio recording of someone stating outright that they planned to falsely accuse him of a heinous crime.
You are correct, but remember in OJ's case one of the supposed victims was a jew so that's pretty much the same thing.

I enjoy the company of children. I don't offer large amounts of money to parents in order to spend time alone with them. He didn't simply enjoy playing with kids, he enjoyed having children over at his house, in an environment under his total control, away from their parents and any oversight.
A large ammount of money to you. To Michael it was practical pocket change.

Think about it this way: If a future man stepped out of a time portal and offered to let go back to being 10 for a couple hours and have one more game of tag with your friends and all it would cost is $20, would you take him up on is offer?

the question of did bad touch actually happen really distracts people from the fundamental fucked upness of the situation. it's very scary to children when they know that adults are basically oriented to something other than their safety. Jackson was not oriented to the children's safety, he was a grown up child who just wanted to play. The parents were oriented to the money and the closeness to fame. that must have been so disturbing and frightening for the children, under the attractions of all the fun and special experiences Jackson was able to provide would have been this sick undercurrent of them being objects, even if not sexual ones.
Very much agree.
"Michael Jackson didn't actually fuck young boys" and "Michael Jackson should never have been left alone with the children he was left alone with" are not mutually exclusive thoughts.


Eunuchs still have sexual desire. There is also plenty of historical record of the sexual entanglements of the castrati.
It depends on when. Most Eunuchs that are prepubescent didn't have much if any sex drive. Post pubescent ones did, they were just shooting blanks.

Part of the duties of Ottoman Harem Eunuchs was to fuck the concubines to keep them docile and inline. The Sultan didn't want virgins, they just wanted to make sure any children were his.
 
A large ammount of money to you. To Michael it was practical pocket change.

I don't give pocket change to children either, I don't buy them toys, no one with good intentions exchanges anything for time with children. everyone normal intuitively understands this. even exchanging fun experiences that aren't possible with your family is very very suspect.

you're wrong about eunuchs and sex. again, the love affairs of the castrati are well documented and the entire point of cutting their balls off was that it was done before puberty. almost zero eunuchs were castrated after puberty for the ottoman trade anyway. that happened in china.
 
If I were a Big Deal entertainer or politician who enjoyed the company of tween boys and there was even a whisper that I was a diddler, I would never be alone in a room with another kid who wasn't mine again.

But this guy, he goes through one trial and then just keeps on keepin' on with the little boys.
This is where it comes back to him not being a normal predator. It's one thing to keep doing it, but a normal predator with the financial and influential means a celebrity like MJ had hides that shit and/or controls the narrative.
MJ repeatedly, even after the first lawsuit, even after his career was derailed, went on fucking national TV and defended sharing a bed with kids, full-throatedly arguing it's other people that are heartless for thinking it's weird. His entire career he was very, very open about his beliefs and surrounding himself with kids. Yes he was socially retarded but even retarded people have a self-preservation instinct.
you are just projecting, please point me out to someone who actually said that, most of the people who spent time with him as kids seem to like him. A couple are suing him for money for abuse and even them are not saying they were scared of him.
It's absurd now but at the time visiting Neverland and being MJ's friend would have the absolute tits for a kid. I remember reading the people vs. MJ trial transcripts and while there's a tremendous amount of BS to wade through there's little interesting nuggets in there. One of the turning points is the kid who'd previously praised MJ as Christ on earth in the Bashir 'documentary' changed his tune after other kids at school bullied him and called him a faggot after seeing him holding hands with MJ on TV. I can 100% believe that happened.
 
i have the hbo doc buried in my nas somewhere. This is a great example of how shitty streaming services are.

one of my boys was a hardcore mj defender and still is and he was invested in debunking the doc. all i remember about MJ is his nose and weird al's cover.
 
So corny. OJ Simpson was also found not guilty. The standards of the American justice system are high for a reason and jury trials are weird. I can still look at the things Michael Jackson freely admitted to doing, was filmed doing, and intuit that the man had an unhealthy relationship with children. As Chris Rock said, "Another kid? That's how much we love Michael, we let the first kid slide."
He didn't admit to anything. He settled out of court because his lawyer advised him to, because he was on tour, and it would have cost more money to miss the tour than pay out of court.

On film doing? Funny how that film was never entered into evidence, because it didn't exist.

The man was a child at heart, because his childhood was ruined by his asshole father. I guess Walt Disney was a weirdo too, because he liked making children happy.

Cory Haim who spent a lot of time with MJ is on record saying he was the only one who didn't try to diddle him. Yeah, MJ was a strange man, who did strange things, but if you thought you'r kid was honestly getting molested would you let them be alone with them multiple times?

A mentally damaged man with a lot of money? Sounds like an easy paycheck.
 
This is what it comes down to for me. Has there ever been a middle aged man who went out of his way to sleep with kids and didn't diddle them?

"But Michael was different!"

He really was.

Being a psychologically disturbed manchild isn't proof of innocence but I can't think of another actor/celebrity who wouldn't be able to live a normal life or know what a normal life is. By "normal life" I don't mean "understands the common man", but would be able to function in society, would be able to shop for food or clothes alone, would be able to have a conversation, and so on.

Even people whose mental capacities have clearly deteriorated, like Mike Tyson, have a better grip on reality.

The other thing to consider is that Michael Jackson always had an entourage, enablers, handlers, and others, most of which were in it for their personal gain and cared nothing for him or his well-being, if Jackson was guilty of everything they accused him of, you'd also have to indict a lot more people who were fully aware that there was abuse going on and did nothing/covered it up.
 
He really was.

Being a psychologically disturbed manchild isn't proof of innocence but I can't think of another actor/celebrity who wouldn't be able to live a normal life or know what a normal life is. By "normal life" I don't mean "understands the common man", but would be able to function in society, would be able to shop for food or clothes alone, would be able to have a conversation, and so on.

Even people whose mental capacities have clearly deteriorated, like Mike Tyson, have a better grip on reality.

The other thing to consider is that Michael Jackson always had an entourage, enablers, handlers, and others, most of which were in it for their personal gain and cared nothing for him or his well-being, if Jackson was guilty of everything they accused him of, you'd also have to indict a lot more people who were fully aware that there was abuse going on and did nothing/covered it up.

I just think it's statistically likely that he got diddly with some of those boys. From what we know of other men who've gone out of their way to arrange similar activities with young boys - sleep overs, etc. - it's almost never for innocent purposes. Therefore, if Michael's turn-ons really did end at merry-go-rounds and Mario Kart, then he truly was an extreme statistical outlier. My money would be on nonce though.
 
Im aware he's a cow on here but Raz0rfist has a four part video series on his channel going through all of the cases with the information available to the public that proves MJ's innocence fairly well.
Seconded on Raz0rfist being a cow but also on him absolutely decimating the case against him.
 
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