GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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BradeRunna said:
I paid $800 for my 4070 Ti Super a few months back. But I upgraded from a 2070 Super.
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Well you bought the TI Super, not the standard Super. The standard model at its cheapest IIRC was around 550. I paid a little extra for my MSI model, but still not insane. You got the full package with the extra ram at 16gb.
 
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Sounds like the plan is, "Mostly keep doing what Pat Gelsinger had started, because it's just now starting to pay off. But now I'm going to get all the credit for the 'turnaround'." I hate corporate America.

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The Ugly One said:
Sounds like the plan is, "Mostly keep doing what Pat Gelsinger had started, because it's just now starting to pay off. But now I'm going to get all the credit for the 'turnaround'." I hate corporate America.

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I just hope Panther Lake is good man. Arrow Lake looking at the data was interesting. Sucked at gaming. Was interesting with stuff like blender and AI. Not enough to really dive in but enough that im slightly hopeful that the next iteration might actually kick ass.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Sounds like the plan is, "Mostly keep doing what Pat Gelsinger had started, because it's just now starting to pay off. But now I'm going to get all the credit for the 'turnaround'." I hate corporate America.

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The last time I paid attention to Lip Service, he wanted to keep Intel Foundry in-house after all the rampant speculation of it being sold off, TSMC joint venture, etc. However, I think he might end up axing Pat's baby: discrete gaming GPUs.

Intel just got a chunk of change:
Intel and SK hynix close NAND business deal: Intel gets $1.9 billion, SK hynix gets IP and employees
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I think he might end up axing Pat's baby: discrete gaming GPUs.
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If they end up doing this, what are the odds they would sell their IP around their GPU division to some other company to take up the mantle? With so much work in progress on their drivers and their architecture designs, seems like a complete waste to not sell it off to some other company.
 
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4090 Chad said:
If they end up doing this, what are the odds they would sell their IP around their GPU division to some other company to take up the mantle? With so much work in progress on their drivers and their architecture designs, seems like a complete waste to not sell it off to some other company.
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Who would pay anything for a 1% market share of the gaming GPU space?
 
The Ugly One said:
Who would pay anything for a 1% market share of the gaming GPU space?
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I don't know about you, but i was forced to use their integrated Arc graphics in my laptop for a while before i built my PC. That is a lot of laptops BTW. Like a shit ton. Giving up Arc and their GPU hold would suck ass and set them back hard.
 
4090 Chad said:
If they end up doing this, what are the odds they would sell their IP around their GPU division to some other company to take up the mantle? With so much work in progress on their drivers and their architecture designs, seems like a complete waste to not sell it off to some other company.
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They will continue to make hundreds of millions of integrated GPUs based on Battlemage, Celestial, etc. Similar to dGPUs but adding VRAM into the equation caused them some (additional) driver problems apparently.

Though if someone wanted to license their technology Imagination-style, I don't see why they would turn them away.
 
4090 Chad said:
If they end up doing this, what are the odds they would sell their IP around their GPU division to some other company to take up the mantle? With so much work in progress on their drivers and their architecture designs, seems like a complete waste to not sell it off to some other company.
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They would still make a lot of iGPUs and they can't afford to get rid of all of their GPU work.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Well you bought the TI Super, not the standard Super. The standard model at its cheapest IIRC was around 550. I paid a little extra for my MSI model, but still not insane. You got the full package with the extra ram at 16gb.
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But I have future proofing in mind. I used my 2070 Super for 5 years. I want to get the same out of the 4070. I have had my 3700x for about as long.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
I just hope Panther Lake is good man. Arrow Lake looking at the data was interesting. Sucked at gaming. Was interesting with stuff like blender and AI. Not enough to really dive in but enough that im slightly hopeful that the next iteration might actually kick ass.
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Arrow lake is solid after tuning and is priced better than most of with zen5. Although z890 is already a dead platform if you believe the leaks, so no upgrade path there.
 
Get the rope Macaulay! said:
fact, every single Intel -Lake has sucked.
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Everything in the 14nm++++++++ era was fine. Low core counts until 8th/9th/10th gens, but they worked, bulldozed Bulldozer, and ended up very cheap since Intel makes so many of them for businesses.

Lunar Lake looks good, it's dipping down to around $500 (16 GB) on sale, but there is no direct sequel to it since the on-package memory was apparently too expensive. Instead, some of the lessons learned will make into Panther Lake, which are meant to be the efficient mobile chips sold concurrently with Arrow Lake and Nova Lake.

The real stinkers are Raptor Lake for degradation issues, and Arrow Lake for performance regressions, probably from lowering the ring bus voltage and switching from monolithic to chiplets for the first time on desktop. Panther Lake and Nova Lake could be much better, but they depend on 18A. From the leak I posted above, AMD is not messing around with Zen 6, although if it's coming out later in 2026, that gives a little opening to Intel.
 
Betonhaus said:
We did experiment with analog circuits way in the past, which would have multiple states at different voltages. But they were inaccurate because the power wasn't stable enough. I'm sure now we could probably revisit multi state circuits but binary is too prevalent.
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There were non-binary digital computers. ENIAC was one. But I seem to recall there being a proof somewhere that binary is fundamentally more efficient on a digital system than decimal.

But that doesn't really matter because binary can represent any integral number perfectly, and it can represent real numbers good enough. Who cares if you a buy a ram stick that says 32 GB [sic] or 32 GiB or 34 GB? The hard drive manufacturers report everything in metric. To estimate the sizes I need I have to look at the OS usage which is in binary and convert that to metric. The OS listing sizes in binary is useless for me.

'Wull telecom uses bits instead of——' yeah yeah okay retard. That's an easy conversion factor: 8. For binary to metric, the conversion factor varies for each prefix to each prefix.
 
George Lucas said:
Who cares if you a buy a ram stick that says 32 GB [sic] or 32 GiB or 34 GB?
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The attitude changes quickly once you buy a 4TB hard drive, only to see that you have a measly 3.63TB of space available. In reality it's 3.63TiB, but since Microsoft refused to be normal and call it that, you still have people getting confused, thinking they get scammed whenever they get a new drive, not to mention the lawsuits targeted both towards Microsoft and drive manufacturers over it. Over a single letter.
 
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