The Charity

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Yeah I double checked, I am in fact retarded, 501(c)s are not normally high risk. I was thinking they must have some internal matrix for discerning risk, and while they can’t really say why it was denied or provide any information, I thought it might be something in relation to the paperwork or finances provided. I know you got Hardin on lock for legal things, but I thought there might be some part of the finances of it that flagged it as a risk, granted your merry band of assholes literally setting up companies to fuck with you and pay people is more than likely the issue.

As Josh said, there's no traditional risk to allowing a company to use your payment processing service. The only "risk" in this case is people finding out XY Financial is facilitating payments for the evil kiwi farms, leading to a boycott of XY Financial and causing a loss of business as a result.

The pendulum has swung nowhere if Josh can't process payments.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

What does this mean?
Kiwifarms kill?

It means charity kill, not KF kill. One of the founding stipulations of the site is to stay up forever.
This is a war with many moving parts. I'd suggest you read off-site, on site, pro-site, anti-site views to get the bigger picture.

Basically, this site fights to have as little limitations on speech as possible, That's why in the DSP thread even personal attacks on Null, the admin, aren't censored (unlike reddit) because you are ideally allowed to express your thoughts without censorhip. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence, which is why this site keeps up every post, no matter how odd or depraved, to be picked up in the future as you typed it of your own volition. It won't censor you unless you broke a US law, sometimes not even then depending on severity. Most of the most mindnumbing idiotic posts go to spergatory, where you can still view them, just not visible on the surface.

On one side, censoring speech means voicing your ideas, no matter how controversial or beneficial, can be silenced if it usurps a higher power. On the other side, having unlimited free speech means even the most vilest ideas get a say. KF has tried to maintain as free speech of a site as possible without going too extreme such as "Kill X at adress here is his schedule" or "Lets make a thread where we discuss getting away with violent/sex crimes". It was supposed to be a site to discuss odd people, not a site to direct kill squads or shield pedophiles etc, thats not it's goal.

What this implies, is that higher ups who are pro censoring, can leverage power over KF and violate it's right to stay up (as it's US legal) by pressuring it financially and legally in the long run. So while technically, it shut down due to a termination of service, in reality it has been deprived of financial and web infrastructure which maintains it.

Reddit will ban a pedophile/zoophile/murderer, who will make an alt, to be banned again. KF will keep what the pedo/zoo./murderer said, giving a window later to connect the dots so a random user adds a face and name to the words, which was the beauty of it. And got people arrested. Depending on where you lean politically, this is a good or bad thing.

 

[Cemetery Support]

I'm sorry man

 

[Terror Sandwich]

my tweet got 200 likes so try to get that multiplied by a thousand and we stand a chance

To get a little more visibility on X you could try to "Quote retweet" from your Josh account and say something really catchy to try and get people's attention. Something like "My charity is getting debanked."
I saw that you did a normal retweet, but no one pays attention to retweets, especially when it's white background wall-of-text image from a profile they have never seen before.

 

[Slav Power]

I think I'd need some commitments from the culturewars slop youtubers before I commit to the litigation.

Burn through all the remaining payment processors there are like with hosting companies, build a dossier of every entity, every company, every person that refused to bank you, use that in litigation as proofs.

And don't read my post because you've blocked me.
Or read it and get mad that I'm suggesting something again.

 

[Schizo Rat]

Could a local small credit union work?

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think you'd have to sue for some sort of discrimination. But paying for such a lawsuit is a bigger issue. Also after spending all the money the government could just say "no", and then you're out the money and time. Also is this the best version of this situation to create a precedent? When things become legal theoretical it's a bad sign.

It sucks to suggest because its literally tilting at windmills and destined for failure barring a miracle, but you could try suing the Comptroller of Currency. Technically its their job to make sure people have fair access to banking services, but there is no law that defines what "fair" is. So you would have to make a "rights" argument under the Constitution. You may have an "in" with President Trumps executive orders on financial fairness, which could possibly get you a Writ of Mandamus to compel the OCC to tell the banks to knock it off in your case specifically. Again though, esoteric lawfare that doesn't have much precedent and strays pretty close to Sov-Cit territory lolsuits.

But then you case truly is a Kafka tier nightmare of impenetrable beaurocracy and catch-22's.

When in Rome the legal theoretical become your only options. The money is easy. Drop Kiwi Farms financed itself under worse conditions. Winning is the hard part. But for things to get better its what must be done.

 

[Looney Troons]

Shitty news to end a Friday afternoon. I’m sure you know the reasoning why you were denied, but can Hardin compel them to give you the reasoning on paper?

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

SO having an internet connection is a basic human right.

BUT in a world where most shops no longer accept physical cash and you have to swipe your goycard, IT'S STILL NOT A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT TO BE HAVE ACCESS TO A PAYMENT PROCESSOR.

FUCK THE JEWS.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

I feel this rises to the level violation of fundamental human rights at this point, and there's nothing to be done about it.

Honestly it really IS a human rights violation in a much more real way than a lot of crap. Many people sperg (in my opinion) about human rights violations which are relatively minor in comparison, but actively being DENIED a payment processor is effectively denying several other rights by proxy.

As for arguing it, shit, idk. Argument wise I suppose you could say the inability to use funds essentially restricts other human rights like freedom of speech, travel, right to food, or whatever, but as for someone LISTENING, that might be another issue.

I find it weird, SEIZING a bank account has all kinds of restrictions, rules, ect, a govt (supposedly) shouldn't be able to just fucking SEIZE it. But if a processor friezes it (kinda a psudo seize??) by refusing it, its fine despite being the same result which IS illegal. Really it SHOULD be a violation since even the most basic logic jumps show it as such, but I don't think it would work unless you took it to court somehow. I mean money like it or not is a necessary vehicle for so much and so if you have a RIGHT, but that right costs money, but the processor refuses to let you USE that money, thats a human rights violation, and I think its pretty clear.

Going to court with a payment processor sounds FUCKING AWFUL, but especially if you could make good examples of things you INTENDED to do with the money which are ENSHRINED rights which are not to be restricted in the united states, but were, in essence, restricted due to this, I wonder if you would have a case?
The logic isn't entirely off from what I've heard of in some case law, since if something is expressly illegal and you just do the illegal shit with extra steps, and its clear, it should (in theory) be treated the same (discrimination on sex and other characteristics has been treated like that historically, IE "we don't discriminate against women, you just have to carry x weight", is still legally seen as discriminating against women in many places). Then the issue is just finding a solid case of a thing you were trying to do, which you were PREVENTED from doing, which it would be illegal for a company to prevent you from doing via OTHER means. Maybe im a bit too stupid to know what this would be, I'm guessing its not food since you clearly love your cheese but, its a thought?

Maybe all my thinking is total dog shit here, but im trying.

And heres a really really retarded thought but....Kiwi religion?..... Religion IS a protected class, that coveted, special, wonderful thing which supposedly is immune to stuff like these kinda stuff if its "targeting a religion". If you made a religion about your forum and could basically imbued your forums and charities goals into a recognized religion, this COULD function as a bulwark against that, since then it would be discrimination against your religion. Sounds weird but, its a thought.

Forgive me if literally everything I said is stupid, I feel like I'm throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks.

 

[Owlbear]

can you retards stop talking about BANK ACCOUNTS? It's PAYMENT PROCESSING. There's no off-shore payment processor, it's still always Mastercard/Visa.

This is why Dan Bongino made his "parallel economy" grift. Even his conservatard shit isn't repulsive to Visa and Mastercard, though.

I'm sort of surprised that there isn't a Maltese high-risk payment processor or something that would work, but maybe Jewsh is on some list somewhere. That sounds antisemitic to me, though.

 

[Cynically Insane]

just start an onlyfans and get it over with

Honestly this isn't the worst idea. OF was originally intended to be a Patreon competitor. Josh could start an account, Do a monthly video update on the state of the orginization and we can contribute financially either monthly or ad hoc.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

I'm too ignorant of the finer details to offer any kind of suggestion, but try to stay optimistic. It's been working out really well for me so far.

Edit: I was catching up on stream and you literally said the same thing right after I hit reply, so even that advice was pointless!

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Can't you just open a sister company that has nothing to do with the farms, that then funnels money to the farms, or you, or a third party company, set up by you, in a foreign country?

Jews can shuffle pennies at the speed of light between thousands of tax-evading islands and nations states. Surely you can knock something together?

 

[Kiwisee]

So, if I'm understanding this right:

Payment processors are willing to work with platforms that openly host CP and pedophile runnextortion rings (Facebook, Xitter and Discord) but saying men can't become women is just too much?

The fuck man

 

[beautiful person]

What. The. Fuck.

Everything fucking sucks.

 

[Owlbear]

So, if I'm understanding this right:

Payment processors are willing to work with platforms that openly host CP and pedophile runnextortion rings (Facebook, Xitter and Discord) but saying men can't become women is just too much?

The fuck man

There's always the democrat strategy of using a legitimate-looking organization as the payment handler for your crime ring. This is what "ActBlue" does. It processes donations for all their money laundering schemes and pedophile rings.

 

[Chudborean]

Basically, this site fights to have as little limitations on speech as possible

This site is not a free speech site, null has said so himself, if you act like a retard you will very quickly end up with a perma.
The free speech advocacy of this site comes from groups of people trying to depaltform this site often to hide from their misdeeds which gets documented here, basically censoring free speech.

 

[WirelessMonitoring]

The Kiwifarm's status as a disruptive technology cannot be underestimated. Industry giants, like Google, will look at technology startups, find the ones that could disrupt the industry, invest on the condition they get a seat on the board, and then shut it down forever. Imagine a world were you do not have to pay for background checks, and you can just get a report on the 45 year gambling/crack addict, who is trying to get a job at your Goodwill FOR FREE. Or a site that takes a percentage of traffic from Internet giants because it is the only site that hosts entertainment that does not have an ad-friendly filter (e.g. suicide = un-alived).

Currently, the Kiwifarms surfers from having no reason to make someone want to do business with them. A payment processor is not going to see more than at 0.000002% uptick is business, but get a great deal of harassment by working with the Kiwifarms. Silicon valley is not going to see more investment come in or profit, but they will lose control by allowing the Kiwifarms to get a foot hold.

The real problem is that everything the Kiwifarms does is exportable. Youtubers steal videos, images and articles from the Kiwifarms and make a killing; all off the backs of the users of this site. Drama is the main export of this site and there needs to be a way to harness it, make money, and grow the site (harder said than done).

 

[Null]

Maltese high-risk payment processor

because the core issues are the same:
(1) PATRIOT Act, Title III
(2) Mastercard, Visa, Amex, and Discovery collectively and independently set rules all processors must adhere to.

There's no way to make a "free" payment processor because such a concept is inherently both against federal regulation and against corporate oversight.