- Joined
- Mar 17, 2019
Proton and Mullvad are in the same position, as far as not retrospectively collecting logs for all user connections, traffic etc. What happened with Proton is that they were ordered to collect more data, and they chose not to break the law.I cannot recommend any other VPN in good faith while Mullvad is still around. Not only are they run by privacy schizo ideologues that have proven they do not log user data as of the time they got raided in 2023, they're also working on tools to fuck with modern AI data scrapers. Proton, on the other hand, did hand user data over to the Swiss feds when hit with a court order. That's enough to earn a them 'no, thank you' in my book.
While I do personally prefer Mullvad for their policy of not collecting emails and other details, including apparently only collecting limited payment information, around a user account, let's not kid ourselves that they are immune to court orders. They are not going to shut down their company or go to jail over refusing a Swedish court order. If they are ordered by a Swedish court to add additional logging to log all clients connecting to the (let's face it, usually quite limited) range of VPN servers that a particular user might use, and log all outgoing traffic from that server, and connect the dots about the two for authorities, they will. This could be ordered secretly- under the Swedish Signals Intelligence Act, for example- and they would not be allowed to disclose it.
If they haven't been ordered to do such data collection under the SIGINT act or other laws, why not add a warrant canary?
Is Mullvad and Proton safe to use for torrenting the latest episode of 'Reacher'? Yes. Are Mullvad and Proton safe to use for shitposting online? In many cases, sure. But neither provide full protection if you're being targeted by the enemies of humanity.