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[TowinKarz]

Wonder how badly you could break his brain by letting him extoll the virtues of being able to be drunk all the time as long as there's public transport and then telling him "I don't drink" ?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I just realized that he is admitting that he can’t cook anything besides pizza rolls. Suburban houses have large kitchens where you can cook any dish imaginable.

Also, why would a home bartender water down his drinks? That’s a tactic commercial bars use to save money; no one does that to their own drinks. Is he so greedy that he dilutes drinks he serves his friends?

Also, if you want to learn how to make fancy cocktails, all you have to do is buy the cookbook that every trendy bar uses.

Yeah. If you really enjoy mixed drinks, suburbs are the way to go. Unless you live in a cucked ABC state, every state has either large, stand-alone liquor stores (>10k square feet) if not available in the supermarket itself. You keep the liquor (it will stay indefinitely) in a liquor cabinet, you keep the perishable stuff in the fridge, and unless you're making something super-specialized you probably have half the mixers and garnishes already (orange juice, lemons, Tabasco sauce, etc.). I don't really drink (except on holidays/special occasions) but keep essentials around (whiskey, tequila, triple sec, vodka, absinthe, etc.). You generally don't put top-shelf stuff (good bourbon, etc.) in mixed drinks, and when a mixed drink cost $10 or more in a bar, you can drop $50 on drinks plus tips in a single night, or put that same money into a very basic setup that covers most of the essentials that covers many drinks.

Also, why would a home bartender water down his drinks? That’s a tactic commercial bars use to save money; no one does that to their own drinks. Is he so greedy that he dilutes drinks he serves his friends?

I think he believes his own shit that anyone living in the suburbs is literally stupider than the enlightened ones living in apartments. Learning how to mix drinks can be a fun and rewarding hobby for anyone, but I doubt he knows how to do it or would bother to learn.

 

[Atypical Dog]

Also, why would a home bartender water down his drinks? That’s a tactic commercial bars use to save money; no one does that to their own drinks. Is he so greedy that he dilutes drinks he serves his friends?

That's a low blow, or cheaping out on a shopping run. Or an admission of not having friends.

Besides I find homes beat bars for entertaining anyway. The latter are noisy and have people other than friends in them.

 

[The Grimace]

Yeah. If you really enjoy mixed drinks, suburbs are the way to go. Unless you live in a cucked ABC state, every state has either large, stand-alone liquor stores (>10k square feet) if not available in the supermarket itself.

I remember going to Indiana years ago and tried to buy alcohol from a convenience store. They wouldn't let me buy the stupid thing "because it's a Sunday." Is that just some weird law enforced by a city or county, rather than the state? I couldn't believe the ridiculousness of it.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I remember going to Indiana years ago and tried to buy alcohol from a convenience store. They wouldn't let me buy the stupid thing "because it's a Sunday." Is that just some weird law enforced by a city or county, rather than the state? I couldn't believe the ridiculousness of it.

Yeah, they're generally called... Sunday laws.

Strange that for all the JWs screech about shit like that they never bring these up.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I remember going to Indiana years ago and tried to buy alcohol from a convenience store. They wouldn't let me buy the stupid thing "because it's a Sunday." Is that just some weird law enforced by a city or county, rather than the state? I couldn't believe the ridiculousness of it.

Texas is like that too, they are county/town level laws. I wonder how effective those laws are? Surely they must lead to an increase of DUIs because people need to drive further to find a bar or liquor store.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Texas is like that too, they are county/town level laws. I wonder how effective those laws are? Surely they must lead to an increase of DUIs because people need to drive further to find a bar or liquor store.

The current law is beer and wine is okay on Sunday after 10 am (with shorter hours in grocery stores now, not a problem unless you do grocery shopping when stores open) and liquor stores are still closed Sunday, which is inconvenient but a lot of other places are closed too. (Good luck trying to mail something out).

There used to be a lot more totally-dry areas in the state including a small portion of inner Houston but over the years most of these laws have been voted out of existence.

Alcohol sales in the United States are extremely inconsistent, it really depends on where you are.

Point is, you can STILL do better buying your own.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

and when a mixed drink cost $10 or more in a bar, you can drop $50 on drinks plus tips in a single night

A single hour, even, depending on how you're splitting up the bill ad how heavy of a drinker you are and how small the drinks are. Some places make really small mixed drinks and some places just plain produce a population that drinks more heavily than others.

I can down five Old Fashioneds or Whiskey Sours in an hour without trying, especially if they're in a tumbler glass. That's why most bars around here mix their drinks in pint glasses

 

[Vonel]

when a mixed drink cost $10 or more in a bar, you can drop $50 on drinks plus tips in a single night, or put that same money into a very basic setup that covers most of the essentials that covers many drinks.

'Going Out' is a great litmus test to see what economic lifestyle someone lives. Jason doesn't realize it, but the nonsensical strawmen he made in his video unironically come from a position of privilege and isolation. People don't go out often because a pint of beer is ~10ish dollars now, not that a trust fundie petit-bourgeoisie like Jason Slaughter would know anything about what normal people deal with.


His 'argument' in the mancave video rests on the idea that at home you don't have exposed red brickereino walls and your kids will be loud, so instead go to a trendy millennial soypub (he doesn't actually mean divebar because most dives don't serve food and the ones that do suck because you know people go there to drink). What he's really upset over is other people being able to have private social events (i.e., ones without obnoxious redditors like him) that he can't insert himself into. The only people who make these kinds of arguments are socially retarded individuals who don't have the social skills to make friends.
Imagine being so lonely you seethe over other people who have friend groups that invite each other for house/apartment parties lol.

People don't like being forced into communal spaces, look how the USSR's social experiements went. God fobid you have a space where you can recharge your social battery, sounds kinda abelist towards introverts doesn't it.

The disdain towards childhood along with the 'go outside of your mancave to interact with family/have fun with your kids' bit makes me wonder how his formative years were because the tone in this video is dripping with an unusually high level of irony-masked vitriol.


TL;DR: Hey Jason, just let people enjoy things you urbanist CHUD.

 

[quaawaa]

Idaho's legislature just passed a series of two extremely based bills making it a misdemeanor for city officials to diet roads:




From the bills' sponsors:




The article also pushes the induced demand myth:

Houston has very little congestion relative to its population, while heavily congested Los Angeles and Seattle are both run by urbanists who exclusively invest in transit and shrink roads. Amazing how brazen these urban planners can be that they'll use the failures of their policies to justify them.

Source (Archive)

 

[Xarpho's Return]

A single hour, even, depending on how you're splitting up the bill ad how heavy of a drinker you are and how small the drinks are. Some places make really small mixed drinks and some places just plain produce a population that drinks more heavily than others.

I can down five Old Fashioneds or Whiskey Sours in an hour without trying, especially if they're in a tumbler glass. That's why most bars around here mix their drinks in pint glasses

$10 is an extremely conservative estimate for what I'm getting at. Heavy drinkers and hipster bars definitely more (average price in New York is $18-$20 in non-hipster establishments). I was going after the drink price at a moderately priced (mains $10-$20) local seafood restaurant.

Which only proves my point, it's not twice as much for liquor and other essentials, meaning your cost savings are even greater in urban areas. They'll never compare the price of a cheap car to a cargo bike (these things usually start at $1000) when a car is infinitely more useful. They rarely talk about transit prices at non-student subsidies, and often they use the most outrageous strawmen (payments on an $80k pickup truck). If money is no object, you'll enjoy almost all of the suburban amenities in an urban environment but that requires something like >$300k a year, wagies need not apply. The idea of suburbs was that they were cheaper to enjoy a better lifestyle with the small tradeoff of slightly increased commute times.

 

[quaawaa]

Jason went to the Amsterdam Tesla protest:


Including Jason, I counted 18 people. Elon must be shaking in his boots.

Screenshot is from his live stream:

Spoiler: Potato Archive

He also made a website promoting the protest: https://notjustbikes.com/tesla/ (archive)

​

Tegen Tesla Protest, Amsterdam​

What is this protest all about?​

The group "Tegen Tesla" will be protesting outside of the Tesla dealership in Amsterdam on March 29th, 2025, from 1200 to 1500. More information can be found here or on the Action Network website.

Why are you promoting this?​

Not Just Bikes has been anti-Tesla for a while now, though for reasons unrelated to Elon. There is now a more pressing need to boycott Tesla, especially in Europe.
Elon Musk is a white supremecist and neo-nazi who has interfered in elections in the EU and elsewhere. It is extremely dangerous to our democracy and the stability of our nations to have the richest man in the world being a neo-nazi and be interfering with elections.

Elon has also called Canada "not a real country", the same phrase Putin used to describe Ukraine before the invasion, at a time when Canadian sovereignty is being threatened by Trump.

I want the EU to be free of election interference from foreign billionaires and I want Canada to remain a sovereign nation, so I would like to reduce his ability to do these things.

OK, but that's Elon. Why do you care about Tesla?​

Elon is very rich and powerful, but a lot of his liquid wealth is dependant on the Tesla stock price, which makes him very vulnerable to the price of TSLA stock. We can help lower the price of that stock.

It's actually rare that there are protests that have as clear a purpose and desired outcome as this one. It's actually very straightforward.

Why would Tesla stock price matter? Doesn't Elon have other sources of wealth like SpaceX?​

Elon, like most billionaires, has his wealth in stock that he cannot sell without reducing its value. So his major source of liquid assets (cash to buy things) comes from loans that use Tesla stock as collateral. SpaceX is a private company, and it's much harder to do this. If the price of Tesla stock crashes, it will be much more difficult for Elon to raise the funds he needs to, for example, buy elections.

Furthermore, Elon bought Twitter in part with loans that used Tesla stock as collateral. We don't know the terms of those loans, but it's typical for them to have a minimum price that must be met for the collateral to have value. If the price of Tesla stock drops below that number, Elon will get a "margin call" and will be required to sell stock to cover for it.
Could Elon Musk Face Margin Call Over Tesla Stock? What We Know

Elon isn't a Nazi! He didn't make a Nazi salute!​

Yes, he did, despite the best attempt of American media to cover for him. But this is much more than that: Elon has tweeted, retweeted, and commented on far-right neo-nazi tweets for years, and has publicly supported the AFD far-right neo-nazi party in Germany, including video calling into one of their rallies.
Elon Musk wants the far right AfD to win the German election - here’s how he became their champion



Reddit: For those not convinced, here’s proof from a Neo-Nazi
Go to his twitter feed right now and read it. It will not take you long to find him promoting white nationalist and neo-nazi content. Since Elon bought Twitter you can get banned for posting "cis" but not the n-word. He has invited dozens of accounts who were previously banned for tweeting neo-nazi and racist content while banning journalists and other people he doesn't like.
Gee, Guess What Twitter Just Did to Accounts Critical of Elon Musk?
There is no doubt about the fact that Elon is a neo-nazi white supremacist. The nazi salute was just what (finally) made the general public in Europe realise this fact. You can read more here:
‘The gesture speaks for itself’: Germans respond to Musk’s apparent Nazi salute

Other politicians also made the same gesture but you don't care.​

This isn't just about the (objectively clear) nazi salute, but regardless, there's a reason why you see only still images of those supposed other 'nazi salutes' and never video.

Are you really that angry about DOGE? Elon is just improving government efficiency!​

DOGE is destructive and unconstitutional but that is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with DOGE, and Europeans don't care much about it. DOGE is an American problem: this is about Elon Must being a powerful neo-nazi who has interfered with EU elections.

Doesn't Tesla embody everything this channel stands for?​

No, of course not. This channel is not pro-car in any way. Obviously if cars must be used, electric is better than ICE, but at the same time, almost any electric car is better for cities than a Tesla. Microcars especially are a better car for the Netherlands, and there are many options from several manufacturers.

Teslas are overpowered luxury electric vehicles. Their powerful motors encourage drivers to speed, which is the antithesis of everything I talk about on NJB. Tesla is moving towards large, dangerous vehicles for the US market. The Cybertruck is illegal in the EU because it cannot pass safety tests, including pedestrian safety tests.

Tesla does not care about safety. They have released unfinished "beta" software for full self-drive that does not work. I have personally almost had a serious crash when using FSD. We should not allow companies to use the public roads for their beta testing.

Tesla vehicles are also wider than many EU electric vehicles, which causes problems with narrow Dutch streets. I can't pass a Telsa on the street when on a bicycle because they are so wide! See here how a Model S compares to a Renault Zoe (a common EU electric car):
Carsized.com Comparison - Zoë to Model S
Carsized.com Comparison - Zoë to Model 3
Elon Musk has also very publicly fought against public transportation. This is the antithesis of NJB in every way. Elon and Tesla are no friends to urbanism.

Without Tesla everyone will buy ICE cars!​

No, certainly not in Europe. There are many, many other electric cars available for sale from both EU and foreign manufacturers. And we have lots of electric charging infrastructure compatible with all brands, not just Tesla Superchargers, like in the US.

I thought you cared about climate change, now you're anti-Telsa!​

We will never solve climate change by converting all gas cars to electric cars. We need fewer cars, and the cars we have left need to be smaller, lighter, and safer. Tesla is the exact opposite of that. As Brent Toderian often says, "electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the planet."

But regardless, fighting climate change is irrelevant if we let fascists take over our governments.

This will hurt the employees of Tesla!​

That is true of any boycott, so it's not a particularly useful objection. But if you are genuinely concerned about the workers, then you should be angy that Tesla aggressively fights unionisation. In Sweden, Tesla is responsible for the longest union strike in the past 80 years. We should be encouraging electric cars made with union labor, not Tesla. You can read more here:
Wikipedia - Tesla and trade unions

I can't believe you condone violence and vandalism!​

Don't be stupid. We're going to a non-violent protest. Take your fake outrage elsewhere.

Other car brands are bad too! Why aren't you protesting them!?​

This is stupid whataboutism and not even worth responding to. Right now it is Elon who is meddling in elections and trying to grab power. We can deal with other problems later.

I just want urban planning without the politics!​

OK. Go watch something else then. Nobody's forcing you to watch this livestream. But if you think you can separate urban planning from politics you are delusional.

I'm mad and I'm unsubscribing!​

OK.

This is stupid. You're stupid.​

No u.

If you are an American, understand that your media is captured by billionaires. You are not getting properly informed. Please start reading international news sources. Or maybe go sign up for Ground News.

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[Sleazy Car Salesman]

$10 is an extremely conservative estimate for what I'm getting at. Heavy drinkers and hipster bars definitely more (average price in New York is $18-$20 in non-hipster establishments). I was going after the drink price at a moderately priced (mains $10-$20) local seafood restaurant.

Where I live a $10 mixed drink would get you lynched, unless it was a Bloody Mary where they literally put three entire sliders on the stick and serve it in a big glass (and yes a local bar near me does that). Around here tap beers are typically about five bucks and mixers are about seven, and that's not during Happy Hour where you can spend as little as $4 on mixers and $3 on beers. And most places will do a Double Bubble on tap beers even with the price drop.

Edit to add: Most places around here serve mixers in pint glasses instead of tumbler glasses too.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The article also pushes the induced demand myth:

Houston has very little congestion relative to its population, while heavily congested Los Angeles and Seattle are both run by urbanists who exclusively invest in transit and shrink roads. Amazing how brazen these urban planners can be that they'll use the failures of their policies to justify them.

You can look at Austin vs. Houston. Both deal with rapidly growing areas and continue to sprawl. Houston is much, much, larger in population but its congestion is under control while Austin's I-35 grinds to a halt on the regular. Austin is somewhat limited in the fact that it hasn't grown out in all directions the same way Houston has, but it's also a good reflection of urbanist ideas vs. urbanist realities. The fact that I-35 south of the Colorado River hasn't been widened in decades hasn't stopped growth and sprawl in that direction.

"Induced demand" as originally studied is a generally positive relation (not 1:1 as abstracted) between highway growth and population growth. "Induced demand" as urbanists imagine it means that somehow that sprawl will magically stop if you don't widen freeways.

Where I live a $10 mixed drink would get you lynched, unless it was a Bloody Mary where they literally put three entire sliders on the stick and serve it in a big glass (and yes a local bar near me does that). Around here tap beers are typically about five bucks and mixers are about seven, and that's not during Happy Hour where you can spend as little as $4 on mixers and $3 on beers. And most places will do a Double Bubble on tap beers even with the price drop.

Edit to add: Most places around here serve mixers in pint glasses instead of tumbler glasses too.

I should mention $10 was one of the restaurant's specialty drinks, not an IBA standard cocktail. But again, that only goes to show how outrageous NYC's mixed drinks are. The idea of not getting liquor and instead paying for overpriced cocktails is probably just an outgrowth of "why buy something when I can spend four times the cost and get someone else to do it for me" idea. It makes sense if your time is extremely valuable and you have near-unlimited money to spend but it's a waste of money for anyone else—while their focus is switched to mail now, places like FedEx Office, the UPS Store, and similar stores profit off of retards who will spend several dollars to print a few pages while an inexpensive laser printer can do everything cheaper and easier.

We're going to a non-violent protest.

For leftists, "non-violent" can literally mean anything up to "we won't actually physically assault people unprovoked". He's endorsed violence and vandalism before, why wouldn't he lie this time?

 

[Red flaming panda]

Lol, nice protest, faggots.

 

[Ghostse]

Jason went to the Amsterdam Tesla protest:

"This is how many people actually care"

All I going to say is: Its me, I'm currently the urban bugman with a bike, and God I hate this fucking clown and his ilk. Bikes are good for short trips when everything is close by, but you need cars or else you end up with a ton of wasted land duplicating services/stores

If you are an American, understand that your media is captured by billionaires.

Hey Jason, better not bring that up too much. It'll bring up uncomfortable questions about Billionaires and what sort of ethnoreligious background they have.

Suburbanites Have Gone Back to Living in Caves

Has this retard never seen a suburban or small town park? The kind you can actually visit with kids at all hours because they aren't overrun with Yoofs or hobo squatters doing heroin?
This nigga has never heard of house parties beause its all Eurofag row housing.

Also, during a previous bout of Urban Bugmanning - everyone would just drink at the building's pool or other units. At most we'd go out to da club a couple times a month during the summer but fucking LOL if you aren't pregamed to hell before you get in the door with $20 drinks you have to wait half and hour to be served. (Also fucking LOL if you aren't rolling in with a pocket protector.) But then again, none of us had Youtube simp money to blow on a grasshopper lifestyle.
He's going to change his tune once he gets a boyfriend and they adopt an african child.

 

[Yamamura]

Recently a video appeared on my feed:

As usual it's the same old "trugs are too big, they don't make'em like they used to, muh kei trucks" spiel. I'm really getting tired of this song and dance. It really is easy to get these people to clap like seals by reaffirming their talking points.

As usual these types of videos draw out the usual suspects.

Yes and I smile when the rent on your bughive increases. If the price of fuel goes up so does everything else including other goods and services.

 

[Paper Machete]

People talk a lot about using trucks for work/utility but then keep mentioning small trucks. Really only advantage to a small truck is throwing shit in the bed. Which is useful. I guess. But hauling? Smaller trucks are absolute dog shit. And the newer-ish, bigger models of trucks are safer hauling anything above 2,000 lbs. because being heavier equals better stopping power, longer is better stability because the wheel base is spread further apart. The interiors are made to be more comfortable to keep pace with advancements in comfort.

I'm soon to be looking for one for hauling a trailer (RIP). You can barely get away with a half-ton if you have a 5l v8 and only haul a dinky bumper pull that only can fit 2 horses. If you don't have that beefy of an engine than most modern trucks get surprisingly decent mileage, about similar to most sedans still on the road that I bet a lot of these people drive. But that's why a lot of people get those big trucks. They're hauling something. A trailer with landscaping supplies, a horse trailer, a toy hauler, loading up on hay, moving around farm equipment, or a camper. A beefy truck is the safest and the more headroom you have the less stressed the engine will be when hauling which equals longevity. You then have to use it as a daily driver unless you have the money to pay for insurance and maintenance and payments/registration on two cars. Most people don't. Or don't want to.

I think it's funny they advocate for small trucks for utility as opposed to those pavement princesses. But it's just an ideological thing. A red-blooded F-150 symbolizes something they have nothing but distaste for. So they'd like to see less of it.

 

[Yamamura]

People talk a lot about using trucks for work/utility but then keep mentioning small trucks.

If we're being real the urbanists who are suggesting using Kei trucks to do any actual work have no stake in anything and should be treated the same as the gun control people wingeing over the AR15. They are disingenuous cretins who want to justify it by showing pictures of a small child standing next to a truck and being like "oh what if little Timmy was standing 1 foot away from the bumper while crouched down"

 

[S.C.U.D.]

I had to talk to someone very close to me last night who insists the future is mass transit. This dude drives a BMW. I told him that if he thinks mass transit is so great he should go car-free and only take the city bus for the next six months. His cope was "well, we need GOOD public transit first!"