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The Michael Jackson Documentary That Shook the World Has Vanished​


The sequel to Leaving Neverland is here, but the original is nowhere in sight.​


When Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO a little over six years ago, the two-part, four-hour documentary sparked a long-overdue reckoning with the legacy of Michael Jackson. Composed largely of interviews with two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who say that Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them when they were children, the movie seemed to be the tipping point after nearly three decades of rumors, investigations, and out-of-court settlements, prompting a flood of media coverage that included more than a dozen articles in Slate alone. The #MeToo movement had, it seemed, inaugurated a cultural sea change. The rich and famous were no longer considered innocent by default, and their accusers were not immediately suspect. We would never see MJ the same way again.

Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson, director Dan Reed’s sequel to his bombshell documentary, was released on Tuesday. But this time, it was greeted with virtual silence. Whereas the first movie premiered at the Sundance Film Festival to a room packed with journalists, the second simply popped up on YouTube, less than a month after the entertainment industry trades broke the news of its existence. As of midafternoon Friday, it had 38,000 views.

At a little over 53 minutes, Leaving Neverland 2 is more of an update than a self-contained work, mostly covering Robson and Safechuck’s attempts to pursue legal action against Jackson’s estate in the years since the first movie aired. But if you’re looking to refresh your memory of the original film, you’ll have to make do with the new one’s brief excerpts, because Leaving Neverland effectively no longer exists, at least in the U.S. Relying on a nondisparagement clause in a deal to air a 1992 concert, Jackson’s estate sued HBO for breach of contract, and after five years in court, the network agreed to a settlement that included permanently removing the movie from its Max streaming platform; although Leaving Neverland was released on DVD, the disc is now out of print, and a used copy is nearly $100 on eBay. (In an unexpected twist, you can still stream the film in the U.K., where plaintiff-friendly libel laws usually make it much more difficult to report on public figures, and the second part was broadcast on Channel 4 this week.) MJ, the stage musical based on Jackson’s life, was nominated for 10 Tonys and is now in its fourth year on Broadway; the Cirque du Soleil spectacle set to his music is still running in Las Vegas; and a Hollywood biopic, directed by Training Day’s Antoine Fuqua, has already been filmed, though its release date is uncertain. #MeToo has become #NeverMind.

On its own, Leaving Neverland 2 is, unfortunately, not much to speak of. At Sundance, Reed said that he shot interviews with attorneys on both sides of the case but opted not to use them, focusing exclusively on Robson, Safechuck, and the families. In the sequel, lawyers take center stage. Vince Finaldi and John Manly, whose California practice specializes in civil litigation related to sexual abuse, ably guide us through the basis of their lawsuit, which alleges that the companies Jackson formed to manage his affairs should be held liable for his actions even after his death. But while they convey a sense of dedication to the cause, they can’t be as compelling as Jackson’s alleged victims themselves.

For years, Jackson and his representatives, both legal and public, have argued that his accusers are motivated solely by the desire for money. (The Hollywood biopic is reportedly mired in legal issues because its third act depicts the family of Jordan Chandler, the then-13-year-old who accused Jackson of sexual abuse in 1993, as money-grubbing opportunists.) And they’ve pointed to the fact that Robson and Safechuck both defended Jackson in court. Leaving Neverland devotes a good chunk of its length to explaining why they lied under oath, and although the sequel repeats that explanation in truncated form, it takes time to walk an audience through the emotional logic of defending your alleged abuser, time this brief addendum doesn’t have. As for being in it for the money: With Jackson dead, there aren’t many avenues for justice available to his alleged victims except for the monetary rewards of a civil judgment and the attendant public vindication. And even if their motivations are financial, his estate’s seem unlikely to be less so—especially since megastars like Jackson are most profitable when they’re reinjected into the culture over and over again, and that’s a lot harder to do when the good feelings associated with their songs become associated with a toxic personal brand.

That’s why the most fascinating part of Leaving Neverland 2 has almost nothing to do with Robson and Safechuck. After years of failing to get an on-camera response from Jackson’s estate or his family, Reed turns instead to his fans, who are as much the guardians of his legacy as anyone who holds the rights. Most take Jackson’s side, of course, with one suggesting that Leaving Neverland, which went to almost unbearable lengths to describe when and how Jackson allegedly abused his victims, didn’t go into enough specifics to be convincing. (A clearly stunned Reed asks, off camera, “That wasn’t detailed enough for you?”) But one, a middle-aged Black man identified only as “Z,” says that watching the original documentary set him on a path of questioning and reinvestigating everything he thought he knew. And when he dug around, he says, “I didn’t like what I saw.” It’s a reminder of how powerful the impact of Leaving Neverland was, and of how ominous it is that, at a time when media access is under the near-total control of streaming conglomerates, it’s possible for a movie of such historic and cultural importance to simply disappear.
 
this is all an excellent example of people confusing legal liability and the beyond a reasonable doubt standard for criminal conviction with regular life
It isn't really. The OJ case is a case where an incompetent prosecution, a screwed up case, a star witness committing perjury, and an incompetent medical expert (Vanatter), a celebrity-addled judge (Ito), and a dream team of monster lawyers managed to barely get off a guy who was clearly guilty.

Jackson was screwed to the wall by people of a certain religious persuasion who really wanted the Beatles catalog he had. They Wormtongued him into settling a civil lawsuit which was utterly vaporous because it would be cheaper than fighting it and cutting his tour short. (Basically marking him a free moneybag for future rapesuits.)

Then he was prosecuted twice criminally, draining more of his resources. They lost both times. But by the end of it all, even though his legal team proved almost all the evidence against him was either completely weak or even outright, provably lies, with one of the witnesses openly saying he intended to falsely accuse him just to make money, wow, he ran out of money. Had to sell that Beatles catalog.

Thanks Sony!

I'm not going to swear he's totally innocent of everything ever. But every case actually brought against him was absolutely bullshit and anyone who can claim this met any standard of liability or guilt after looking at the evidence is actually retarded.
 
I live about five blocks from a middle school. Some of the boys walk by my house.

What kind of legwork do I need to do to get sleepovers with some of the boys?

Do I offer them candy, ask them to do casual yardwork, offer tutoring, invite them in for lemonade?

Maybe provide a really good video game setup? For the more mature boys, show them a little porn, see what they're into? Tell them that their desires are normal?

Should I ask them how they feel about their parents, like do their parents really understand them? How would their parents feel if they knew that their son was cranking it to porn?

How would their parents feel if they confessed that their son was gay or trans? That doesn't sound like unconditional love to me.

What I offer is unconditional.

All I know is that I am super desperate to have a middle school boy in my bed.

Please let me know how I can arrange this.

I have an estate an hour outside LA.

Send face and body pix and I will get back to you.
 
What kind of legwork do I need to do to get sleepovers with some of the boys?

Be one of the richest, most famous entertainers in history with an advanced case of Peter Pan Syndrome and terminal naïveté, and you won’t have to lift a finger. Money-grubbing “parents” will fling their boys at you with relish, and with instructions not to come home until they’ve seen you with your shirt off. They’ll do all the legwork to prep their offspring to be whatever you wish your own childhood self could’ve been.

Unlike you, of course, what those “parents” are offering is not unconditional. You’re too disturbed to pick up on that though, and you’re so rich and famous that you don’t have to listen to any negative nancies.

Of course, being a deeply-disturbed manchild is not itself illegal, so as long as you don’t do any of the things these “parents” are hoping you do to their pubescent sons, you shouldn’t go to prison. But you’re still in for a world of hurt and sadness. So are those boys, actually. You have rather more in common with them than even you thought, as it turns out.
 
This just sounds like a run-of-the-mill #MeToo situation. Disgusting that this kind of shit has been normalized by this point.
It's not run-of-the-mill. Evan Chandler did and said some really fucked up things.
April 1993 Evan Chandler begins to brag to his patient, actress Carrie Fischer, about his families connection to Jackson. Fischer confirmed that Evan had spoken to her about it, and that at the time Evan didn’t see the sleeping in the same room together as an issue. He told her that his “son was very good looking” with a smile she found “grotesque” in a father, at what she believed he was suggesting Jackson was after in Jordan.
It's not much of a leap to say Evan Chandler would've been happy if Michael Jackson actually molested his son. Words cannot express how truly repulsive that man was.

Imagine you're a parent who found out someone committed the most heinous crime against your child. You probably want to beat the shit out of that person. You absolutely want that person locked up away from your kid and any other kids they could harm. Evan Chandler went to Michael and demanded money. He then filed the first of two civil suits more than a decade before any criminal proceedings. I know I sound like a broken record, but that's the one piece of evidence that shuts people up. They will do Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to dismiss everything else.
 
A few posts about "the Jews" wanting to destroy Michael Jackson for certain lines in one of this songs, but he was an inspiration to many Black people around the world and a positive one. His songs and interviews were about self-respect, caring for each other, being better. What did we get after Michael Jackson? The rise of gangsta rap, criminal glorification (the non-smooth type of criminal), etcetera.

I've similarly wondered about the fall of Bill Cosby as he was again a very beloved and successful Black man who was very vocal about Black youth and their state in the USA, speaking out against media influence on them, etc.
 
A few posts about "the Jews" wanting to destroy Michael Jackson for certain lines in one of this songs, but he was an inspiration to many Black people around the world and a positive one. His songs and interviews were about self-respect, caring for each other, being better. What did we get after Michael Jackson? The rise of gangsta rap, criminal glorification (the non-smooth type of criminal), etcetera.

I've similarly wondered about the fall of Bill Cosby as he was again a very beloved and successful Black man who was very vocal about Black youth and their state in the USA, speaking out against media influence on them, etc.
Not to derail the thread but I don't think it's a coincidence that all of the accusations to MJ came about after he refused to sell the Beatles catalog to Sony.

Similarly it wasn't until Bill Cosby was looking into buying NBC that the world needed to know about his qualude use in the 70's. Like MJ, Bill is guilty by default, nobody has looked into the specifics of all of the women who accused him. For example on of them is "Bill looked at me leeringly in an airport as I passed him" turns out the day of Bill was scheduled to be somewhere on the otherside of the country, nowhere near that airport. But that doesn't matter. The man with the most succesful, positive, impactful black image has to be a rapist.

We will just ignore the 13-15 year old known groupies sleeping with David Bowie, the rolling stones ect..
 
A few posts about "the Jews" wanting to destroy Michael Jackson for certain lines in one of this songs, but he was an inspiration to many Black people around the world and a positive one.
It wasn't "THE JEWS!" However, it definitely was some very specific people who HAPPENED to be JEWS in Sony who had a very lucrative opportunity, the very cui bono for which the phrase was invented, who HAPPENED to really want that Beatles catalog, and incidentally HAPPENED to get it at fire-sale prices when MJ needed his legal fees.

Some people profited a lot from MJ getting his life wrecked. Coincidence? Oh, yeah, sure.
We will just ignore the 13-15 year old known groupies sleeping with David Bowie, the rolling stones ect..
It shouldn't have happened, he should have been arrested for that, but how many of those (other than Lori Mattix) have actually complained about it? It's not the kind of shit that should ever have been allowed, but if groupies literally threw themselves at rock stars, got laid, boasted about it, and didn't view themselves as victims decades later, who cares?

This kind of shit is obviously not okay, but there are degrees of culpability.
 
There are many artists whose content you can have sentimental value with, but acknowledge the artist is a disgusting freak.
Exactly. This is why I compared him to Roman Polanski. Polanski's Macbeth is amazing, Ren and Stimpy is hilarious, The Marriage of Figaro is fucking awesome. Freakish schizo sex pervs are overrepresented in the music business.
I can empathize with the kneejerk reaction to stubbornly defend him, but remember why they say "never meet your idols" - the Michael Jackson who made everything better when you came home from school or stayed up late to see him on TV is not the same man you'd have seen if you were a friend who followed him on tour and lived on the bus. I know it feels really bad to have your best imaginary friend be exposed as just another male dirtbag, but his voice on those records can still be there for you, just like, as a thing on its own, not also being literally him talking to you.
A few posts about "the Jews" wanting to destroy Michael Jackson for certain lines in one of this songs, but he was an inspiration to many Black people around the world and a positive one. His songs and interviews were about self-respect, caring for each other, being better. What did we get after Michael Jackson? The rise of gangsta rap, criminal glorification (the non-smooth type of criminal), etcetera.

I've similarly wondered about the fall of Bill Cosby as he was again a very beloved and successful Black man who was very vocal about Black youth and their state in the USA, speaking out against media influence on them, etc.
Black guys taking advantage of a community starving for male role models and healthy family life are just the race-grift version of rapist male feminists. It's not complicated. Just as predators seek out jobs in the clergy, foster system, and primary schools, predators [who] can fill a niche for a marginalized community will take advantage of that so that their good works appear to outweigh their bad deeds if they ever get caught.

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Who cares if he was a weirdo? the guys in the documentary are liars, their testimony has actual contractions all over it.
There seems to be some upspoken rule that the allegations must be brought up any time MJ is mentioned in a video or article. Even videos about the supposed "lost Michael Jackson song" mention it. Even articles about his kids mention it. MJ may be dead, but his kids are very much alive. Even the children of real pedophiles don't deserve to have their parents' actions follow them. For the children of an innocent man who never hurt children to have this follow them long after their father's death is abhorrent.
 
There seems to be some upspoken rule that the allegations must be brought up any time MJ is mentioned in a video or article. Even videos about the supposed "lost Michael Jackson song" mention it. Even articles about his kids mention it. MJ may be dead, but his kids are very much alive. Even the children of real pedophiles don't deserve to have their parents' actions follow them. For the children of an innocent man who never hurt children to have this follow them long after their father's death is abhorrent.
You have any evidence that the kids are his?
 
It isn't really. The OJ case is a case where an incompetent prosecution, a screwed up case, a star witness committing perjury, and an incompetent medical expert (Vanatter), a celebrity-addled judge (Ito), and a dream team of monster lawyers managed to barely get off a guy who was clearly guilty.
Quoth Vincent Bugliosi from a speech of his I attended the same year OJ was acquitted on the performance of the LA DA's office on that one?


"Would've been hilarious, had two people not died."
 
MJ may be dead, but his kids are very much alive. For the children of an innocent man who never hurt children to have this follow them long after their father's death is abhorrent.
I didn't know he had three kids; I thought it was just Prince Michael and Blanket/Bigi (who is ALSO named Prince Michael. How very George Foreman of you, MJ!)

It still floors me that the child dangled over a balcony in a "Hey, come take a look at my new son!" stunt is now old enough to legally drink.
 
lmfao acting like there aren't free copies available. Fuck these kike media companies, their "own nothing" business model, and copyright law
Wait a sec goy, are you saying you DON'T shell out your hard earned shekels to "own" the ability to watch an online documentary that can easily be pulled at any moment?
 
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