William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

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The alternative is that the wronged party gets shafted for a huge amount of money for either defending themselves against something illegitimate or pursuing damages from someone who wronged them. "ok looks like you weren't a naughty boy, you win, enjoy five or six figures of debt for daring to defend yourself".

Realistically the ONLY damages Billy Mitchell incurred were his legal fees. Jobst's lies about him didn't cost him anything. A fair judgement would've been for Jobst to pay Billy's legal fees and be forced to issue a retraction of his lie, without any other punitive judgement being awarded. In addition to being fair, it would also disincentivize people like Billy from suing over petty bullshit like this, because he wouldn't actually gain anything from it.
I agree that attorney's fees should be awarded to the defendant if he wins, but there is not a fundamental equality between plaintiffs and defendants. Even your own argument that people should be disincentivized from suing people should give you reason to agree with me, there's no more reasonable deterrent than making it impossible for lawsuits to be profitable unless the claim is very large.
 
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Billy Mitchell winning a lawsuit like this after making AL kill himself only sets the precedent to other people like him that they can indirectly kill people and get away with it.
Stop making Billy Mitchell sound cooler than he is. He's a litigious scumbag that plays old arcade games, not someone who can telepathically mindrape youtubers into killing themselves. Apollo killed himself because he was chronically ill and fucked in the head, not because Billy Mitchell used the power of his American flag suit to jump into Apollo's body and forced him to blow his head off.
 
JOBST HAS TO PAY 243,349.47 USD TO BILLY FOR DEFAMATION
Can't lie, both parties involved are faggots so I can't really say either outcome was preferable.
I mean outside of these lawsuits what does Billy even do? From what I can tell he mostly just stays under his rock considering I literally do not hear about him outside of these lawsuits.
Karl is Australian.

Need I say more? On second thought, Billy deserves this. Hail the King of Kong!
 
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Remember that newswoman who went "This kid should go out and touch grass" in UK national news about a 12 year old who achieved something nobody in the world had at the time, which is beat the kill screen at tetris?

That's how retarded you sound right now.
The kid should get out and touch fucking grass. Otherwise he'll end up like fucking DSP pining over getting 4th place at some shitty street fighter game that no one cares about. Or worse yet, getting into his 40s, getting married, having a kid and buying a house only to lose it all in a lawsuit against another faggot who got the super high score in Donkey Kong (a game that no one cares about) 45 years ago.

You're literally advocating for zoomers to become professional Fortnite players and livestreamers instead of pursuing knowledge and more worldly ambitions.

Kids should be getting their asses off of shit epic retro 8 bit games and Fortnite and doing something else with their lives.

And whatever, I respect that kid for beating the kill screen in Tetris. That is kind of cool. But it becomes a problem when people make it their entire identity like speedrunners do.

Was Goldeneye 64 a good game? Yeah sure. Should anyone be playing it for 200 hours a week trying to get a 1% faster run? No. They should be touching grass.
 
Holy shit, Jobst went to Apollo's brother and was given evidence that he was wrong, he never publicly retracted it or apologized. He just quietly edited it out to pretend it didn't happen. The more I read of this document, the worse he looks.

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I wonder what his basis for saying all of that in the first place was. Rumors on some random speedrunning discord?
 
He stated it as a fact while continuing his friendship with the people who were listed in his suicide.

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Let's look at this direct quote from Apollo's suicide note. "Thank you to DarkViper and EZScape for giving me the final push that I needed." Now, if Karl really cared about Apollos so much, why would he be friends with both of these people still?
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Okay so Apollo didn't mention it in his note and he didn't pay but I mean come on. Being some kid posting about vidya and suddenly being dragged by the ear out into legal proceedings takes a toll. The judge basically decreeing that Apollo wasn't affected by this at all is the real wild conspiracy theory. Especially with how unstable the antiJobst camp agrees he was.



He stated it as a fact while continuing his friendship with the people who were listed in his suicide.

Let's look at this direct quote from Apollo's suicide note. "Thank you to DarkViper and EZScape for giving me the final push that I needed." Now, if Karl really cared about Apollos so much, why would he be friends with both of these people still?

He probably would claim Apollo was mentally unwell and didn't treat them fairly.

I agree is kind of weird that Jobst made it seem like this centered around the cheating, assuming he wasn't tricked somehow. And this raises questions about him.

But the former fans and cocreators who are turning against him en masse now and are claiming to have known all along are ones to talk having not lifted a finger to do proper due diligence in a case they've been following for so long. Don't forget, this is the 'antiscam' community we're talking about here. The guys who are supposed to be the experts at sniffing out this stuff. And one of their own supposedly pulled the wool over their eyes for years? Over something that could have been cleared up with a few google searches no less. THIS should be the real story.
 
these comments are gonna be a treasure trove of hindsight going forward
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Billy used emulators. We all know this. Nobody who's not a schizo considers that "cheating"
It is against Twin Galaxy's rules to use emulators, and Billy consistently led people to believe he was playing on the real arcade board when analysis proved he was using MAME for at least one of his late records (not the ones from the 80s, which are presumably legit).

If you think the no emulator rule is dumb, that's your prerogative, but the rule is there and Mitchell knew it. Pre-Jace TG was corrupt as fuck. They covered for Billy and Todd Rogers for decades.

Again though, that's not what the instant case was about. I actually think, on balance, Billy deserved to win against Jobst here. Jobst took his hate boner too far.
 
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"Welp, bad news, fellas, buckle down and hold your loved ones since it's about to get real. It seems Billy Mitchell has won his court case against Karl Jobst in the Australian Court of Queensland, and let me tell you, this decision is a stinker. It stinks more than dookie deposited by a dingo. It smells worse than a tedious tinkle from a Tasmanian Devil. It’s like a powdered-wig judge just walked to the bench, took his pants down, and mooned an entire jury. Looks like Karl is going to have to take part-time shifts at the massage parlor with his Asian wife after this case. Karl love you legends long time, I guess.

Anyway, that’s all from me. See ya."
 
This is the same country that ruled in favour of a brick-faced ugly slant-eyed troon rapist and ordered someone to pay $480k over his feelings (Elliot William Fong) and loose association with the site in the form of hosting something (or whatever, irrelevant).
All I am hearing is that I should really just file frivolous lawsuits in Australia. They basically see an American filing bullshit and just give them money.
 
It is against Twin Galaxy's rules to use emulators, and Billy consistently led people to believe he was playing on the real arcade board when analysis proved he was using MAME for at least one of his late records (not the ones from the 80s, which are presumably legit).

If you think the no emulator rule is dumb, that's your prerogative, but the rule is there and Mitchell knew it. Pre-Jace TG was corrupt as fuck. They covered for Billy and Todd Rogers for decades.
They did cover for him for decades and that definitely calls his older records into question. They're highly suspect especially when in a handful of circumstances the only evidence that he achieved those records was a guy from TG who witnessed it and that's it.

There's a thing about people who cheat, man. If they were caught doing it later, they were definitely doing it before. People are creatures of habit and they will continue their shitty little cycle until they die.
 
I wonder what his basis for saying all of that in the first place was. Rumors on some random speedrunning discord?
For the same reason so many people believe it, it's a fairly reasonable assumption before you really look into it, Youtuber loses litigious court case and then commits suicide. It's not hard to make assumptions and connect the dots even if it turns out they weren't actually there, but Karl is someone who probably read the actual suicide note so it is dubious. He probably just didn't think it was a big deal to claim it, based on the damage it caused Billy it honestly wasn't, but it was still untrue. He's lack of any remorse, his related Billy content and lack of a proper apology once corrected convinced the judge that that made the claims with malice for Billy in his mind, rather than it just being a careless and incorrect thing to say.
 
All these defamation lawsuits even from 1st world countries made me realize how really lucky Americans are with how their defamation laws are deeply rooted in free speech protections. Mitchell would have had a really hard time if Jobst was American. So if you're some public figure who criticizes people a lot, it is within your interest to actually move to the US.
 
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