What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

How come animals and us with our coccyx bone, have vestigial bones and organs? Why didn't evolution wipe them out when they weren't needed?
Because evolution works on a "Good enough" basis. Food and air down the same tube? The fact it's so easy for us to choke and die is stupid, if you really think about it.
Male ducks like to rape female ducks but they have a corkscrew penis but the inside of a female duck is a maze. It's good enough to pass on some genes.
Female kiwi birds lay eggs that pretty much re-arrange their insides, but enough of them manage to lay an egg and then die over never getting to lay an egg, Good enough! Genes are passed on,

Life is just weird, man.
 
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Since it looks like TPTB really don't want people knowing or even thinking too much about history (looking directly at the Smithsonian as I type this) so I would offer up this theory-
Dinosaurs.
They lived at the same time as humans.
They used to be called dragons.
Dragons were intelligent.
Folklore and legends from many cultures attest to this.
Did humans genocide dragons/dinosaurs? Why?

Bonus half-formed gibberish about the American southwest-
Are there people living deep underground? A different race kept secret?
The Aztecs sometimes referred to themselves as "people of the sun" and made sacrifices to the sun god.
The Hopi believed there were "ant people" living underground. Are they still there? If not where did they go?
 
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Actually the asshole is the first thing to form on humans. I'm not sure if it counts.
I was reacting more to the multifunction portal scheme: cloaca=multi egress :: mouth=multi-ingress
 
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Bonus half-formed gibberish about the American southwest-
Are there people living deep underground? A different race kept secret?
I don't know about currently, but there were - I'm certain of this - at one point two groups of people living in that region. One of which was either an almost-full-time inhabitant of the caves (or were at least in place there) before the arrival of the second group. I do not think the cave inhabitants are the same people as the cannibals.

Things we know for certain:
  • The Hopi and the Navajo are genetically very close
  • The Dene people and the Diné people both speak Athapaskan-language-family-languages despite the former being in Canada and the latter being in the Southwest
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  • The Ute, by the way, speak a language that's in the same family as the Aztec
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  • If we overlay the language maps and add in the Colorado River (from the Hopi origin legend) you can see there's overlap in the modern Four Corners area
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  • Some dates:
    • Tenochtitlan was founded in 1325AD by the Mexica, who speak Nahuatl.
    • Mesa Verde was abandoned around 1300AD
    • The Navajo began living in the Four Corners area around 1300AD (seeing a pattern?). The Utes settled in the same area also around 1300AD. You can learn more about this by looking up the "Post Pueblo Period".
    • On the other side of the planet, 1315-1317 was the "Great Famine". It was caused by a period of exceptionally cold and wet weather. The cause of the weather is still unknown but one possible explanation is the explosion of Mount Tarawera down in New Zealand in 1314 (assuming the date is correct).
If I had to make an uneducated guess. I'd say:
  1. Cave people = Ant People
  2. The ancestors of the Hopi arrived after the Ant People were already living in what is now the American Southwest following some event/cataclysm/disaster that caused the Hopi to leave wherever they were living previously. The cave-people were bros to the proto-Hopi.
  3. The Hopi and the Navajo likely arrived in the southwest around the same time.
  4. The Mexica probably passed through the same area.
Things I'm not sure of:
  • What language did the Ant People speak?
  • Are the Anasazi ("Ancient Enemy") the people who were living there before the others showed up?
  • Are the Aztecs the cannibals? ARE THE NAVAJO? ...The Ute? It would explain why no one wants us talking about it.
  • What language did the Anasazi ("Ancestral Puebloans") speak?
  • Why did the Ute and Navajo retain their independent languages despite arriving in the same area at roughly the same time?
  • Where the fuck did the Mexica come from?
 
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Mongolia?
I have no idea, but every time I look at that culture for whatever reason, it seems awfully familiar.
Ok, hear me out:
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The most prevalent maternal haplogroups in Mexico are A, B, C, and D.
The arrows are how they think things happened, by the way. I personally think the line for B should go directly across the Pacific because I think the people made it across long before the "official" first contact dates after 1000AD.
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It's possible to get across the Pacific on boats, especially if you're a member of a civilization that is exceptionally good at going from island to island to survive. The Polynesians very very likely made a couple trips around 1100AD and brought back potatoes. They even use the same word for them.
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Similarly, it's rather easy to get from areas of East Asia to the Pacific Northwest, so if they made it across (as some claim happened during the Ming Dynasty in the 1400s), then it could have happened sooner as well, and might even explain some of the stories you hear in North America from tribes talking about weirdos showing up one day to demand tribute for some king no one had ever heard of before.

I'm less familiar with the Atlantic side of things, but that one has some weird stuff as well, like an island off Spain that's easier to get to from North America than it is to reach from Europe
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FURTHERMORE, going back to our timeline above, there was a period of time where the Mongol empire controlled territory that would have had plenty of access to ports that would have allowed them to cross over.
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We also know they were indeed attempting sea invasions around this time period due to recorded history of the "kamikaze" incidents of 1274 and 1281 when they attempted (and failed) to invade Japan. The first attempt involved between 500 and 900 ships, and the second had a combined force of 4,400 ships.

That much naval force, and I'm to believe none of it was spent on scouting expeditions?

That being said, Middle Mongolian is pretty hard to pin down, but it would have sounded a bit like this:
Whereas Navajo sounds like this:
And Ute sounds like this:

And the language families are totally different, so if they did make it over during the heights of their empire, they didn't seem to leave a huge linguistic influence behind.

I found this while looking up those speaking clips:
To explain: This person is claiming that the grasshopper depicted on the hill isn't a grasshopper, it's one of the Grasshopper-people (similar to how butterflies in Aztec culture were human sacrifices). Which is an interesting proposition, but I'm not sure if the part of the assertion (that this means the "real" Chapultepec was in modern-day-Colorado) is very convincing seeing as the hill in question in Mexico City looked like the drawings:
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And it's not weird to have multiple things with the same name:
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These are both "Ute Mountain".
 
I was reacting more to the multifunction portal scheme: cloaca=multi egress :: mouth=multi-ingress
more a cloaca is probably worse as it's an in and an out. At least with the mouth/lungs and food and chocking, it's all supposed to just go in.

Either way wtf Evolution? Seriously.
 
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Dinosaurs.
They lived at the same time as humans.
They used to be called dragons.
Dragons were intelligent.
Folklore and legends from many cultures attest to this.
I've learned over the years to trust my intuition over conventional science or "fact," so I'm open to this to some extent it feels intuitively true to me. I understand many, most, fossils of dinosaurs are reconstructions, but that's the extent of my knowledge here. Firepill me on dinosaurs as dragons - how do we explain the 50+ million year gap between the fossil record and known human existence? Genuinely curious to know more
 
Firepill me on dinosaurs as dragons - how do we explain the 50+ million year gap between the fossil record and known human existence? Genuinely curious to know more
I wish I had more than just the crackpot theory of someone who sometimes posts when day drinking and taking sinus medicine (it me. I'm the problem) because it's interesting af to think of how prevalent dragons are in stories but there are no evidence of them?
Sure the argument can be made that they're just a symbol but if so then why are they similar in description in so many different places? Did no brave warrior slay a dragon and keep a trophy? Big lizard looking things would look cool in a display case, right?
What does the word "dinosaur" even mean again?
Oh right.
But we have bones from those things, but not dragons.
Add on how much lying goes on between science and politics and schools and it's properly depressing to try to understand the world.

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Since it looks like TPTB really don't want people knowing or even thinking too much about history (looking directly at the Smithsonian as I type this) so I would offer up this theory-
Dinosaurs.
They lived at the same time as humans.
They used to be called dragons.
Dragons were intelligent.
Folklore and legends from many cultures attest to this.
Did humans genocide dragons/dinosaurs? Why?

Bonus half-formed gibberish about the American southwest-
Are there people living deep underground? A different race kept secret?
The Aztecs sometimes referred to themselves as "people of the sun" and made sacrifices to the sun god.
The Hopi believed there were "ant people" living underground. Are they still there? If not where did they go?
I've learned over the years to trust my intuition over conventional science or "fact," so I'm open to this to some extent it feels intuitively true to me. I understand many, most, fossils of dinosaurs are reconstructions, but that's the extent of my knowledge here. Firepill me on dinosaurs as dragons - how do we explain the 50+ million year gap between the fossil record and known human existence? Genuinely curious to know more
The most common explanation you'll get, especially as a child, is that people were digging up bones from extinct animals and saying "Oh this was a dragon" but that doesn't fully explain "contemporary" stories of dragons. That said, when I listen to the latter, sometimes it does sound like they're describing snakes.
Dragons appear at 12:58, where they're described as being large enough to encircle an elephant, but small enough that an elephant can crush them with its body.
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They appear again at 14:28 and it's said the dragons in Ethiopia have crests
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There's also a similar creature that can paralyze people "at a glance" and has a white spot on its head like a crown:
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No crown, but the Monocled Cobra (India and SEA) has one:
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It's possible that for a long period of time "snake" was this thing:
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And "dragon" was "scary snake":
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Which would also line up with the stories that talk about dragons being born from snakes.

Kind of like how we have the division between dogs and wolves despite them both being canines.
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My feed is FLOODED with posts about the structures under the pyramids. Not just articles about it, you’ve got fringe pages posting AI images of what is under them followed by 2 ads and then a post discussing the AI images in a “is this AI” type group.

It’s astroturfed as fuck.
Pretty much all of the random Facebook posts you see are AI generated by Indians for money, every once in a while you can see it fuck up numbers and accidently translate 1 million to 1 lakh. They are just engagement driving and if I had to guess, it's Facebook itself doing it and not outside places.
The most common explanation you'll get, especially as a child, is that people were digging up bones from extinct animals and saying "Oh this was a dragon" but that doesn't fully explain "contemporary" stories of dragons. That said, when I listen to the latter, sometimes it does sound like they're describing snakes.
History is entirely made up of idiots playing telephone. Just look at the mideval depictions of African and Asian animals, a vague resemblance to reality but no where close to the real thing. Same for the pictures of the cold immune tribes men, chances are they were just regular people with a fantastic story invented for prestige.

Also evolution isn't real because they haven't spontaneously generated new DNA in bacteria despite running hundreds of thousands of generations.
 
Same for the pictures of the cold immune tribes men, chances are they were just regular people with a fantastic story invented for prestige.
I believe it, actually. I think it was exaggerated, sure, but think of people like the Bajau (enlarged spleens), Sherpa (various altitude adaptations), and Inuit (hotter blood to extremities and more efficient omega-3 usage). There's no reason not to think the Selk'nam could have been adapted to the cold. Enough time down there and anyone who couldn't do it would have been removed from the breeding population.
If we look at photos, we can see them wearing skins, not running around naked. So yes, it's far less than other people would be wearing in that weather, but I also agree with you that it's not like they were going around in loincloths.
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Fun to see the NY Times prefers its own conspiracy theories.

April 1, 2025

The NYT Prefers its Own Conspiracy Theories​

By Jack Cashill

Here’s what to know,” insisted the New York Times Adam Nagourney in a lead editorial the day the JFK files dropped. “Oswald still did it.” If there was such a thing as a Confirmation Bias Olympics, Nagourney would have earned the right to represent the U.S. Reviewing and dismissing 64,000 pages of National Archives material in fewer than 24 hours is no small accomplishment even by the standards of the New York Times.

As opinion writer David Wallace-Wells reminded his readers a week later, the Times decides what is a valid conspiracy theory and what is not. Apparently, JFK theories are not. Wrote the supercilious Wallace-Wells, the JFK files “turned out to be, by the standards of conspiracy hype, a total dud.”
Although Wikipedia describes me as “an American author, blogger and conspiracy theorist,” I remain agnostic on the JFK assassination. If the files turn out to be a “total dud,” so be it. Similarly, if they indict LBJ and a rogue crew of CIA contractors, I would not be surprised.

In either case, what is eerily true is that Wallace-Wells used the same Alinskyite strategy to ridicule conservative investigators that the Times used nearly 30 years ago to defame JFK’s legendary press secretary Pierre Salinger. Salinger’s sin was to reveal the truth behind the 1996 shootdown of TWA Flight 800, a genuine conspiracy in which the Times played a critical role.
According to Wallace-Wells, “we are living in a golden age for conspiracy theory.” In the way of example, for instance, he wrote, “It is now perfectly reasonable, for instance, to believe that a novel virus that killed more than 20 million people worldwide and upended for years the daily life of billions was engineered by scientists and then released by accident, with a global cover-up improvised in the months that followed.”
 
They just put something on the maps where they thought it should be
Maybe, but the actual coastline topology maps almost exactly to what’s really there under the ice . So either an incredible fluke (highly unlikely) or a very odd thing that no one really has an explanation for. The map is one of those things nobody has any decent explanation for because all possible explanations are crazy.
as for Solon, I can well believe that humanity has hit the bronze age level of society multiple times and been knocked back. It wouldn’t surprise me at all

I think the most logical explanation for the Piri Reis map is that it was a copy of an earlier map from antiquity. And in antiquity there may have been maps still surviving from even earlier times that were copied. Copies, of copies, of copies, pretty much. It's possible that in some long-forgotten era (before last Ice Age at least) there were people who sailed to a warmer Antarctica and mapped it.




I'm going to sperg for a second about a tangentially related topic. It's been briefly touched on in this thread before, but the conventional assumption of New World history is that there was nothing but stone-age Natives living in isolation prior to 1492, and anything outside that assumption is pretty much dismissed as a fluke. But there are scraps and traces of evidence that the Americas were known about, and traveled to, in antiquity.

For example, they have found ancient copper objects in Greece and the Middle East, made of a type of copper that only comes from a certain area in Michigan. Also there is an object called the "Alabama Stone" that was discovered in Alabama in the early 1800s that bears Latin writing. And, there is the story of a Welshman named Madoc Owain Gwynedd (officially considered a fairlytale) who is said to have sailed across the ocean and found a new land. In Alabama the local Cherokee Indians told stories of a "people called Welsh" who "came across the great water". According to the Cherokee, (specifically a chief called Oconostota) the Welsh came into conflict with the Natives, and built a group of fortifications whose ruins were discovered by much later white settlers.

These are only a few examples off the top of my head, but the Piri Reis map discussion brought it to the forefront because there are so many little examples and traces of pre-Colombian travels across the Atlantic, that it makes the existence of a map with Antarctica on it a little more believable.
 
Henry of Orkney (?) is supposed to have got to the new world. I think people accept the Vikings did too
When you look at how incredible a bunch of sailors the polynesians were, with minimal tech and resources, it’s hard to say that humans never made deliberate long journies so early. I am fairly sure we did.
The piri reis though, a copy of a copy yes I am sure it was, but the last time the coastline was ice free was very very long ago wasn’t it? Like 40kya or something?
 
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Since it looks like TPTB really don't want people knowing or even thinking too much about history (looking directly at the Smithsonian as I type this) so I would offer up this theory-
Dinosaurs.
They lived at the same time as humans.
They used to be called dragons.
Dragons were intelligent.
Folklore and legends from many cultures attest to this.
Did humans genocide dragons/dinosaurs? Why?

Bonus half-formed gibberish about the American southwest-
Are there people living deep underground? A different race kept secret?
The Aztecs sometimes referred to themselves as "people of the sun" and made sacrifices to the sun god.
The Hopi believed there were "ant people" living underground. Are they still there? If not where did they go?
I believe dinosaurs existed in isolation till the second generation of mammals came around. A bit similar to how cave lions and mammoths survived till the times of Egyptian civilization. I don't quite believe dragons existed since the European model of a dragon is very different to the asian model, one is a winged dinosaur like thing while the other is serpentine. China and Japan in fact use snake and dragon interchangeably since both are supposed to be spiritually the same in most cases. I am very interested in cryptozoology though and I'm pretty sure either the mokele mbembe is a thing or nessie is a thing and there is at least one variant of existent apeman be it bigfoot or the yeti (less likely) or the orang pandek.
 
mokele mbembe is a thing
Interesting timing:
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or nessie
Less likely, but only due to the size of Loch Ness. It would need more food.

there is at least one variant of existent apeman
I'm think so, too.

be it bigfoot or the yeti (less likely) or the orang pandek.
Orang Pandek seems most likely. Hell, they could even just be normal homo sapiens with genetic mutations that went off to live in the woods.
 
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