William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

[Seedling]

"SAAR, HIS HEART WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE WHEN HE LIED ABOUT WHY APOLLO KILLED HIMSELF TO PROTECT DARKVIPER"

Whats amazing is how his bid to pin the suicide on Billy ended up backfiring completely with now everyone finding out what actually happened to Apollo and seeing the culprit was Karl's friend all along

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

one of the funniest threads on 4chan rn

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

I'm saying he should've stayed in his lane, remembered his place in the world (a meaningless youtube jester who got lucky), and continued making slop until it stopped being financially viable. If he'd shut up, known his place, and put the speedrunning videos in the bag like a good e-wagie, he'd be sitting on a pile of money instead of looking up painless suicide methods on google.

Once again the wisdom of The Rock shines through

 

[neger psykolog]

Billy stumbled onto an incredible scam 40 years ago and it's only meaningful source of income, so he's not going to let the fact that people suddenly started to care about high scores and stop him from making money. Karl really didn't stand a chance.

What scam?
Sure he faked a few high scores of whatever but AFAIK in the early days the video game companies loved kids like Billy and the rest of the faggots from Twin Galaxies and not only used them as marketing props but paid them handsomely to do so. Billy probably got paid for marketing and appearances and bullshit like that and probably got his dick wet from being a celebrity.

They would've paid for his flights and hotel stays and thrown money at him for doing shit back in the day. You know when you see a faggot lifeless speed running live streamer like Karl Jobst and think "holy shit that's miserable" that wasn't the case when Billy first started.

I'm pretty sure he didn't cheat until way after that point.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Pootahar posted a video:

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I like how he opens his video by making it sound like the lawsuit was about video games and cheating instead of Karl claiming Billy killed someone.

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

I'm pretty sure he didn't cheat until way after that point.

He still claims to have been awarded the title "video game player of the century" by Nintendo, when the supposed plaque does not say that.
He made an entire movie about beating a high-score, King of Kong, one high-score which is now in question. [EDIT] I have been corrected, he did not make the movie, he only played a part.

I'd say the high-scores are at the heart of Billy Mitchell's financial success and personality, which is why he is defending himself so vehemently against all criticism.
Even if the MAME proof is pretty good, he always manages to muddy the waters enough that people prefer to settle instead of rolling the dice.

I think if reviewed by a jury that understands the technical explanation the MAME proof is pretty solid, but nobody has been steadfast enough to take it all the way though an expensive court case and a trial. Twin Galaxies not doing that to settle it once and for all has been a massive disservice to the community. (That they settled in a way that explicitly does not call out Billy for cheating, but also not reinstating him fully, is such a cheap cop out is hurts)

They should have folded right away if they were never interested in actually proving the cheating in court. Did Billy cheat multiple times in collaboration with at least one other proven cheat? I believe the MAME proof can be interpreted that way, but since no jury has ever found such, it is still up for debate and will likely remain so forever.

[EDIT] For those not in the loop, the "MAME proof" shows how different emulation software and the original arcade hardware load the levels and point out that in videos of Billy's highscores the level loading does not look like the original hardware loading, but displays distinct patterns that supposedly only happen in MAME emulation, thereby proving Billy did not achieve those highscores on original hardware. Using emulation software you can, in theory, load gamestates and pretty much create save-files from which you can resume play if you make a mistake.

 

[LetThemSneed]

Removing the trannys, the autists, and the ego-driven weirdos from the equation, the subject matter itself genuinely makes me nauseous. Sitting down for hours, playing the same game (or worse, the same level of a game) to see who can beat it the fastest, then competing against all the other losers is perhaps the most isolating thing I can think of. There are hundreds of great games, but this freak preens about beating a level of Goldeneye faster than anyone else. And it only took him tens of thousands of tries. Time that could have been spent improving himself or making more money for his family. The definition of wasting your life.

Remove the autism for an autistic hobby, and all you will be left with is a meaningless hobby. I think that fact is sort of implicit.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

What scam?
Sure he faked a few high scores of whatever but AFAIK in the early days the video game companies loved kids like Billy and the rest of the faggots from Twin Galaxies and not only used them as marketing props but paid them handsomely to do so. Billy probably got paid for marketing and appearances and bullshit like that and probably got his dick wet from being a celebrity.

They would've paid for his flights and hotel stays and thrown money at him for doing shit back in the day. You know when you see a faggot lifeless speed running live streamer like Karl Jobst and think "holy shit that's miserable" that wasn't the case when Billy first started.

I'm pretty sure he didn't cheat until way after that point.

The scam was bringing all of the early Twin Galaxy hanger-ons on board with him, Todd Rogers, Walter Day, etc. They were a bunch of Iowa hicks with no educations who realized they had a stranglehold on "high scores" just as video games began to boom and have wrung every penny out of that fact by vouching for each other as necessary. It only became an issue once the speedrunning community started it taking itself seriously enough to demand "facts" and "evidence."

 

[neger psykolog]

He made an entire movie about beating a high-score, King of Kong, one high-score which is now in question

He didn't make the movie himself.

I'd say the high-scores are at the heart of Billy Mitchell's financial success and personality, which is why he is defending himself so vehemently against all criticism.
Even if the MAME proof is pretty good, he always manages to muddy the waters enough that people prefer to settle instead of rolling the dice

In the 80s Billy probably made a pretty penny from video game fame but I doubt he makes much nowadays. His YouTube channel doesn't even have 3k subs. It's pretty clear he gets his money from his/his parents restaurant business.
But yeah in terms of personality and being successful and ego the video game scores definitely matter.

They should have folded right away if they were never interested in actually proving the cheating in court. Did Billy cheat multiple times in collaboration with at least one other proven cheat? I believe the MAME proof can be interpreted that way, but since no jury has ever found such, it is still up for debate and will likely remain so forever.

Yeah I have no idea what the point of the court case was once it went beyond cheating but then again Jobst took it further by accusing Billy of causing someone to kill themselves.


In general I agree with you, but there's not really any financial value in having these scores. The drama channels like Jobst get all the views and sponsorships. Nintendo and whatever companies actively don't give a shit. Twin Galaxies was always a haphazard organization that tried to combine rules and order into an autistic passion: video games.

 

[Crispy Jakes]

one of the funniest threads on 4chan rn

I'm guessing you didn't intend to highlight that particular post but I've seen retards get tied up on the judge calling video views "downloads" several times now.
It's a distinction without a difference and an incredibly autistic cope to suggest the Judge didn't know any fundamentals of the case because of it.

 

[neger psykolog]

The scam was bringing all of the early Twin Galaxy hanger-ons on board with him, Todd Rogers, Walter Day, etc. They were a bunch of Iowa hicks with no educations who realized they had a stranglehold on "high scores" just as video games began to boom and have wrung every penny out of that fact by vouching for each other as necessary. It only became an issue once the speedrunning community started it taking itself seriously enough to demand "facts" and "evidence."

Sure it's possible they did it with financial motivations but I'm pretty sure twin galaxies made next to no money.

Any time you put a bunch of autistic people in a room together with games you either end up with something brilliant like Warhammer 40k or you end up with the fucking Wikipedia editor slapfights - in this case Twin Galaxies sounds just like Wikipedia editors arguing and playing favourites over mundane shit no one else cares about.

Sure the speed running community have a higher standard of proof and evidence but no one else really cares about this shit. Shit like The King of Kong made money from the Twin Galaxies story because it made the autism accessible to a lot more people.

The same thing applies to the speed running community - no one gives a shit about this autistic fucking crap except for people like Narcissa Wright... The drama/commentary faggots on YouTube like Jobst take this autistic shit that no one cares about and turn it into a product (drama videos that get sponsorships).

If it weren't for King of Kong and drama/commentary YouTubers then video game high scores would have next to no value. Supposedly the world's richest man is lying about his faggy Diable 4 level - guess what? Literally no one cares. The game is shit.

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

Sure the speed running community have a higher standard of proof and evidence but no one else really cares about this shit. Shit like The King of Kong made money from the Twin Galaxies story because it made the autism accessible to a lot more people.

They actually brought legit time-keeping and rules into this autistic sport.
That is how they found some people who submitted vouched for times in games that were impossible to achieve. (I believe Tod Rogers did submit one score of an old drag racer game that was impossible, he is the one who vouched for some of Billy's scores as a referee)

I am not sure if its just some ego trip by some retards who develop their entire personality around being good at certain games, Riolu and Trackmania cheating comes to mind too, or if there is also a financial aspect involved for them. Billy certainly has not presented himself as the most likeable person, but how much of that was the recent years of constant negative reporting is hard to say without ever having met the guy.

He won this lawsuit for a good reason, but not because he is such a shining beacon of morality, but because Karl really fucked himself with a rusty pitchfork and got high on his own farts and narrative.

 

[neger psykolog]

Billy stumbled onto an incredible scam 40 years ago and it's his only meaningful source of income

Sorry I'm gonna quote this again. I find it very hard to believe that video game autism is Billy's only meaningful source of income.

For sure it is Karl's only meaningful source of income though.

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

For those not in the loop, the "MAME proof" shows how different emulation software and the original arcade hardware load the levels and point out that in videos of Billy's highscores the level loading does not look like the original hardware loading, but displays distinct patterns that supposedly only happen in MAME emulation, thereby proving Billy did not achieve those highscores on original hardware. Using emulation software you can, in theory, load gamestates and pretty much create save-files from which you can resume play if you make a mistake.

To add to that, submitting runs done on MAME is allowed on Twin Galaxies (and iirc has been allowed even way back when Billy allegedly achieved his scores, MAME has been around for a long time), but it's in a separate category. That's because there are some additional requirements, one of which is that the video of the run must be accompanied by an .input file, in which all the player inputs are recorded.
Without the file it'd be possible to create what's called a TAS, a tool-assisted speed run, or to splice the footage.
I'm not claiming that Billy did that, but without that file it'd be significantly easier to fake achieving those scores.
Note that I'm not saying that Billy isn't capable of achieving that score, he seems to be quite proficient at the game, but that he could be tempted to cheat for the same reason that most speed runners do - to achieve a desired result in a lower amount of attempts.
IIRC a few years ago there was a thing where Billy tried recreating either his DK score or a perfect Pacman score on a livestream and it took him like 11 days to do it. All the while another boomer did it on the first try

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Sure it's possible they did it with financial motivations but I'm pretty sure twin galaxies made next to no money.

Any time you put a bunch of autistic people in a room together with games you either end up with something brilliant like Warhammer 40k or you end up with the fucking Wikipedia editor slapfights - in this case Twin Galaxies sounds just like Wikipedia editors arguing and playing favourites over mundane shit no one else cares about.

Sure the speed running community have a higher standard of proof and evidence but no one else really cares about this shit. Shit like The King of Kong made money from the Twin Galaxies story because it made the autism accessible to a lot more people.

The same thing applies to the speed running community - no one gives a shit about this autistic fucking crap except for people like Narcissa Wright... The drama/commentary faggots on YouTube like Jobst take this autistic shit that no one cares about and turn it into a product (drama videos that get sponsorships).

If it weren't for King of Kong and drama/commentary YouTubers then video game high scores would have next to no value. Supposedly the world's richest man is lying about his faggy Diable 4 level - guess what? Literally no one cares. The game is shit.

You got the the metaphor totally backwards. Twin Galaxies wasn't wikipedia editors are arguing, it was wikipedia editors colluding. Just like a group of lolcows all getting together to write articles to be cited on each others' Wikipedia pages. This was all being done to increase their celebrity - at the time they were netting sponsorships from video game companies and going on tour as the "US National Video Game Team." They were broadcasting Twin Galaxies' world championship on broadcast TV. Walter Day was on the cover of (an edition) of Time Magazine. You can see how, if the industry didn't completely crash, this would constitute a tidy little hustle for them.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Billy stumbled onto an incredible scam 40 years ago and it's his only meaningful source of income, so he's not going to let the fact that people suddenly started to care about high scores and stop him from making money. Karl really didn't stand a chance.

I don't think there's any money in King Kong high scores, if anything all the bullshit is probably a drain on Billy's finances.

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[Yellow Yam Scam]

I don't think there's any money in King Kong high scores, if anything all the bullshit is probably a drain on Billy's finances.

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Yeah, I got Wikipedia too - his parents own two restaurants and he owns some percentage of a hot sauce brand that no one can say they have ever bought or organically seen for sale outside of his website. He is not moving a meaningful amount of this hot sauce. Billy's primary source of income is from doing D-Grade ComicCon type events, which he gets to do because of the high scores.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Can the judge tack on another couple tens of thousands just for making me listen to Karl's voice again? I cannot fucking stand his cadence.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

Pootahar posted a video:

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I'm actually surprised he didn't pull the usual faggot move of backstabbing Karl and completely shunning him from everything like he's done to other of his so called "friends"

 

[neger psykolog]

You got the the metaphor totally backwards. Twin Galaxies wasn't wikipedia editors are arguing, it was wikipedia editors colluding. Just like a group of lolcows all getting together to write articles to be cited on each others' Wikipedia pages. This was all being done to increase their celebrity - at the time they were netting sponsorships from video game companies and going on tour as the "US National Video Game Team." They were broadcasting Twin Galaxies' world championship on broadcast TV. Walter Day was on the cover of (an edition) of Time Magazine. You can see how, if the industry didn't completely crash, this would constitute a tidy little hustle for them.

True I guess and collude is probably a better term than slapfight.

The only thing is that the money and the US national game team and the Time Magazine shit was all back in the 80s and I'm almost certain the amount of genuine gaymers who even contributed scores was minimal compared to today. From what I can remember back then you could literally just take a photo of your high score on the TV/arcade cabinet and mail it in.

Past the early 80s, the 90s, the 10s and even the 20s? No one gives a shit. None of this shit made money. There's no grand conspiracy to collude the high score of Donkey Kong so a bunch of fat idiots put more quarters into the arcade cabinet. This shit is all literally tiny nowadays.

Keep in mind the whole cabal controlling these high scores definitely went through a phase where old arcade cabinets and console games lost all of their value and we're thrown out. It's only very, very recently (relatively) that the value of vintage video game shit has skyrocketed because of fat niggers nowadays who wants nostalgia bullshit.

I can almost guarantee there's several Twin Galaxies people who dumped entire storage units worth of vintage video game shit because it was worthless and are kicking themselves because of how much that shit appreciated in value.

Anyway, bottom line is the financial interests and benefit in all of this shit is basically negligible except for a few gold Rush years before the video game industry crashed in the 80s. The only reason any of them have held onto this shit for this long is because of ego and nostalgia for the 80s when they were probably actually getting actual female pussy from the fame back then - I guess it's ironic that the female pussy is long gone and has been replaced with a bunch of transgender people who have muscled into their autistic hobby.