Don't forget the Gaddafi simps.
I actually think there's an argument that Gaddafi was a pretty decent leader when it comes straight down to brass tacks if you look at the current state of Libya same thing with Saddam Hussein I wouldn't want to live under them but from a strictly pragmatic point of view both Libya and Iraq were more stable under both of the rules.
Like there's actually a pragmatic argument if you look at Gaddafi control of Libya and what it Became.
Same thing with Saddam Hussein's Iraq before the invasion iraq was a secular dictatorship now it is an Islamic puppet of Iran basically so both men may have done horrible things but they will objectively better for both countries than the current state they find themselves in.
But when it comes down to Joseph Stalin most of his good ideas that he gets credit for were just ideas taken wholesale from Nicholas the 2nd but Nicholas the 2nd was going to pay the people to build all of these infrastructure projects rather than using slave labor.
It's for Vladimir Putin apologists that is only A thing simply due to the fact that the United States literally let itself be infiltrated by literal agents of the Soviet Union in the 1930s and still to this day has never actually prosecuted all the people who were working on behalf the Soviet Union every single person should have been put to death.
The other issue is that the United States spent the better part of the last 25 years engaging in the most completely pointless proxy conflicts on the face of the planet so when we need to engage in actual legitimate proxy conflict that isn't our interest such as Ukraine people are tired of it and just call you a war mongering psycho.
It also doesn't help that a lot of these countries will screen that Putin is a dictator and that he throws people in prison for a speech related offenses and then turn around and do the same thing I think a lot of Europe has lost its soft power ability because they no longer protect the fundamental right of freedom of speech or right to bear arms.
And that's where Putin comes in by funding the radical right and radical left to destabilize Western Europe and liberal democracies but it's something he's been doing for decades if people were to clamp down on the radical left in the 1950s we wouldn't be in this pickle.
But I'm a monarchist so I generally don't care whether or not liberal democracy tears itself apart because it's become a hypocrisable parody of itself.
Finally a place to talk about my favorite failed comedian not funny loser and number one defender of Vladimir Putin iran and number one self hating Jew dave Smith.
The man who is The Walking contradiction of libertarians when it comes to foreign policy.
Also Douglas Moule may be a neoconservative But Dave objectively lost this entire debate he comes off looking like a complete and utter clown who doesn't know what he's talking about douglas Moreau just shuts down his debate bro tactics like a boss.
Also you should probably make a second thread about the right wing phenomenon of the same origin but then again you could just put it in one place because they generally tend to be the same generalized talking points
Marx himself had a great amount of disdain for what he called the lumpenproletariat, that is to say workers who hold beliefs and engage in behavior that is against the interests of the working class. Modern Marxists like the part of Marxism where the workers rise up to take power from the capitalists, but they tend to skip the part where the workers are supposed to go through this process of self-improvement in order to become worthy of wielding that power. Which is why they find themselves supporting criminals and drug addicts at the expense of the rest of the working class.
You know as much as these people tell you to read Marx they themselves have never actually done that to begin with.
Also these people really have much more in common with one of marks friends Max Stoner where literally whatever they want to do trumps every other consideration
