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It's not OK for China to do what it does, but you have to be careful and strategic about it and consider the tradeoffs. Broad tariffs are an extremely regressive form of tax which means the burden will fall heaviest on people with the lowest incomes.
you mean poor people won't be able to waste their money on single-use plastic bullshit from temu and amazon anymore? they might actually have to save and buy a quality item that fulfills the purpose they need, or make a decision if the purchase matches up with their needs at all? oh my god, how horrible! people will have to budget their money! grow the fuck up and learn what it means to tighten your belt, or just not have every single piece of garbage you think you need to make your consoomer life better.

the spoiler and real information is that most of the shit you eat day to day is gonna come from the US anyway, and if it's not, it's got 10 trillion artificial and natural ingredients from across the planet that are barely going to see an increase in costs from tariffs. groceries will not see a 35% increase, and even if they do, that means your gallon of milk costs 90 cents more for a few months to years, and in return, the economy becomes more healthy and you gain a better foothold in the world with the money you do have because it becomes more valuable.

this is why economics is such a rare field for people to have expertise in even in places like the kiwifarms. there are pieces of the puzzle that the average layman never even knows exist.

"The EU does not impose a 39% tariff on US goods
Available evidence shows that the real EU tariff rate is nowhere near the 39% mark.

The European Commission says it charges an average tariff of just 1% on US products entering the EU market, "considering the actual trade in goods". It adds that the US administration collected approximately €7 billion of tariffs on EU products in 2023 compared to the EU's €3 billion on US goods.

A World Trade Organisation (WTO) estimate puts the average tariff rate on US products entering the EU slightly higher at 4.8%.

In both cases, this is far off the 39% figure quoted by the Trump administration."
as has already been explained to you retards, these are not just tariffs aimed at 100% tariff reciprocity. this is tariffing to equal out to the things that they also simply forbid to be sold in the EU when imported from america, such as cheese which was an example given earlier in the thread. you are a dumb nigger bringing up already-deboonked arguments from retarded nigger sources.

"we say it's this number, and we don't want you to look ANY DEEPER at any trade imbalances. just focus on the number and how bad orange man is."
 
I just think it's funny that pretty much every tariff is lower than what the other country charges us. At worst it's equal.

Really gets the noggin joggin that the EU charges us 39% but are losing their fucking minds over 20%.
Those numbers on the chart aren't tariffs they impose on us. They are calculated with the trade deficit with the US.
 
Your last part is wrong, Hoover absolutely interfered in the economy and made the situation worse.

On a related note, one of the primary reasons the Great Depression lasted so long (till 1946) was because of FDRs idiocy of not allowing the markets to readapt and his own policies
I'm sorry? I didn't say anything about if the Smoot-Hawley act was effective or not. Nor did I defend it saying it helped. It was implemented in an attempt to help. My statement is that the Smoot-Hawley act wasn't what started The Depression, as is the claim of the current meta screeching.
 
they might actually have to save and buy a quality item that fulfills the purpose they need, or make a decision if the purchase matches up with their needs at all? oh my god, how horrible! people will have to budget their money! grow the fuck up and learn what it means to tighten your belt, or just not have every single piece of garbage you think you need to make your consoomer life better.
"Trump will make everyone poorer and people will no longer be able to afford luxury items" isn't the win you think it is.
 
so the copes have been flying so fast I'm losing track
first tariffs kill the country that makes them, but then they had to account for everybody else having them
the factories couldn't be rebuilt, then they shifted that to "it might take more than two years even!"
there's also the usual "wall street is you because you're a gop from 1992 so cry about the line please" but that one's basically a backbeat at this point
oh also "those aren't the real numbers" which will turn into the usual "AKSHUALLY they only rape 70% not 85% okay so shut up"
 
In Oval Office Meeting, Far-Right Activist Pushes Trump to Fire National Security Staff
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, and Ken Bensinger
2025-04-03 16:03:02GMT
Laura Loomer, the far-right activist and promoter of conspiracy theories, met on Wednesday with President Trump in the Oval Office, where she pressed for him to fire National Security Council staff members whom she deemed disloyal to him, according to seven people with knowledge of the events.

Mr. Trump is likely to act on some of Ms. Loomer’s recommendations, two of the people said. Ms. Loomer walked into the White House with a sheaf of papers, which amounted to a mass of opposition research attacking the character and loyalty of numerous N.S.C. officials, two of the people said. She proceeded to excoriate them in front of their boss, the national security adviser Michael Waltz, who was also in the meeting.

Ms. Loomer’s rhetoric and actions have been so extreme that she has alienated even others on the far right. She has shared a conspiracy theory on social media calling the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks an “inside job.” During the 2024 campaign, Ms. Loomer said that “the White House will smell like curry” if Kamala Harris were elected, a jab at her Indian heritage. During the Republican primary campaign, in which she served as Mr. Trump’s online attack dog against Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, Ms. Loomer floated the baseless notion that Mr. DeSantis’s wife, Casey, had lied about having breast cancer.

But on Wednesday afternoon, she sat with the president in the Oval Office, plying him with claims about staff members whom she insisted he should dismiss. News of her attendance was first reported by the newsletter Status, but the details of what was discussed had not been revealed.

The meeting came after a recent string of social media attacks by Ms. Loomer on Trump administration officials, including Alex Wong, the deputy national security adviser. Mr. Wong’s boss, Mr. Waltz, has been under fire from detractors both inside and outside the administration for more than a week after the revelation that he created a group on Signal, a nonsecure commercial messaging app, to discuss sensitive details of a military strike in Yemen and inadvertently added a journalist to the chat.

Mr. Waltz was already on shaky footing before the incident and now may lose the ability to protect his staff from dismissals, with several senior staff members potentially on the chopping block. Mr. Trump has spoken somewhat sympathetically about Mr. Wong in some of his private conversations with advisers.

But Ms. Loomer, in posts on X, questioned Mr. Wong’s loyalty to the administration because his wife had worked at the Justice Department during the Biden and Obama administrations. Mr. Wong’s wife was also a career prosecutor and Justice Department official during Mr. Trump’s first term and a clerk for Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh.

Ms. Loomer has referred to her as a “Chinese woman” and alleged that the family was part of a conspiracy. She speculated that Mr. Wong was responsible for adding The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, to the group chat “on purpose as part of a foreign opp to embarrass the Trump administration on behalf of China.”

She also attacked Mr. Wong’s father-in-law, who is of Taiwanese descent and was a large shareholder in what was a British-owned satellite-making company based in Hong Kong.

Ms. Loomer, reached by phone, declined to comment. A White House spokesman and an N.S.C. spokesman did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment.

The meeting with Ms. Loomer came shortly before Mr. Trump’s major tariff announcement late Wednesday afternoon in the White House Rose Garden. Vice President JD Vance; Mr. Waltz; the head of presidential personnel, Sergio Gor; the White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles; and Steven Cheung, the White House communications director, were also in the Oval Office, according to three of the people briefed on the meeting.

Ms. Loomer was seated directly across the desk from the president. Next to her was Representative Scott Perry, a Pennsylvania Republican who was one of Mr. Trump’s biggest allies in his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss. Mr. Perry had a separate list of staff concerns he wanted to discuss with the president, and his planned meeting with Mr. Trump collided with Ms. Loomer’s, one of the people briefed on the events said.

Mr. Perry and one of his aides did not immediately respond to text messages seeking comment.

Mr. Trump’s scheduled meetings often collapse into one another. The commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, whose brother died in the Sept. 11 attacks, had attended a trade meeting just before Ms. Loomer’s and Mr. Perry’s meeting, and was present for a portion of it, one of the people briefed on the matter said. A spokesman for Mr. Lutnick did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

During the roughly 30-minute encounter, attendees discussed dismissing a number of government workers. Mr. Waltz attended only briefly, so that he could defend his staff, according to one of the people briefed on what took place.

A longtime supporter of Mr. Trump who has frequently spoken of her desire to work him, Ms. Loomer was a dogged and combative ally during the 2024 campaign. But Mr. Trump distanced himself from her in the race’s final stretch after he invited her on his plane to travel to the debate with Joseph R. Biden Jr. and then to a series of events commemorating the Sept. 11 attacks. Ms. Loomer’s presence at the memorial events, and on his plane, provoking widespread outrage.

Still, Ms. Loomer has remained in contact with some of Mr. Trump’s aides and has, for the most part, fiercely defended the president while blitzing perceived opponents and enemies with searing attacks shared with her 1.5 million followers on X. She has complained in recent weeks that she has not received an invitation to sit in the “new media seat” at the White House press briefings, despite having applied unsuccessfully for a press pass.

But her appearance at the White House this week seemed to signal a return to good graces for Ms. Loomer, prompted in significant part by her becoming a kind of grand inquisitor for the administration, rooting out officials she deems insufficiently faithful to Mr. Trump.

Three weeks ago, she published a series of posts on X tracking the movements of Mr. Biden’s son Hunter while he was in South Africa, complaining that he received Secret Service protection.

A few days later, Hunter Biden’s security detail was revoked, along with that of his sister, Ashley Biden. Later, the Secret Service protection for Alejandro Mayorkas, the former homeland security secretary, was also canceled.

Then last week, she singled out an assistant U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, Adam Schleifer, who had unsuccessfully run for Congress as a Democrat in 2020. Less than two hours after she called him a “Trump hater” who should be fired on X, Mr. Schleifer was terminated.

Since then, she has publicly called for the dismissals of Maria Proestou, a deputy assistant secretary of the Navy; Ivan Kanapathy, the National Security Council director for Asia; Amer Ghalib, the mayor of Hamtramck, Mich., who is Mr. Trump’s nominee to be U.S. ambassador to Kuwait; and Katrina Fotovat, the head of the State Department’s Office of Global Women’s Issues. In at least one case, Ms. Loomer tagged Mr. Gor, the White House’s head of personnel.

In addition, Ms. Loomer said the L.G.B.T.Q. liaison at the Veterans Affairs Department’s Center for Minority Veterans should be fired, as well as an unidentified staff member working in the N.S.C.’s intelligence office who she said was transgender and “hates President Trump.”

“If you are aware of this person and have their name, please send it to me and I will post their identity,” Ms. Loomer wrote on X on Saturday. “The American people deserve to know who this Trans Biden holdover is that is embedded in our intel community.”

Last month she started her own research and vetting firm, called Loomered Strategies, that she said would provide high-level opposition research for hire. The term refers to what she and others call “getting Loomered,” which is when she targets someone, either in ambush-style interviews or online. She has also tried to dig up dirt on officials outside the administration, either because they have gotten in Mr. Trump’s way or because she questions their loyalty.

In recent weeks, she has claimed that two federal judges who issued rulings blocking Mr. Trump’s efforts to deport noncitizens were compromised because of the activities of their adult children.

In a March 17 post that went viral, Ms. Loomer said that Judge James E. Boasberg, who barred the deportation of Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador under a 1798 law, had a conflict because his daughter works for a nonprofit that provides legal support to people facing criminal charges. Several days later she said that Judge Jesse M. Furman, who blocked the deportation of the Columbia University graduate student Mahmoud Khalil, should be recused because his son was once an intern for Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader.

Still, at times she worked against some people Mr. Trump considers allies, including Elon Musk, whom she criticized last year over his support for visas for high-skilled immigrants.

Some of Mr. Trump’s far-right allies consider Ms. Loomer useful to attack common enemies. And Mr. Trump, for his part, has mostly been admiring of Ms. Loomer’s tactics. Speaking at an event, he once singled her out in the crowd.

“You don’t want to be Loomered,” Mr. Trump said. “If you’re Loomered, you’re in deep trouble. That’s the end of your career in a sense. Thanks, Laura.”
 
"Trump will make everyone poorer and people will no longer be able to afford luxury items" isn't the win you think it is.
ah yes, luxury items like the shitty cat toys that poison your cat, or a tent that rips the second you open the box, or a sheet that contains less threadcount than actually promised because they know there's nothing you can do.
you are literally defending dropship scams that predate on poor people and somehow think this is a total own. i do not give a shit if shaqueesha can't buy the newest iphone every year. i don't give a shit if hayden and splaydin can't buy a new apple imac every 6 months. i don't give a fuck if people cannot buy the apple vr headset, or some stupid faggot nintendo console. you are not, cannot, and will never be able to make a convincing argument about this, because you don't understand what people who actually care about this have to say. you cannot conceive of a world where someone prioritizes human life and living with a prosperous local economy over buying cheap plastic bullshit daily to waste money.

kill yourself, you stockbrained faggot. you are everything wrong with this country.
 
ah yes, luxury items like the shitty cat toys that poison your cat, or a tent that rips the second you open the box, or a sheet that contains less threadcount than actually promised because they know there's nothing you can do.
you are literally defending dropship scams that predate on poor people and somehow think this is a total own. i do not give a shit if shaqueesha can't buy the newest iphone every year. i don't give a shit if hayden and splaydin can't buy a new apple imac every 6 months. i don't give a fuck if people cannot buy the apple vr headset, or some stupid faggot nintendo console. you are not, cannot, and will never be able to make a convincing argument about this, because you don't understand what people who actually care about this have to say. you cannot conceive of a world where someone prioritizes human life and living with a prosperous local economy over buying cheap plastic bullshit daily to waste money.

kill yourself, you stockbrained faggot. you are everything wrong with this country.
You are a gigantic retard and if you weren't poor you would probably actually have a real understanding of economics. I'll pray for you that you could someday get a job and stop being a faggot.
 
Israel apologized and paid reparations for the USS Liberty. The same happened with the USS Stark when Iraq hit it. Both Iraq and Israel took action to attempt to repair the damage and make amends.
So if Iran just says "We are sowwe we attacked you ship UwU" and pays some cash, then goes on to deny all those attacks were intentional, that should be okay, right?
Your retarded ass is comparing the active murder of American civilians and attacks on America ships by proxy groups of a country who refers to America as the Great Satan to an accident 58 years ago where Israel immediately apologized and paid reparations.
We both know that was a very intentional attack. If you're such a retard you think that the Israelis couldn't tell that was an American ship you're dumber than an Iranian. Furthermore Jews think that Christ is burning in excrement in Hell. So if Iran's think that it's bad but how jews feel about my people is far worse.
Iran has killed so many Americans through Hamas. They killed 3 American soldiers through their Iraqi militias. They are firing missiles at American ships through the Houthi. That's all fine and acceptable to you?
Nigger. You said it was Iran lol Now the goalpost has changed and it's proxy groups. I never said that was fine but there's other avenues you can go. You're trying to make a false equivalent and emotionally blackmail people with this "don't you feel bad" bullshit. No, I really don't feel bad. They were soldiers on active duty and that's unfortunately part of what happens in that field. If we're going to use emotional argument though, Iran wouldn't hate us at all if we erent keeping Israel afloat as a nation. It only exists because we think it should and it's getting closer and closer that America is going to cut the cord one day.
 
Are you aware that the amount that Trump was showing in the chart was fabricated out of nothing?
Tue EU doesn't charge the US 39%, it just doesnt.


"The EU does not impose a 39% tariff on US goods
Available evidence shows that the real EU tariff rate is nowhere near the 39% mark.

The European Commission says it charges an average tariff of just 1% on US products entering the EU market, "considering the actual trade in goods". It adds that the US administration collected approximately €7 billion of tariffs on EU products in 2023 compared to the EU's €3 billion on US goods.

A World Trade Organisation (WTO) estimate puts the average tariff rate on US products entering the EU slightly higher at 4.8%.

In both cases, this is far off the 39% figure quoted by the Trump administration."

source; https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...ld-trumps-tariffs-on-the-eu-really-reciprocal
The fact that two organizations give two numbers is enough for me to know that the number is bullshit.
 
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You have been successfully duped. The numbers on the list Trump held up was not actually tariffs these countries have on trade with the US. He presented it as that, which was the point, because then it's justified in the eyes of people like you.
those numbers also include monetary devaluation and trade barriers.
 
It's not OK for China to do what it does, but you have to be careful and strategic about it and consider the tradeoffs. Broad tariffs are an extremely regressive form of tax which means the burden will fall heaviest on people with the lowest incomes.

You also need to plan for impact on supply chains, as well as domestic producers increasing their prices because the tariff lets them get away with it by making competitor products artificially more expensive.

As well as what might happen if the tariffed nations start realigning trade with each other and stop buying US exports, or stop using the US dollar as a reserve currency. Remember, the trade deficit is only one piece of the balance of payments.
Thank you for the attempt. This is an argument agaisnt tariffs generally. I don't agree with it nor do I think the projection at the end is likely to happen. None of this answered my question. Why is it OK for the world to tariff America but not ok for America to tariff the world. Presumably all of the negatives you've just laid out apply to the other countries that have tariffs on American goods and yet they clearly have tariffs in place. The effects you are talking about have not happened in Europe where you can get the same bottle of French wine for more than a third of the price lower in the states.
 
I'm sorry? I didn't say anything about if the Smoot-Hawley act was effective or not. Nor did I defend it saying it helped. It was implemented in an attempt to help. My statement is that the Smoot-Hawley act wasn't what started The Depression, as is the claim of the current meta screeching.
Ah I didn't realize you were talking about it from the view of people back then
 
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