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Yes but can it even be done before midterms? The structures in place are old enough to where I seriously doubt they can be undone in half a presidential term. Sure the current leftists are evil but stupid, but the ones in the past were evil but also smart.
There is one way to find out if this works or not, and while building takes a decade, destroying takes a day
 
Yes but can it even be done before midterms? The structures in place are old enough to where I seriously doubt they can be undone in half a presidential term. Sure the current leftists are evil but stupid, but the ones in the past were evil but also smart.
It doesn't need to be done before midterms. There's nothing they can do about Trump's tariffs until the presidential election.
 
Yes, but also the fact is Americans don’t have any alternative products until industry makes a return, people will still buy the shit until US based competition becomes a thing
The higher the tariffs are on the country that currently produces the thing, the sloppier you can be in how you set up your domestic manufacturing, as they are starting with an X% handicap. This creates a huge incentive for existing companies to set up domestic manufacturing and for new companies to be created to do same.
 
Because it'll harm the US considerably more.

They can and will subsidize their domestic industries as needed to offset the impact of the tariffs as well as realign existing trade with non-US producers, and in fact in a lot of cases they can flat-out order those producers to do so. On top of that, over a quarter of China's GDP is generated by state-owned enterprises that can run at a loss for a considerable amount of time.
Excluding revolution, economic slowdown is the last thing the rulers of the PRC want.

If the rate of growth lowers enough the bottom will fall out of housing market and the construction industry. That would also destroy the net worth of most of the country immediately. From there the results are obvious and inevitable. Because it's a positive feedback loop, you can't predict it until it's too late.

Economic prosperity (each generation getting more than the last) is what has kept the political situation so stable. Massive economic discontent would have the opposite effect.

The US is a huge export market for China and a full blown trade war could actually be enough to slow their growth and topple the whole thing. There's no alternative export market, either.

On that basis, I predict that there will be some hard talk for a bit before making concessions in the least humiliating way possible.
 
There are people I know running fabrications for race cars making their own parts to the bolt. Small shops and fabrications are more than doable when you have a market niche you can tend to. There's a lot of tools available to us all these days, but there's a lot of bullshit paperwork that gets tacked on when you run a small business. Depending on your state they will absolutely fuck you over. Some places (primarily blue states but you can still get fucked on a local level too.) are absolutely hostile to anyone being independent.
They're doable if the market niche you're trying to get into doesn't have governing regulatory requirements that is just pure overhead and admin costs. Maintaining an ISO certification to sell your grade 8 bolt you made in your garage with your Bridgeport isn't doable. It's not just a "blue state taxes" problem. There's legitimate hurdles out there to keep morons from buying a Mazak and flooding the market with shit components that break and kill someone.

And if you think the solution to opening up production in the states is to nerf quality control certifications, then I don't know what to tell you. Businesses can and will cut every possible corner to increase profit and lots of times the only thing preventing cars from veering off the road and planes from falling out of the sky is the requirement to meet at least a bare minimum standard that's audited by an independent 3rd party.
 
The higher the tariffs are on the country that currently produces the thing, the sloppier you can be in how you set up your domestic manufacturing, as they are starting with an X% handicap. This creates a huge incentive for existing companies to set up domestic manufacturing and for new companies to be created to do same.
It's going to take a few years to even begin building up that supply chain and the big question is whether the public can stomach the pain until then. Judging by the past two days it doesn't look like it. Lots and lots of boomer Trump supporters screaming "what just happened?"
 
It's going to take a few years to even begin building up that supply chain and the big question is whether the public can stomach the pain until then. Judging by the past two days it doesn't look like it. Lots and lots of boomer Trump supporters screaming "what just happened?"
It depends heavily on the product. Some have way more complicated production chains than others. Some can more easily flex their workforce from one country to another and some can't. For things like clothing, that's going to be an almost instant transition, you could be up and running this very year; only luxury brands will be able to abstain from taking advantage of the arbitrage created by tariffs. For the most industrial products, timelines could be decades. But you know what? That's why you don't fucking ship all shit overseas to begin with. Undoing decades of damage can't be done with a snap of the fingers.
 
The Right, the most ardent capitalists, spent 30 years saying how based and epic it was that we could buy cheap goods from China when we sent all our manufacturing overseas. Free trade was largely a Reagan creation and the Right still sucks him off to this day. NAFTA was only protested against by leftists at the time now it's correctly stated by the Right that NAFTA was a mistake.

Is the Right comfortable with saying Reagan and the free trade ideology that removed good paying jobs from America was a mistake?
 
In alternate timeline of Harris in office, I imagine the "woke" cult" would be moving to ban the GOP sooner or later, if not already.

Just like the "woke" in power are trying to do in the EU with parties deemed "extremist" over there, such as the AfD over in Germany.
Not the GOP, because the GOP exists as a pressure valve to gracefully lose LEGALLY and eventually capitulate to every Democrat demand. But MAGA, anything to the right of Bush/McCain would 100% be labelled terrorist organizations. They were already ramping up for that kind of thing by labelling """"white supremacy""" the most pressing domestic terror threat, and then began labeling any of their opposition as """"white supremacists"""".

I am not exaggerating when I say we cannot let these people have power again.

Was it a non-crime? AFAIK there was another politician who did the same thing on a much smaller scale and stopped voluntary who also got in trouble for the misappropriation of funds.
In this case they also stopped once investigated which suggests they knew it wasnt entirely on the up and up.
Part of the problem is that it's the same thing with Trump where even if technically there was some kind of violation it's only because of who they are. They're not going after other politicians doing the same or similar things. It's literally going into a dumpster with a magnifying glass trying to find anything you can possibly use against them.
 
The Right, the most ardent capitalists, spent 30 years saying how based and epic it was that we could buy cheap goods from China when we sent all our manufacturing overseas. Free trade was largely a Reagan creation and the Right still sucks him off to this day. NAFTA was only protested against by leftists at the time now it's correctly stated by the Right that NAFTA was a mistake.

Is the Right comfortable with saying Reagan and the free trade ideology that removed good paying jobs from America was a mistake?
I think this is a generational thing above all, boomer cons will be sucking Reagan's cock until they get to the pearly gates but I think it's becoming a popular position for young conservatives to hate Reagan and blame him for a lot of where we are
 
Is the Right comfortable with saying Reagan and the free trade ideology that removed good paying jobs from America was a mistake?
This Reagan-worship thing you're referring to is a boomer phenomenon. Not even remotely the sentiment of even a typical Trump supporter, who call that entire generation RINOs and cucks. Have you been in a coma since the 1980s?
 
The Right, the most ardent capitalists, spent 30 years saying how based and epic it was that we could buy cheap goods from China when we sent all our manufacturing overseas. Free trade was largely a Reagan creation and the Right still sucks him off to this day. NAFTA was only protested against by leftists at the time now it's correctly stated by the Right that NAFTA was a mistake.

Is the Right comfortable with saying Reagan and the free trade ideology that removed good paying jobs from America was a mistake?
Yo, who made China most favored trade status? I'll spoil it

The Clinton Administration announced May 19, 1997 that it would renew most-favored-nation (MFN) status for China for the coming year.

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–China_Relations_Act_of_2000

Clinton was China's biggest fan, he sold them the W88 designs for DNC money and all that too.
 
The Right, the most ardent capitalists, spent 30 years saying how based and epic it was that we could buy cheap goods from China when we sent all our manufacturing overseas. Free trade was largely a Reagan creation and the Right still sucks him off to this day. NAFTA was only protested against by leftists at the time now it's correctly stated by the Right that NAFTA was a mistake.

Is the Right comfortable with saying Reagan and the free trade ideology that removed good paying jobs from America was a mistake?
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