William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

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"Procedural violations" aren't "cheating".

"Cheating", in all colloquial usage, is a violation of competitive integrity: Bribing umpires, sabotaging opponents' equipment, breaking rules such that the competition itself becomes void.
>semantics
It's very simple. If you wish to compete in a competition you abide by the rules. If you think the rules are stupid you either petition them or you don't compete. This is not hard to understand.
 
Because then, the moral dynamic is simple: 'King of Kong' is real, Billy Mitchell is Evil Cheater, Karl Jobst fought the good fight, but just lost.
It's funny I remember watching a video of Karl and some speedrunner buddy of his reacting to King of Kong and they seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's supposed to be a comedy/satire of competitive video game culture in documentary form.
 
The big issue with sing MAME is that from what I can tell there's no way to detect the use of save states. It doesn't emulate ski ball so IDK for sure.

My problem with Billy was always more of his thin skin and abuse of legal process than anything that had to do with videogames.
>"Well, it's technically possible to cheat on emulators."

Right. We've heard this before. You can cheat on original boards, too. If you have evidence that this actually happened in reality, post it and the Reddit troons will give you a billion Reddit Karma.
 
>semantics
It's very simple. If you wish to compete in a competition you abide by the rules. If you think the rules are stupid you either petition them or you don't compete. This is not hard to understand.
It's a rule that a baseball player has to have his shirt tucked in. If his shirt is untucked, would you call that "cheating"?
It's a rule that football players can't do touchdown celebrations simulating killing. If a player makes a gun gesture with his fingers, is that "cheating"?"

And how, exactly, do you know the other Guinness record holders for game scores don't use emulators? (Spoilers: they do!)

I'd say it's "cheating" that Billy Mitchell is scrutinized, while all the other players are given free reign to do whatever they want.
 
>"Well, it's technically possible to cheat on emulators."

Right. We've heard this before. You can cheat on original boards, too. If you have evidence that this actually happened in reality, post it and the Reddit troons will give you a billion Reddit Karma.
Original hardware is part of the rules, an emulator will, even if you don't intentionally cheat, change how the game runs. If you aren't willing to play by those rules, don't just lie and say you are.
 
It's funny I remember watching a video of Karl and some speedrunner buddy of his reacting to King of Kong and they seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's supposed to be a comedy/satire of competitive video game culture in documentary form.
Is it really supposed to be a satire? I mean it makes sense if you frame it like that but it makes more sense the creators were just dishonest or just wanted a compelling story to tell and getting high scores in games isn't particularly interesting.
 
It's a rule that a baseball player has to have his shirt tucked in. If his shirt is untucked, would you call that "cheating"?
It's a rule that football players can't do touchdown celebrations simulating killing. If a player makes a gun gesture with his fingers, is that "cheating"?"

And how, exactly, do you know the other Guinness record holders for game scores don't use emulators? (Spoilers: they do!)

I'd say it's "cheating" that Billy Mitchell is scrutinized, while all the other players are given free reign to do whatever they want.
The actual rule in baseball and football is that referees get to assess penalties and whatever a ref says happened, happened. If a referee doesn't call a play back then the play happened, even if one player pulled out a stun gun and tazed a member of the other team, the play still counts unless a ref calls it. If you actually followed sports you'd know this and be able to point out examples where a ref got it wrong, but I really doubt you follow any leagues if you believe that game winners can be undone by reviewing plays after the game is over.
 
And how, exactly, do you know the other Guinness record holders for game scores don't use emulators? (Spoilers: they do!)
Yeah that's the thing about Twin Galaxies and frankly a lot of other sources for certain Guiness world records historically (longest time walking a yoyo or whatever). They were all kind of bullshit and an excuse to pad the newest edition enough to justify selling it for whatever price it cost every year.
 
>"Well, it's technically possible to cheat on emulators."

Right. We've heard this before. You can cheat on original boards, too. If you have evidence that this actually happened in reality, post it and the Reddit troons will give you a billion Reddit Karma.
Are you retarded? Competing with MAME (in clear violation of the rules) is just cheating on it's face.

1. Most emulators are not frame perfect, so for competition purposes you are literally competing in a subtly different game.

2. Cheating on an emulator can be done relatively simply in an undetectable way, to cheat on original hardware you have to modify it.. that's both detectable by inspection and takes more effort.
 
It's a rule that a baseball player has to have his shirt tucked in. If his shirt is untucked, would you call that "cheating"?
It's a rule that football players can't do touchdown celebrations simulating killing. If a player makes a gun gesture with his fingers, is that "cheating"?"
You want to argue over the semantics of the word "cheating" when it's irrelevant. To use your ridiculous analogy, your baseball player has gone out of his way to untuck his shirt, lie about untucking his shirt, and then cried when he was disqualified. If you can't follow the rules then don't compete, even if they are stupid rules.
 
Yeah that's the thing about Twin Galaxies and frankly a lot of other sources for certain Guiness world records historically (longest time walking a yoyo or whatever). They were all kind of bullshit and an excuse to pad the newest edition enough to justify selling it for whatever price it cost every year.
You mean to tell me promotional material for a beer company is probably not the best way to measure human achievement?
 
You want to argue over the semantics of the word "cheating" when it's irrelevant. To use your ridiculous analogy, your baseball player has gone out of his way to untuck his shirt, lie about untucking his shirt, and then cried when he was disqualified. If you can't follow the rules then don't compete, even if they are stupid rules.
This dude is obviously severely mentally retarded and nothing he says should be taken seriously.
 
Is it really supposed to be a satire? I mean it makes sense if you frame it like that but it makes more sense the creators were just dishonest or just wanted a compelling story to tell and getting high scores in games isn't particularly interesting.
I mean the narrative, but maybe not necessarily the reality, of the film is that there's this guy Steve Wiebe who was a star basketball player in high school, is married to a beautiful woman and has a wonderful family and great career, but within the inverted culture of getting video game high scores he is an underdog and has to endure getting bullied by Billy and his gang of dented hangers-on.
 
I mean the narrative, but maybe not necessarily the reality, of the film is that there's this guy Steve Wiebe who was a star basketball player in high school, is married to a beautiful woman and has a wonderful family and great career, but within the inverted culture of getting video game high scores he is an underdog and has to endure getting bullied by Billy and his gang of dented hangers-on.
Hey, that sounds pretty similar to actual ongoing events.
 
I mean the narrative, but maybe not necessarily the reality, of the film is that there's this guy Steve Wiebe who was a star basketball player in high school, is married to a beautiful woman and has a wonderful family and great career, but within the inverted culture of getting video game high scores he is an underdog and has to endure getting bullied by Billy and his gang of dented hangers-on.
I mean when the "kill screen! We got a kill screen coming up" moments happen it is kind of beyond satire.
It's unfortunate they had to cheapen the "documentary" by creating or overemphasizing a Billy vs Steve rivalry when the sheer autism/truth of the high score community was a comedy by itself.
 
I mean when the "kill screen! We got a kill screen coming up" moments happen it is kind of beyond satire.
It's unfortunate they had to cheapen the "documentary" by creating or overemphasizing a Billy vs Steve rivalry when the sheer autism/truth of the high score community was a comedy by itself.
That's the worst part about it, there are so many weirdos in that whole thing that it would be fun to just know their stories and to see Billy being retarded in his own way than whatever fake beef they made.
 
Someone on /v/ decided to look up Karl's iconic Goldeneye Dam run on Speedrun.com and noticed something interesting.
I do not know what a "Rankings transition" is but it seems odd that Karl never tried to appeal this decision for a run he literally bawled over.
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Someone on /v/ decided to look up Karl's iconic Goldeneye Dam run on Speedrun.com and noticed something interesting.
I do not know what a "Rankings transition" is but it seems odd that Karl never tried to appeal this decision for a run he literally bawled over.
Source / Archive
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Ya know, based on his desk setup, I'm pretty sure he was playing on an emulator as well. I don't see a n64 controller Karl.
 
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