Trade War 2025 - You get tariffs and you get tariffs, tariffs for everyone!

[SBG]

GOD DAMN. I'm starting to wonder if the push for manufacturing is going to work at all.

at least chinese new years is over. just have to eat the costs and see where we are in a month or two.

I don't really see how it would.

I'm honestly in favor of trying to get more manufacturing in the US, but you can't just say an entire supply chain that has depended on a multitude of countries now needs to all be moved into the US within even a few years without it causing mass mayhem. How would you even build it up when you need materials from other countries to build a factory of whatever sort?

Would cost a fortune and the only way it'd be economically feasible to replace a bunch of the third world labor is if you had mass automation, which means a fairly limited amount of job growth would even be coming into the US. And that's only if a ton of people were willing to invest on the gamble that a highly automated factory in the US would even be profitable given the iffy tariff situation.

Reminded me of this video from Andrew Chen of denim brand 3sixteen that's floating around talking about the effect of tariffs on his company. You pretty much have extra costs being talked onto all supplies needed for some companies to produce their goods so everyone will get to feel the pain, all thanks to a fantasy some people have concocted that it's reasonable to demand all businesses cut themselves off from the rest of the world.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

this guy has us figured out.

One thing that cannot be understated is that the impact of having educated folks in the US from China (Or any other potential competitor, the EU, Japan, or India for example) for so long. Yes, you can diffuse your culture and send some back as spies, but there also lies the threat of a Arminius coming out of the woodwork.

Another case in point would be Yamamoto pointing out the folly of attacking the US in 1941, having been educated in Harvard and stationed as a naval attache.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Nissan considers transferring some domestic production to U.S., report says​

https://archive.is/iVLzw

Nissan Motor is considering shifting some domestic production of U.S.-bound vehicles to the U.S., the Nikkei reported on Saturday, as U.S. President Donald Trump ramps up trade tariffs on nations worldwide.


As early as this summer, Nissan plans to reduce production at its Fukuoka factory in western Japan and shift some manufacturing of its Rogue SUV to the United States to mitigate the impact of Trump's tariffs, the business newspaper said, without citing the source of its information.



The Japanese automaker's Rogue SUV, a key model in the U.S. market, is now produced in Fukuoka and the United States, the report said.

On Thursday, Nissan said it would not take new orders from the U.S. for two Mexican-built Infiniti SUVs after earlier Trump tariff announcements, marking a drastic scale-back of its operations at a joint venture plant.

The automaker now plans to maintain two shifts of production of the Rogue at its Smyrna, Tennessee, plant after announcing in January it would end one of the two shifts this month.

Nissan sold about 920,000 vehicles in the U.S. last year, of which about 16% were exported from Japan, the Nikkei said, adding the planned production shift could hit local suppliers' businesses.

Trump is sucking up all the productivity around the world with tariff.

Absolutely stunning. GENIUS.

AMERICA #1

 

[mindlessobserver]

this guy has us figured out. we can't even rebuild LA thanks to the regulations. https://archive.is/sZoQn
A black city/township sued corpus christi, tx for trying to open a desalination plant, also complaining about pollution from the refineries.
And then there's the lawsuit against the siracha factory and the one against jack daniels for the black mold or whatever they pipe out.

Even if the EPA grants permission, land near an employee base is rare and it'd be a wonder if people move for a factory job.

People forget that Congress has passed lots of fun laws over the years. We all have been introduced to the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.

Let me introduce you too the Defense Production Act of 1950

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/4502

Has some real bangers in it.

The President shall take appropriate actions to assure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Rudy speaks

 

[George Lucas]

https://archive.is/iVLzw

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Trump is sucking up all the productivity around the world with tariff.

Absolutely stunning. GENIUS.

AMERICA #1

It’a very ironic that you posted this after three LARPers were jacking off about how bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is impossible.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

*A few anecdotes when I asked some business owners / party members. They seem pretty upbeat but they are not your average working man.

Are you sure they aren't A&N posters? Blaming niggers and the EPA is what Trump fans do.

 

[Gerelatha]

It’a very ironic that you posted this after three LARPers were jacking off about how bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is impossible.

companies will say this shit in attempts to get tariff waivers
In reality it’s going to end up like trumps Foxconn factory from 2017
It never happened

 

[Unique User Name]

It’a very ironic that you posted this after three LARPers were jacking off about how bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. is impossible.

Oh boy! An unnamed source has stated that one whole entire shift will not be cancelled at an existing Tennessee Nissan plant, which was already producing these vehicles! I'm sure that was only possible by completely tanking international trade through ChatGPT driven numbers.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Seems all the "woke" journos are really exaggerating or fearmongering with that tariffs issue... because "Orange Man bad", of course.

Saw a physical copy of the NYT at the newsstand (yeah I still do that in 2025).

The front page had this graph that looks like a really steep decline in the S&P 500... until you see that the bottom of the graph is around 5000 and the top is around 6000. I think the journos are deliberately trying to make the tariff situation look much worse than it really is. Also, "tariffs bad" seems to be a recurring theme in the papers.

 

[Nol 2]

Reminded me of this video from Andrew Chen of denim brand 3sixteen that's floating around talking about the effect of tariffs on his company. You pretty much have extra costs being talked onto all supplies needed for some companies to produce their goods so everyone will get to feel the pain, all thanks to a fantasy some people have concocted that it's reasonable to demand all businesses cut themselves off from the rest of the world.


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How is he going from 10USD cost to 40-50USD cost? Material on the ship comes in, gets whacked with an extra 50% (at the high end) If he's making it in the US, it should be tarrifed once at my logic, The margins on a percent level shouldn't meaningfully, so he is either 1) making a bunch of the clothes out of the country despite the American Made talk, or 2) he is planning on price gouging hard and realizing his customers are too financially illiterate to see whats happening.

Even a 100% tariff on all raw materials wouldn't add up to a 4-5x price increase unless you are passing things across the border multiple times.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Are you sure they aren't A&N posters? Blaming niggers and the EPA is what Trump fans do.

extra 50% (at the high end)

That's just the base tariff, if you're importing certain items under the HTS coding, say CNC machines from China it becomes a base of 54% base 20+34% (which the latter isn't listed on the HTS chart yet), + 4.2% general rate (8459.61.00) for specific HTS code, + 25% as ordered under 9903.88.01 (also recent, so I add that there) for a grand whoopin total of 83.2% tariff.


Let us say I want to start a sweatshop hiring wetbacks to make clothing in the US (only the assembly step, assume that the entire chain was outsourced as most were).
1) Machinery for weaving - 74% tariff, HTS 8444
2) Lubricating oil for treating the textiles as 54%+3.7%+20%=77.7 HTS 3403
3) cotton textiles for example from China would be 54% + 5.3% + 20% = 79.3% HTS 3921.12.19
4) Buttons would be which is 0.3 cents per roll + 54% + 4.6% +20%= > 78.6% HTS 9606.21

If the cost of each of these was 1 usd each for a shirt without tariffs, they now become 1.75 each. Just the fabric + button would be $3.5 instead of $2.0 for an increase of 75% in costs.

Walmart jeans not made in USA are $19.98. US manufactured but sourced material/tooling from elsewhere would be $34.96 + the labor cost of a US worker.

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

I dunno, this seems pretty funny and people I hate/are a net drain on humanity seem to be panicking about it so I don't really care. Plus my wife was actually trying to learn what a tariff was yesterday, and looking at some basics on economics so thats cool.

I keep coming back to a similar thought.

This situation feels like a powder keg and I'm not optimistic. On the other hand, the people shrieking the loudest are the Trump-deranged freaks who have been wrong, hysterical, or deceptive about Trump since he rode down the escalator. I don't see why I should read them as any more credible on this than they were on everything else.

I really don't care what Democrats have to say on this topic because I don't trust them to be measured or honest. Show me the thoughful critiques from people who voted for and supported Trump.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

How is he going from 10USD cost to 40-50USD cost? Material on the ship comes in, gets whacked with an extra 50% (at the high end) If he's making it in the US, it should be tarrifed once at my logic, The margins on a percent level shouldn't meaningfully, so he is either 1) making a bunch of the clothes out of the country despite the American Made talk, or 2) he is planning on price gouging hard and realizing his customers are too financially illiterate to see whats happening.

Even a 100% tariff on all raw materials wouldn't add up to a 4-5x price increase unless you are passing things across the border multiple times.

Maybe they're front loading any additional tariffs in their prices for retailers. it's now 20% for japan, 25% for canada, 26% for india and those could go up later while the contract is signed. Or they're using a percentage profit margin model instead of a flat rate.

That's just the base tariff, if you're importing certain items under the HTS coding, say CNC machines from China it becomes a base of 54% base 20+34% (which the latter isn't listed on the HTS chart yet), + 4.2% general rate (8459.61.00) for specific HTS code, + 25% as ordered under 9903.88.01 (also recent, so I add that there) for a grand whoopin total of 83.2% tariff.


Let us say I want to start a sweatshop hiring wetbacks to make clothing in the US (only the assembly step, assume that the entire chain was outsourced as most were).
1) Machinery for weaving - 74% tariff, HTS 8444
2) Lubricating oil for treating the textiles as 54%+3.7%+20%=77.7 HTS 3403
3) cotton textiles for example from China would be 54% + 5.3% + 20% = 79.3% HTS 3921.12.19
4) Buttons would be which is 0.3 cents per roll + 54% + 4.6% +20%= > 78.6% HTS 9606.21

my dumbass figured the hts website. https://hts.usitc.gov/ search the code numbers or queries here.

 

[Sportsball]

the people shrieking the loudest are the Trump-deranged freaks who have been wrong, hysterical, or deceptive about Trump since he rode down the escalator. I don't see why I should read them as any more credible on this than they were on everything else.

I remember Kamala wanting to tax unrealized capital gains which would have crashed the markets harder than the current selloff.

And yeah, the same people who wanted me shut out of society for refusing an experimental injection are crying about fascism and stock prices. I'll take some temporary pain just to watch libtards, chinks and pajeets seethe.

 

[Nol 2]

-Snip-

Yea, still not making sense. You're mixing raw materials + finshed goods (buttons and whatnot) + capital expenses all together, which makes no functional sense.

Raw matl (cloth, buttons, thread) will be used on a 1:1 basis, this is where the tariffs are going to hurt the most
Oil treatment will be split across a number of orders
And machinery will be split over years worth of garments. And this is doubly dumb, because if you are complaining about prices going up for stuff you are making in house, you already have the equipment.

I wasn't talking about Walmart Jeans, I was talking about that specific video from a guy who is making stuff in the US.

But even Walmart jeans, you would have to do some very creative accounting to turn a 80+% tariff on stuff coming out of the country into a 400% price jump. All of the stuff you listed would have gone into the price before, these aren't new expenses and requirements.

Maybe they're front loading any additional tariffs in their prices for retailers. it's now 20% for japan, 25% for canada, 26% for india and those could go up later while the contract is signed. Or they're using a percentage profit margin model instead of a flat rate.

Why would a manufacturer front load costs for what a retailer is charging? Furthermore, if you are supplying a big retailer, you are most likely have a massive contract that sets out what exactly you are supplying, in what quantity, at what price

 

[Kier Starmer]

Well, Trump won somewhat. Kier Starmer faggot extrandionare is tomorrow going to declare globalism dead. This guy is a WEF puppet.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Why would a manufacturer front load costs for what a retailer is charging? Furthermore, if you are supplying a big retailer, you are most likely have a massive contract that sets out what exactly you are supplying, in what quantity, at what price

the nip can't figure out the prices for the fall winter line sold to the retailer because the materials costs are fluctuating: Canada had initial tariffs which were rescinded but are back on the menu. so hes charging a big cost now to account for possible tariff increases before signing with the retailer.

 

[Doctor Professor Timon]

Are you sure they aren't A&N posters? Blaming niggers and the EPA is what Trump fans do.

I blame niggers and the EPA because it's usually niggers and the EPA.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I blame niggers and the EPA because it's usually niggers and the EPA.

Are you sure you're not a Chinese Party member?