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whotfsaidthat said:
i did some research about the history of the US and when it all went downhill. now im not saying that is exactly this, but i think most people agree something bad happened in the 70s or 80s. after further research the most prominent thing seems to be that the US changed its whole economic strategy around that time
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Oh so you didn’t see the part where Nixon took Kissinger’s advice and opened our market to what was a backwards agricultural China?

We did that to fuck with the Soviet Union, but we lost our manufacturing and accelerated it in the 90’s when China was admitted to the WTO
 
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i generally stay out of politics stuff since it doesnt concern my country afaik. im also not a US citizen. due to the re-election of trump i did some research about the history of the US and when it all went downhill. now im not saying that is exactly this, but i think most people agree something bad happened in the 70s or 80s. after further research the most prominent thing seems to be that the US changed its whole economic strategy around that time

they apparently started cutting taxes a lot, especially for rich people and corporations. from what i found, the top income tax rate was like 70 percent in 1980 and by the end of the 80s it was down to 28 percent. same deal with corporate taxes. the idea was called trickle down economics which is basically the theory that if rich people and businesses keep more money, they will invest more and it will help everyone. but from what i can tell, that just led to more wealth for the top and not much improvement for the average person

there was also a big push for deregulation. they removed a lot of rules from industries like banking, airlines, and telecom. it was supposed to make things more competitive and efficient, but it kinda looks like it just led to monopolies and long term instability. some people even say this contributed to the 2008 crash

another thing was the decline of labor unions. reagan fired a bunch of air traffic controllers in 1981 who were striking, and that was apparently a big turning point. after that union membership dropped hard and wages stayed pretty flat for a lot of workers while executive pay kept rising

on top of that, there were cuts to social programs. stuff like public housing and welfare support got reduced and more responsibility was shifted to private companies and markets. maybe that worked for some people but it seems like it left a lot of others behind

nowadays you have extreme income inequality, jobs with no security, massive student debt, healthcare scams, and a housing market that is cooked beyond belief. most of it seems to trace back to those free market policies that got locked in during the 80s. and it wasnt just republicans doing it. both parties kept pushing the same general direction. clinton carried the torch, obama did not really undo much, and biden is barely different. it feels like the whole system just kept drifting further in the same direction no matter who was in charge

i could be wrong on some of this, its not really my area and again im not from the US. but if youre looking for when things started getting worse for the american middle class and working class, this era keeps coming up. seems like a lot of decisions made back then had long term consequences that are still felt today

anyone who actually lived through that time or knows more about it, feel free to correct me or add context. just trying to understand the bigger picture here
 
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ChefKiss said:
Either: A: None of you retards are capable of looking back at previous stock performance, in which case nobody should take you seriously
or B: You know they dipped much lower but are just being dishonest
Which is it?
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I think they are more young investors/traders that just don't have the experience. It took two "crashes" to learn to harden my skin and make my own informed opinion. They probably just started investing during a bull market and it is babies first bear market. Bear markets are scary but when ya get close enough, they actually are big fuckin' discount store teddy bears.
 
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The real reason boomers are so selfish is because back then you could actually "follow your dreams" and do good for yourself. My dad paid his way through college doing something you couldn't dream of making money from doing nowadays. But it was his "dream" and it worked, and he did it till he died. So when the boomers kids aren't successful immediately out of high school and paying for both a degree and a house off of breeding and selling exotic guppies the boomer doesn't think that conditions have changed, he thinks his kids are just failures who don't deserve an inheritence. Or to paraphrase Sam Hyde "Your parents grew up in follow your dreams times, now it's Laotian immigrant times"
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
You could go to Bath, I’m sure the browns avoid it
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Bath is nice.
Jokes aside, I went there doing the tourist thing back in the day, because one of the tricks is if you're not really that concerned about specific particular ancient roman crap you can basically skip Italy, since there's perfectly good ancient roman crap basically everywhere.
they had a tourist thing of a working archeological site they gave tours of, and you could buy the piddly shit like the roman equivalent of a nickel as a souvenir
 
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whotfsaidthat said:
i generally stay out of politics stuff since it doesnt concern my country afaik.
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Retard, you can’t delete your old posts when you don’t like the replies. We’re an archive based platform

Well, you can edit out the text, but when you get replied to, that reply window keeps your OP so there’s still evidence of your forum sliding activity
 
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GoPro said:
It was a play on the southern landowners of that era who hated blacks but kept buying black slaves and breeding them.
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Except they didn’t hate them. That’s one of the most retarded parts of the race narrative today. They didn’t hate them anymore than you hate your horse or cow. “Oh I fucking hate those niggers so much, I’m going to import millions of them and breed them and breed with them and wage total war to keep them to myself.”
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
Retard, you can’t delete your old posts when you don’t like the replies. We’re an archive based platform

Well, you can edit out the text, but when you get replied to, that reply window keeps your OP so there’s still evidence of your forum sliding activity
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the post was up for like 5min and i deleted it because of spelling errors. its not like it was up for 2hours and people replied 🙄
 
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whotfsaidthat said:
the post was up for like 5min and i deleted it because of spelling errors. its not like it was up for 2hours and people replied 🙄
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1: I replied that what happened was Nixon opened trade with China

2: I don’t believe that anyone could “do research” and not see that discussed since it’s pretty fucking well known and understood. What you listed in your manifesto amounted to “economy is a social construct” so I assume you’re a bad faith actor
 
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whotfsaidthat said:
i could be wrong on some of this, its not really my area and again im not from the US. but if youre looking for when things started getting worse for the american middle class and working class, this era keeps coming up. seems like a lot of decisions made back then had long term consequences that are still felt today
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You are clearly finding mainstream/libtard sources on this, because anyone who claims the 70s were better than the 80s is either lying, or didn't live in either decade and is repeating lies. In recent years, libtards have begun rewriting the history of the Carter years to make it sound like a period when the middle class thrived and everything was great, when it was actually a period when inflation was so bad that nobody could get ahead if they weren't extremely well-connected, and America was on retreat everywhere in the world because of our incompetent, feckless leadership.

In the 1980s, we had a brief, sharp recession as the economy readjusted to significant structural changes imposed by Reagan and Volcker (who ironically didn't see eye to eye). At the time, the media shrieked and screamed that omg, some numbers went down, but the reality is you can't fix something as bad as the Carter economy painlessly, and afterward, we had about two decades of good times.

If it sounds like I'm just talking about now, but with different names, well, the 70s and the 2010s have a lot in common. In 25 years, libtard historians will be claiming 2020-2024 was the best America ever had it. In fact, they're already trying to claim this.
 
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Kuritan Deplorable said:
Lmao at all the stock seething. I own stocks, and I have lost nothing, because I Own The Stocks Still. Unless you were a seething retard who panic sold, all that's happened is some third party assessment of the dollar value of your stake has changed, but you still own the exact same amount of the company. If everything is down, that means everything was overinflated in that dollar value assessment.

If the companies I bought into are in fact not shit, and make it through this transitionary phase, it'll be just fine. The only ones to be actually afraid of are the ones who were hyperinflating their stock values with bullshit games, rather than via producing goods and services. Which admittedly, is pretty much all recent tech IPO's, but if you bought into Reddit thinking it was an economically productive asset, you were gonna get assfucked regardless of the cause. This way is just funnier.
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Lol at all the Timmies out there.
 
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