hoe_math / Justin Quirici / Justin Careesi - "HISTORY'S MANLIEST HILARIOUS SEX GENIUS", Makes autistic charts, kicked off the cunt carousel, Chubby Chaser, "discriminated" against for being a white male, wants the Bible to be rewritten, COVID RUINED HIS DREAM JOB!

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

hoe_math has set aside his misogyny for a moment to switch his ire over to fags and theater kids.

Much like whores, they too are to blame for the fall of Western civilization.

Edit: More hoe_math employment lore



He worked at a hospital after college from a nepotism hookup, possibly as a security guard.

 

[AMHOLIO]

hoe_math has set aside his misogyny for a moment to switch his ire over to fags and theater kids

I probably missed it, but has he ever talked about his own family bonds? And while I think all attention seekers, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, are a pain in the ass, is a guy who makes his living on Youtube/TikTok/Instagram really the best guy to throw stones here?

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I probably missed it, but has he ever talked about his own family bonds

There's a small blurb about his father in the OP

From 2023

- Father didn't teach him any of this stuff
- Father though understands how bad things are out there right now
- Father presumably alive and not estranged

Edit:

Just noticed that in this Apr 1st, 2025 clip with Rich Cooper, hoe_math mentions @ 2:02 that his cousin, father, and aunt live in Florida.

I did come across some stuff about his mother, but can't remember the specifics.

Something about his disdain for her being obsessed with True Crime and hoe_math making a tangential reference to Hybristophilia (women loving murderers).

Dec 30th, 2023 Laundry Wisdom Live 1h11m32sec
There is a question about hybristophilia (woman being attracted to murderers).
Something about the lizard part of every woman's brain liking violence
hoe_math mentions his mother loves True Crime
"She doesn't even know why she likes it."
"My mother is the most mentally disconnected person I've ever met"

He also mentioned that his mother gave him the Toyota Corolla he used to drive for Uber.

Rich Cooper - Apr 1st, 2025 57m30s

hoe_math mentions his 1st cross-country tour was in a hand-me-down 2007 Toyota Corolla.
If you watch his doodles, he uses non-verbal communication to indicate he drove it from his mother's place in New England across the country to San Francisco, CA. He drove it for 8k Uber rides until it died, so he couldn't drive it back.

And that he moved into his mother's empty rental apartment for awhile until Fall 2023 or so after he "moved across the country" after losing his dream job to COVID lockdowns.

Edit: Found the clip - Rich Cooper, Apr 1st, 2025, 4m30s

Here hoe_math talks about living in his mom's extra rental property when unemployed and going viral with his 1st cartoon Tiktok response vid with 4.3 million views in July 2023

He admits to being originally from New England, growing up in a white middle-class suburb. During the Oct 2023 Macken Murphy SexFight, hoe_math mentioned that he grew up in a Liberal household, but he isn't anymore. He similarly told Rich Cooper recently on Apr 1st that he doesn't identify as "conservative" either. He was raised Christian.

He complained on a stream recently that his parents wouldn't teach him the things that a child would naturally inquire about and instead insisted that "he will learn that from school and television".

Rich Cooper Apr 1st, 2025 39m50s
The context of this clip is that hoe_math was just complaining about the subversive emasculation of males portrayed as betas & morons in Western TV and commercials.
He compares fathers trying to impose discipline as "appearing Amish" compared to the fun and hedonism offered by liberated modern feminism. He laments that fathers no longer have any authority to guide the family. And that mothers can "take everything away from them & spoil the kids"
He then talks about his parents never teaching him anything he asked, declaring that was the job of "school & TV"
Watching the clip again, hoe_math seems to be obliquely intimating that he was a child of divorce, that his mother emasculated his father and broke up the family, that being a child of divorce caused him neglect.

It's not clear if his parents are still together, but they do seem to be living. Given his father lives in Florida and he moved to his mother's non-Florida extra rental home between 2022-2023, I doubt they are still married.

I've never heard him mention any siblings.

I've mentioned it a few times over my clips and posts to the thread, but I think it's very illustrative that he seemed to stream alone in his apartment on two consecutive Christmas Days in '23 & '24. With no evidence of celebrating the holiday with friends, family, SO, traveling, etc.

He used the excuse of recently moving into his latest secret apartment rental only a short time before in Dec '24 after having been vanlife-ing and couchsurfing for the last 4 months trying to decide on which state was the most beautiful and based-est.

But that doesn't explain how he found himself in the exact same situation on Christmas Day '23.

 

[The man The only man]

I don't know how this has been missed but I remember him having a Youtube vid about shared responsibilities and relationships and he did the crayon video with some girl he claimed to be dating (the girl liked baking from what I remember) and she did a short segment in the video.

I looked it up but it somehow didn't exist anymore, so I think he dated that girl and then scrubbed the vid.
My recollection of it:

• HM did an intro with his sketch book and then introduced the girl by showing her hands
• He talked about relationships or something (I don't remember the specifics)
• The girl talked about baking and how she does things, he does things and they live together
• He mentioned how the girl was "le red pilled" and how she was "realistic" while being in the relationship
• The girl gave off pick-me vibes
• That girl was further never shown in other vids (from what I recall)

I can't show any proof, this vid was before his major grifting, when he still was activily making drawings in the vid and showed that ancient attraction matrix, also before his weird levels of consciousness chart.

 

[snowdunes]

Thread summary:

Hoes mad in the thread, posting copes and trying to dawx him. Dude got most of the stuff right but makes shitty toddler doodles as his visual presentation. Convolutes points like a redditor on xitter. Kek, if you have to watch a dude doing kindergarten sketches while explaining pussy, it was already over for you.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I don't know how this has been missed but I remember him having a Youtube vid about shared responsibilities and relationships and he did the crayon video with some girl he claimed to be dating (the girl liked baking from what I remember) and she did a short segment in the video.

I think there may have been some passing references to the girl you are referring to in the OP & the thread.

I personally refer to her as Rich Zoomer Musician Girl because
- she was in her mid-20s when hoe_math was 39/40
- she drew his attention while slipping into his DMs
- she wrote a manifesto on reasons he should date her that impressed him
- she lived several hours away, so quickly moved in with him for a month or two
- her hand and the promise ring she made him wear appeared on stream several times
- in general, his livestream audience hated her
- she made him a fruit/cheese plate for him live on stream once
- she cooked and grocery shopped for him
- one of them got very sick once and required medical care, causing her stay at his shitty wilderness apartment to be prolonged
- one day he announced she had gone back home to live with her uber rich parents and they were on a break, but it ended up permanent
- he had a multitude of reasons;
- she couldn't handle his moodiness
- his apartment was unbelievably shitty and living together made friction.
- her parents had a mansion and her expectations for the living accommodations far exceeded what he could afford even with 6-9 months of YT wealth (she was unemployed)
- she was an aspiring singer? and she was pushing him to include her craft in his content. He felt her competence wasn't high enough, didn't think she practiced enough and didn't take it seriously. It makes more sense after his more recent Anime spergout, because he himself has as an amateur been honing his singing ability for decades.
- he had another anecdote about how she wanted him to dress better, but he's been broke his whole adult life and doesn't see value in clothes. They went shopping and she convinced him to buy a shirt he deemed too expensive when it turned out she didn't actually care for it either.

I haven't gone back to look for livestreams including her, but they would've been between Jan-June 2024. I've only reviewed and clipped livestreams as recent as Dec 31st, 2023, as I've been flipping between his debut and the present.

Unfortunately, I don’t think hoe_math backs up any of his streams on Rumble/Odysee/Bitchute.

It's possible some may still exist for paying members on Patreon.

Edit:

Found this clip from Christmas Day 2023.

Rich Zoomer Girl isn't in it, but he admits to flirting with female fans in his DMs a few months before she moves in.

"I showed her my face. She said I was "Underwear Model Hot".

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Thiel donated money for education and outreach, and some of that was used for the fanfiction, both for Yudkowsky and for a person paid to sit next to Yudkowsky and force him to keep cranking out unedited and poorly written dialogue

You don't find anything weird with a guy in his 30s making Harry Potter fan fiction?

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I looked it up but it somehow didn't exist anymore, so I think he dated that girl and then scrubbed the vid.

This is a screenshot from his live from March 5th, 2024.

The silver ring on his left 4th finger was the promise ring he wore on air for awhile when he was living with Rich Zoomer Musician Girl.

I skimmed some of the Lives from the time, but couldn't find a snapshot of them holding hands on screen.

Most of the Lives seemed to still be up, so there's a decent chance her giggle and hand are in there somewhere.

 

[California Newt]

Kek, if you have to watch a dude doing kindergarten sketches while explaining pussy, it was already over for you.

 

[spitzoid]

Funniest thing about hoe math is the fact that he rags on women all while having built his "brand" by doing the most female autist coded thing ever. Creating overly elaborate notes using stationery which was purchased in every color so as to have the complete set, something I've only seen women do. Appropriating a female hobby for personal gain, peak tranny behavior smh

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I watched the second half/hour of hoe_math on Fresh&Fit's After Hours panel segment from Apr 2nd, 2025.

It mostly devolved into bickering between Myron Gaines and the two most talkative women on the panel. I didn't find anything else clip-worthy. hoe_math talked a lot less in the second hour and ended up leaving early with about 30 mins left in the show.

Here are some of my notes from the second hour.

Spoiler: F&F After Hours Panel, Second Half Notes

hoe_math - [If men are simping and women are attention-whoring due to social media] Who's responsibility is it to stop? How do you stop it?
Naomi from Detroit - "Men. Men. Men."
"A man will have 4 bitches fighting over him. A bum can always go couch-to-couch because a woman will always let him in?"
hm - "All men have 4 women chasing them? Surely it's only the top few"
Naomi - "Women can go without it [sex}. Men will be stressed out without."
"Men will put $20 on her OF, she will bust it open for him."
hm - "So now it's $20? Alright, alright, alright [after tons of nigress ranting], I think I understand."
hm - "I agree it's men's responsibility to stop simping, isn't it women's responsibility to stop getting the ick?"
Naomi - "If men stop looking at women, women will stop seeking attention."
"These mamas be crazy these days. Not my Mama. But these other mamas be like "My daughter's a bad bitch"."
hm - If women weren't like that though (attention-seeking), then men wouldn't have to simp. It's a vicious cycle.
"Is it true that men can actually stop [the cycle] by [simply] making a decision [not to simp]?"
Naomi - Still men's fault for validating attention. If they rewarded behavior in modest women, women would follow.
"Women just hip to the trend"
"No man in the history of niggerdom has wifed a nigga with a BBL (Brazilian Butt Lift)."
Women vs girls - Girls - don't have standards re: male bad boy behavior
Women - "Big women" - not as accepting of bad behavior, such as Naomi's husband at the stripclub, violence, crime
"I will wait 6 years single if I have to."
Virginia Beach to Naomi - Do you think you contributed to the cheating?
Naomi - "Yes, when we met, I didn't understand he wanted a Mom, not a wife"
Had to do all the chores, he didn't lend a hand when she became overwhelmed and stressed, "Didn't pick me up"
hm - "Sounds like it's not a male/female, it's the personal choices of society"
Superchat segment
To Toronto aesthetician - "Of course she's from TO, she's Indian"
This causes Toronto aesthetician to remove headphones, walk off show an hour early
Myron Gaines - ''Alcohol is the devil. Weed and alcohol are for losers."
"Women are dumb. Thank God they aren't in power"
Naomi - "I used to date a millionaire. Now I don't."
MG - "Who is scarcer? Millionaires or hoes?"
MG - Calls all women on panel ruined, delusional by social media
Calls Blonde Texan Reality Star "Solipsistic", because she's dating a fellow actor Reality TV star, has raised her bar so high, will never be able to date outside her industry now
"Women's standards increase with age, they never go backwards"
Women are chronic gamblers, they will trade their safe & boring husband for even the possibility of something better
Q to hoe_math from F&F - ?Advice for Savannah Miller, Reality TV Star dating in her industry?
hm - "Be very clear what you want, how it is affecting you."
"Be honest with yourself about that, if you are only in the relationship because it feels good. It does real damage."
Makes analogy to reusing tape, tape gets less sticky everytime.
"Be careful with yourself."
MG - Women in entertainment are cooked. They are chronically unsatisfied in 99% of cases. Men they actually want always have other options, will simply get a new 21 year old like Leo if needed.
"hoe_math is too nice"
Virginia Beach - "Too many people are dating people that don't like them back."
"There's women in all these jobs out here [LA and FL] where they'll fire you in an instant. Why not work for your man?"
hm to Savannah Reality TV Star - "Just be aware you're putting your pairbonding ability in a piranha pit in that industry"
MG - Doesn't think women should vote or work, only stay home with the children
"Women are retards politically, only vote for who will allow abortions."
Denver Latina Alpha Widow - "Men are a lot more feminized these days because women ask for it" (in context of the expectation of a 50/50 contribution to household finances)
MG - "Women want chivalry, but also not to be told what to do"
"Women aren't attracted to egalitarianism"
"TBH, there's nothing women can do that men can't other than have children."
"Women aren't good at anything, the world is built by men"
hm - "It's true that men built everything"
"Though women are great at graphic design"
Thinks universal suffrage was a mistake, advocates for a return to a voting system limited to biological fathers with families who own property.
"The ones who actually care about how society functions do the voting."
"When everyone votes for their own personal interest, everything falls apart and no one is protected."
MG - "I don't have women. I hate stupidity." Social media has made women stupid.
Listener Q for hoe_math - Does body count matter for men and their souls?
hm "It does, but it kicks in later"
Sex and pairbonding is related to the release of the Oxytocin hormone in women. Men are less affected, better at compartmentalizing the two.
Listener Q - Will there ever be a female Elon Musk?
MG - "No, women don't create or innovate. Almost all inventions were made by men. Men do everything better."
MG - Marriage is a female thing. "You dream of being in a white dress led down the aisle, given away by your father."
Men care about making money and having as much sex with as many women as possible.
"We as men don't really care about women's opinions, what you think"
Naomi - "Your mom should've hit you a few more times in the head"
MG - Is okay with his future daughter being submissive to a good man, fine with him having multiple wives.
hoe_math final words for the panel
"Thanks for the confirmation. Everything is going as planned. Good Luck."

"These mamas be crazy these days. Not my Mama. But these other mamas be like "My daughter's a bad bitch"."
"No man in the history of niggerdom has wifed a nigga with a BBL (Brazilian Butt Lift)."
Myron Gaines - ''Alcohol is the devil. Weed and alcohol are for losers."
"I used to date a millionaire. Now I don't."
"Women's standards increase with age, they never go backwards"
"There's women in all these jobs out here [LA and FL] where they'll fire you in an instant. Why not work for your man?"
"Just be aware you're putting your pairbonding ability in a piranha pit in that industry"
"Women want chivalry, but also not to be told what to do"
"Women aren't attracted to egalitarianism"
"TBH, there's nothing women can do that men can't other than have children."
hm - "It's true that men built everything"
"Though women are great at graphic design"
Will there ever be a female Elon Musk?
Marriage is a female thing.
"Your mom should've hit you a few more times in the head"
hoe_math final words for the panel
"Thanks for the confirmation. Everything is going as planned. Good Luck."

 

[Inside your walls]

Twitter sheninigans

Crossover with Pearl "I think 16 year old girls re hotter than 26 year old women" Davis

"Why should I try when I'm gonna get cucked by Tyrone anyways??"



Self-felting himself and other men by saying men are useless
unless they get free coochie that motivates them to do things

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

I gotta admit that hoe_math is correct about a lot and he can come up with his own talking points rather than mindlessly regurgitate ones that he cons00med elsewhere, but he falls into the cardinal trap that many 'overly cerebral people' do, which is seethe and sperg about it to a very frequent extent.

He could probably outdebate his detractors in this thread but he'd come up with cumbersome walls of text or long videos of multicolorful scribbled notes that would get him dabbed on by dang dirty trolls. Being THAT aspergian is generally repellent to womyn in and of itself, which is a trap that people with his kind of brain ought to be very careful of.

 

[Dead Lion]

This is like historical materialism but instead of greed it’s lust WTF.

Historical biological determinism?!

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I remember him having a Youtube vid about shared responsibilities and relationships and he did the crayon video with some girl he claimed to be dating

Jan 10th, 2024 Live, 14m24s

I am single. I am talking to someone right now, but will not be in a relationship. I like this person very much. But she and I are not destined to, ya know, happily ever after, for reasons. I am crazy about her. But I think it is going to be a fling. I think it will be short term. Which is sad because I like her a lot.

This is before Zoomer Girl moved in and was introduced in person on his Lives.

No specific confirmation that it is her being referenced in this clip, but the timeline fits.

The way he is talking about this "only being a fling" sounds like they may have already met in person and been physical by this point.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Did Zoomer Girl ever actually show her face? I can't remember if I'm confusing her for someone else but I vaguely recall thinking "wow, hoe_math's girlfriend is kinda fugly" at one point.

Also Hoey is wrong that high IQ women can't be happy with lower IQ men. It's actually not that uncommon to have a wife who is slightly smarter than her husband. Her husband is usually capable in other ways. To paraphrase Dom Mazetti, "women want a man who they can look up to and talk down to".

Twitter sheninigans

Crossover with Pearl "I think 16 year old girls re hotter than 26 year old women" Davis
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Hoey makes the same mistake every other manwhore/general whore does which is thinking that all intimate relations are built exclusively on sexual attraction and once that's gone, so is the relationship. No, not really. Sexual attraction is there to kick-start the process but humans have built-in bonding mechanisms that take over afterwards. It's why you have the old Olympic athlete fond of his frumpy wife or the hot dancer girl who is genuinely attached to her fat nerd boyfriend and won't ditch him no matter how many "Chads" throw themselves at her unless her boyfriend wrecks the relationship himself.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Did Zoomer Girl ever actually show her face?

Not aware of a facedox for either hoe or Zoomer Girl.

I came across a clip of hoe_math facetiously suggesting last Jan '24 that he would set up a GFM to raise 2 million in "fuck you money" and have his audience "commit" to do his reveal.

Jan 10th, 2024 Live, 1m40s

In terms of ZG
- there was at least one Live where she sat in the same room with him off-camera & her giggles could be heard off-screen throughout
- there was one Live where she placed her hand on his with his Promise ring (or vice versa) on camera
- there was a Live where she brought him a food plate midstream, with the food plate visible on screen
- I believe there was a Live where she sat with him for a portion and contributed to answering questions. It may have been the same episode as the handholding one.
- hoe_math at the time talked about incorporating her into his content, having her give the "female perspective", potentially having her make her own content to spin-off his. This is likely what @The man The only man remembers. I personally don't recall her actually making it into his scripted content, but would have no problem believing she did. They went from zero to 100 on air overnight.
- Both his chat and the replay crew YT comments FUCKING HATED ZG to the core. I personally think it was simply pure jealousy (and probably some defensiveness about their King of the Incels cartoonist meeting a golddigger or finally being happy or fulfilled). Crabs in the bucket mentality that they deep down don't want their Folkhero Sex Cartoonist to be happy in a relationship if they can't be either. Rather than any negative traits that ZG herself actually possessed to make her the target for such ire.

Also Hoey is wrong that high IQ women can't be happy with lower IQ men.

Jan 10th, '24 Live, about 15mins in

The entire sound bite about high IQ women & dumb dudes, not that it adds much.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I probably missed it, but has he ever talked about his own family bonds?

In further follow-up to his family bonds, came across this clip from last year where his aunt told him she doesn't want her sons to have grandkids because of the state of the world.

Jan 10th, 2024 Live, 33m15s

They will do nothing but suffer. The world is that bad.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

this vid was before his major grifting,

this thread should disabuse itself of the notion that hoemath is a grifter. His potential lays in the fact that he is, in fact, sincerely vexxed by the things he talks about - which is why he spends so much time arguing with people on Twitter.

 

[Dead Lion]

this thread should disabuse itself of the notion that hoemath is a grifter. His potential lays in the fact that he is, in fact, sincerely vexxed by the things he talks about - which is why he spends so much time arguing with people on Twitter.

On the other hand he moved very quickly to monetise his ventures with shit like a book and that AI thingy.

Never under any circumstances trust a word that comes out of a psych major’s mouth they are trained manipulators.