Argue with a Jew and an Anti-Jew about sandwitches, morality, and judaism.

[Otterly]

It's essentially identical to the Christian position you said.

It’s not though. No man knoweth the hour is not the same as a hard limit, or breeding perfect red cows, or bulldozing the dome of the rock.
You can’t force god to act. If he can be forced, he isn’t god.

 

[Bonesjones]

Do you think there’s an issue here with the speeding up? Christianity is very much ‘Jesus coming back one day no idea when, best behaviour !’

So the moral religion pushes self accountability.

It’s loopholery anyway, which is something j find very offputting about Judaism. this idea that of you just do the right bit of trickery you can get around it, or make god do it faster. It just doesn’t sit right with as a concept, it feels dishonest and grubby.

Wait till you see that an immoral religion invented by people who are dishonest and grubby is also dishonest and grubby.

definition of a sandwich: an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.

I proved that definition was wrong. So you are a retard. What next cutting a slice of bread only partially to insert ingredients isn't a sandwich any more, why did no one sue Subway yet? Wait why are we asking you. Shouldn't you be quoting the Talmud at me? What does Jewish law say about sandwiches?

your arguing for a schnitzel/parm being a sandwich rests on the fact that it's a breaded cutlet but by definition the cutlet would have more than two pieces of bread as each crumb is its own separate piece of bread. It would be a sandwich with hundreds of pieces of bread which defies the definition of sandwich.

So if I cut a sandwich in half it's not a sandwich any more? Good talk.

I report all the rape and molestation that goes on. There have been no cases for me to report.

Except for the practice of oral circumcision which you don't think is child molestation so wrong again. Man the hits keep coming.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

It’s not though. No man knoweth the hour is not the same as a hard limit, or breeding perfect red cows, or bulldozing the dome of the rock.

I meant in terms of the acting moral bit. The red cows/bulldozing the dome of the rock are mostly a Christian/Jewish collaboration project

So the moral religion pushes self accountability.

damn just like judaism

I proved that definition was wrong

how? you proved it by defying the definition. you're like a troon claiming that he's really a woman because he proved the definition of woman was wrong through his self identification

So if I cut a sandwich in half it's not a sandwich any more? Good talk.

irrelevant since you openly admit you're not adhering to the definition of a sandwich

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

to be fair he's right
not everything with bread and filling involved is a sandwich

fried chicken is not a sandwich, pie is not a sandwich, cake is not a sandwich

 

[Otterly]

meant in terms of the acting moral bit. The red cows/bulldozing the dome of the rock are mostly a Christian/Jewish collaboration project

And the forcing god bit? You can’t force an omnipotent being to do anything. If it can be bidden or forced or cornered like that it’s not god. God isn’t a machine where if you behave just right he dispenses goodies like a vending machine. It’s a very transactional view and one that doesn’t sit right with me.

 

[Bonesjones]

damn just like judaism

So when does that start? You've failed for 1600 years so far.

how? you proved it by defying the definition. you're like a troon claiming that he's really a woman because he proved the definition of woman was wrong through his self identification

You posted a definition and I proved that your own example fit it, and left out other sandwiches. You have no argument you just don't know how to shut up.

irrelevant since you openly admit you're not adhering to the definition of a sandwich

Guys I redefined words to fit my argument therefore I win. Except you didn't you are just a pedophile.

to be fair he's right
not everything with bread and filling involved is a sandwich

fried chicken is not a sandwich, pie is not a sandwich, cake is not a sandwich

By his definition they are. No matter how you stretch the limits of credulity. This is why jews are retards.

Also you never quoted Jewish law on sandwiches? You've got directions on how to suck a baby dick but not on proper sandwich making? Crazy stuff.

And the forcing god bit? You can’t force an omnipotent being to do anything. If it can be bidden or forced or cornered like that it’s not god. God isn’t a machine where if you behave just right he dispenses goodies like a vending machine. It’s a very transactional view and one that doesn’t sit right with me.

The Talmud explicitly states god only gets a vote in Jewish matters, they are hubris incarnate, literal children.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You posted a definition and I proved that your own example fit it, and left out other sandwiches. You have no argument you just don't know how to shut up.

my definition is the literal definition of sandwich from the dictionary. my example doesn't fit because it involves hundreds of pieces of bread instead of the two listed in the definition. troon logic.

And the forcing god bit? You can’t force an omnipotent being to do anything. If it can be bidden or forced or cornered like that it’s not god. God isn’t a machine where if you behave just right he dispenses goodies like a vending machine. It’s a very transactional view and one that doesn’t sit right with me.

To be fair, I gave you the quick and easy overview instead of the granular overview that shows internal disagreement. If he doesn't come by 6000 then it's our fault for miscalculating.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/76310/so-what-happens-to-judaism-if-moshiach-doesnt-come-by-the-year-6000

It would mean absolutely nothing. All it would mean is that we (living in what we think is year 6000) either miscounted or (those who wrote the medrash) misinterpreted what was going on. Many people have guessed when the mashiach would arrive and been wrong. Consider the division of the ages of the worls into two thousand year epochs in which the birth of Avraham (194, Yitzchak (204 or Yaakov (210 are considered the end of the first epoch. The dates in such calculations are only approximate.

All we can say is that when someone appears to have met the criteria for mashiach, then we would be willing to accept him. If he fails or dies, then admit that he wasn't and go on. Look at the trouble Shabtai Tzvi and his predecessors for the past several thousand years have caused.

Rambam does not set the time at 6000 years. He says Hashem will send Mashiach when He has determined to. We are guessing about 6000 years. Indeed consider the problem if it actually means 6001 (1 - 1000, 1001 - 2000, ... 5001 - 6000) and people get upset about mashiach not coming in 6000 Or indeed, consider the upset if people are off in when during the year. Chet Haeigel occurred because of a one day miscalculation.

Rambam Hilchos melachim 12:2 says

Regardless of the debate concerning these questions, neither the order of the occurrence of these events or their precise detail are among the fundamental principles of the faith. A person should not occupy himself with the Aggadot and homiletics concerning these and similar matters, nor should he consider them as essentials, for study of them will neither bring fear or love of God.
Similarly, one should not try to determine the appointed time for Mashiach's coming. Our Sages declared: 'May the spirits of those who attempt to determine the time of Mashiach's coming expire!' Rather, one should await and believe in the general conception of the matter as explained.

There is a quip that the prohibition did not stop the Rambam from speculating.

As it says When Will the Mashiach Come?

There is a wide variety of opinions on the subject of when the mashiach will come. Some of the Jews' greatest minds have cursed those who try to predict the time of the mashiach's coming, because errors in such predictions could cause people to lose faith in the messianic idea or in the Torah itself. This actually happened in the 17th century, when Shabbtai Tzvi claimed to be the mashiach; when Tzvi converted to Islam under threat of death, many Jews converted with him. Nevertheless, this "prohibition" has not stopped anybody from speculating about the time when the mashiach will come (including some who themselves spoke harshly of those who engaged in such vain efforts!).
Although some scholars believed that God has set aside a specific date for the coming of the mashiach, most authorities suggest that the conduct of mankind will determine the time of the mashiach's coming. In general, it is believed that the mashiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so evil), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good). For example, each of the following has been suggested as the time when the mashiach will come:

• when all Israel repent a single day
• when all Israel observe a single sabbath properly
• when all Israel observe two sabbaths in a row properly
• in a generation that is totally innocent, or totally guilty
• in a generation that loses hope
• in a generation where children are totally disrespectful towards their parents and elders (commonly thought to be "our generation", in every generation!)

 

[Bonesjones]

my definition is the literal definition of sandwich from the dictionary. my example doesn't fit because it involves hundreds of pieces of bread instead of the two listed in the definition. troon logic.

I keep noticing you keep leaving large parts out. Why are you so afraid of confronting what you fear the most? Is it a sandwich made from less than one slice of bread or more than two?



Better go down to Katz and tell them they aren't selling sandwiches.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Better go down to Katz and tell them they aren't selling sandwiches.

katz isnt kosher and i dont give a shit what they do

do you consider burritos sandwiches? isn't the point of a sandwich not to be totally enclosed? Is a pizza pocket a sandwich?

 

[Bonesjones]

katz isnt kosher and i dont give a shit what they do

do you consider burritos sandwiches? isn't the point of a sandwich not to be totally enclosed? Is a pizza pocket a sandwich?

Watch out, he's got big opinions on things he'll never experience. Normal jew things. You've really dug yourself a hole trying to prove a point and dont know how to quit. No matter how wrong you are.

Yes a burrito is an open faced sandwich, Yes sandwiches can be totally enclosed, Yes a pizza pocket is a calzone which is a sandwich. You might be astonished by my doctrine because you are a retard and have no thoughts of your own, only the opinions of what other pedophiles tell you to think.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Watch out, he's got big opinions on things he'll never experience. Normal jew things. You've really dug yourself a hole trying to prove a point and dont know how to quit. No matter how wrong you are.

Yes a burrito is an open faced sandwich, Yes sandwiches can be totally enclosed, Yes a pizza pocket is a calzone which is a sandwich. You might be astonished by my doctrine because you are a retard and have no thoughts of your own, only the opinions of what other pedophiles tell you to think.

FDA disagrees with you

The FDA definition of a sandwich, for regulatory purposes, is a closed-face sandwich, meaning a product with two slices of bread or a bun containing a filling, with the meat/poultry filling typically less than 50% of the product.



I'm ingredient neutral and a structure purist

 

[Bonesjones]

FDA disagrees with you

Why do I care what they think?

The FDA definition of a sandwich, for regulatory purposes, is a closed-face sandwich, meaning a product with two slices of bread or a bun containing a filling, with the meat/poultry filling typically less than 50% of the product.

So they define a sandwich as a subdefinition of a sandwich. Wow you proved me right, thanks again retard.

I'm ingredient neutral and a structure purist

No you are chaotic faggot and pedophile appologist.

 

[diroama]

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The worst thing about this chart is it calls sandwich fillings "toppings" wtf

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Wow you proved me right, thanks again retard.

>shit all over the definition of a sandwich to call a fried chicken cutlet a sandwich
>literal troon behavior

ok bonesjanes



is this a sandwich you troon faggot?

 

[Bonesjones]

>shit all over the definition of a sandwich to call a fried chicken cutlet a sandwich
>literal troon behavior

ok bonesjanes

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is this a sandwich you troon faggot?

Is it food covered in bread? It's by definition a sandwich.

Here's an easy one: is a guy who sucks on a baby's dick a pedophile? Yes or no. No dodging.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Is it food covered in bread? It's by definition a sandwich.

answer the question then, should be easy to say that fried chicken is a sandwich

 

[Bonesjones]

answer the question then, should be easy to say that fried chicken is a sandwich

I did you fuckng retard, nice dodge btw you nigger.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Down_(sandwich) hey look it's both a sandwich and not a sandwich at the same time. It's the Jewish definition of a sandwich!

Just like sucking baby dicks does make you a pedophile and also doesn't make you a pedophile. With jews you always lose.

Edit: I made a pb&j sandwich and tripped and accidently pressed the edges together. It's no longer a sandwich any more, what should I do?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I did you fuckng retard

>got you to admit that fried chicken is a sandwich

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Down_(sandwich) hey look it's both a sandwich and not a sandwich at the same time. It's the Jewish definition of a sandwich!

bread coating doesn't make a cutlet a slice of bread, you just put two cutlets together with cheese in the middle

 

[Bonesjones]

>got you to admit that fried chicken is a sandwich

i said it was you dumb fuck, you have zero theory of mind you absolute retard.

bread coating doesn't make a cutlet a slice of bread, you just put two cutlets together with cheese in the middle

So bread isn't bread, even when it's used to make a sandwich now? How deep does your retardation go?

I noticed you won't say sucking a baby's dick makes you a pedophile. Just more cowardly behavior from our resident super jew.

Also, I like how your new insult is to call me Jewish. Even jews know there's nothing worse than themselves.

 

[big pauper]

all of judaism is a messianic religion, every Orthodox sect believes that a messiah is coming. Doesn't matter if you're Hasidic, Litvak, Modern Orthodox, etc. There's a difference between a religion that believes a Messiah will come and a specific messianic movement, especially since you compared it against Sabbateans who were an actual movement that followed a false messiah.



because you can't tell the difference between people going "there will eventually be a messiah and this is how to act to speed up his arrival" and "there's a messiah, it's this guy here, and we need to do whatever he says." Sabatteans are people who followed Sabbatai Tzvi in his false claim to be the Messiah

Hasidic Judaism didnt start as a movement that proclaimed that anyone was messiah, Hasidic Judaism started as a movement to introduce more mysticism and Kabbalah to European Judaism. The question of a specific someone being the messiah never came up

perhaps this is something that isn't obvious to jews but its obvious to gentiles, or maybe its one of those dualities that jews refuse to collapse out of fear of discrimination, but the jews are a people in tarry. the messiah wont come. being perpetually in pursuit of an impossible standard is the very lifestyle of the jews, so this isnt some statement made in jest, it's ideologically and spiritually the path they've taken. the closest thing to a messiah was jesus and they refused him because he doesnt live up to their standards.

baal shem tov gave them a different path. he fundamentally changed how jews view themselves as a people, and started the ball rolling on the start of the zionist movement "there will eventually be a messiah and this is how to act to speed up his arrival" is not a neutral position, thats an extremely ideologically charged position that you don't even realize you've taken about the jewish question.

as for the sabbateans - they're a breakaway sect of extremists who rejected both answers and chose to pursue sabbati zevi's ideology of hedonistic spiritualism. the jews who talk about being gay as being indistinguishable from being a jew start to make a lot more sense when you look at it that way, don't they?