Are you lost needing femoid advice post here - For the poor bastard's who dare or are just curious

I am "Incel" (Involuntarily Celibate).
When I tell close friends about this irl, they become confused. "Elliot, even as a man I have to say you're very handsome and fairly jacked. How in the fuck don't you have a girlfriend if you're looking for one?"
I have no feasible answer outside of "Well all of that doesn't matter since I'm barely even 5'9." However, even in the absence of this info, women ghost, lead on, or simply don't interact or fail to hold conversations with me, in that they never respond.
Sure I get a fair few matches on Tinder or whatever, but I fail every single time.
I need a female with the opposite perspective to give me a rebuttal to my admittedly self-poisonous ideas, variants of which I have held since elementary school, in no small part due to "how not to sexually assault women by making vague compliments and go to jail training" being pounded into my head and to which I have found no better rebuttal than "Oh sweaty, just give it time, you'll find the right one." or "Oh just be authentic. Women are actually more perverted than you are but hide it." Or something.
My current position is this:
I can't just read the other person's mind to see what they would think about what I say, which renders me cautious and quiet. I cannot assess my own personality/"look at my self image" as it's not as if I have some sort of neural mirror/magic neuralink that lets me observe my own social personality as if it belonged to someone else. My words and actions are purely an output interface.
Therefore:
I am too socially fucked to find and befriend/"take" women, especially in an environment with such a poor ratio as my area. Therefore, I would be better off improving my attractiveness by wearing lifts and/or having Leg Lengthening surgery. A cautious and calculated cycle of steroids during PT/recovery would likely negate the "le never walk correctly again" or whatever.
My thought is that good facial looks and fitness are sort of like a hat, and in the absence of obvious obesity/ugliness, height and personality are sort of like clothes (data indicates that height = percieved personality).
I can't find other answers to this question except "torture yourself by sitting in various bars and clubs alone waiting for a girl your age to show up, they totally aren't only ever frequented by 30+ year olds!" or "Socialize more!" Which are useful on the surface but essentially meaningless in practice.
Anecdotally, I have several friends who are extremely tall (6'2-6'4), one is slightly below average looking and one is missing two front teeth and always disheveled/slavic. They both have an extremely easy time with women because they are both tall and social.
Can you explain this inconsistency between them and I? What variables do I change to improve? Or, how do I find insane autistic women so I can have the first person of the opposite sex I have related to in my entire life?
I'm very jaded but also very open. Srsly, I just need advice on how to not be like this anymore.
 
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have you considered homosexuality? It's way easier.
So is putting a gun in my mouth and killing myself, but that's only slightly less gay than fucking other men, so I'll have to keep being homosexual on the backburner just after that option.
 
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I'm very jaded but also very open. Srsly, I just need advice on how to not be like this anymore.
First of all, stop giving a shit about your height. Most women only care that the man they're with is taller than them, and frankly a lot of women who insist on only dating guys who are 6'+ don't actually know what 6' looks like unless they're also tall enough to be able to compare to themselves. This whole "women are only attracted to 6' Chads" narrative is only spewed by incels and vapid LA socialites who spend all of their time on social media. The reason your tall friends get women attracted to them is much more likely to do with their personalities and sociability than their height alone.

Personality and sociability are going to be the most important part of being attractive, and are more important than looks long term. Elliot Rodger did all of the things incels say you're supposed to do to attract women (wear expensive clothes, drive expensive cars, generally be well put together physically) but he was still an incel because he was a creepy self-conscious weirdo narcissist who made women feel uncomfortable.
 
Well all of that doesn't matter since I'm barely even 5'9
My husband is 5'9 in Norway where the actual average height is 6 foot . He wasn’t too picky and I am not a looker either . If you aren't picky there are plenty dumpy looking women who would date you. I even known men who are 5'6 dated much taller women but they never acted entiteled or like assholes .
fairly jacked
You need to post a picture to show how much jacked you are , just some body builder/ random picture that is approximate to your body

Sure I get a fair few matches on Tinder or whatever, but I fail every single time
It's you problem. There is no magic set of words that will make women like you when you are depressed / thinking low of women it shows in conversations and women can sniff that shit out miles away. Your profile lacking info is big red flag and they assume the worst . Treat women as humans and as you would a friend . I would recommend dating mixers to just talk with women so you stop viewing as something alien and scary .
 
My husband is 5'9 in Norway where the actual average height is 6 foot . He wasn’t too picky and I am not a looker either . If you aren't picky there are plenty dumpy looking women who would date you. I even known men who are 5'6 dated much taller women but they never acted entiteled or like assholes .

You need to post a picture to show how much jacked you are , just some body builder/ random picture that is approximate to your body


It's you problem. There is no magic set of words that will make women like you when you are depressed / thinking low of women it shows in conversations and women can sniff that shit out miles away. Your profile lacking info is big red flag and they assume the worst . Treat women as humans and as you would a friend . I would recommend dating mixers to just talk with women so you stop viewing as something alien and scary .
Yes, the problem is that women can sniff out that I'm an incel from miles away, every time I decide to be open minded and attempt to open up to them they get the "ick" and find a different, taller chadlite. I'm in a vague, niche hell.

This is redacted enough I think. Ebil narcissistic mirror physique post.

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Oh but it doesn't matter because they'll sniff out that I didn't socialize well in middle school. Fuckin a right I'm in a catch 22, and now I'm the reddit asshole (YTA PATHETIC INCEL) for it, and nothing is useful.

How old are you? How old do you think I am? I cannot find IRL dating events without "50+" or "40+" attached to it anywhere. I am in my early 20s. Joever...
 
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