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[NotYourAverageNigga]

This journey made possible by cars, and not cargo bikes.

If you ever find yourself having cargo bikes as an option, why not just go train hopping instead?

You'll also be appreciating the fellow people of poverty and "superior" method of transport, SIMULTANEOUSLY.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

But I thought bikes were immune from induced demand.

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So what the hell is a lime bike? They're apparently an e-bike/scooter/moped company that's actually based in America, San Fran specifically.

According to Wikipedia they've been a problem in London specifically for 3 years now.

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Disposable little vehicles like this have been a plauge on bughives like Austin and Cali for a couple years now,some of them have battieries or other components so when the local joggers get to then they're scrapped or just used for impromptu enlightened art projects that provide allegories for poverty (aka, crime and mindless destruction)

 

[Xarpho's Return]

He does kind of have a point with the dark stores...but Walmart is definitely not the only chain that does that sort of thing (supermarkets are far more notorious) and even then, a big problem as to why vacant Walmart stores sit for so long is that it's difficult to find a tenant to fill the space. There was a Walmart store in Paris (Texas) that moved out in 1987 but within five years got filled in Sears (both were smaller locations of their chains obviously), which lasted up until the late 2010s. Speaking of Sears, the broader problem with them and Walmart is there's just not enough retailers in the country to fill 100,000 square feet (or more) of retail space. (A few "farm and fleet" stores in the Midwest are that large but that's a special case). Sometimes you can split the space but that also requires reconfiguration of the loading docks and other changes, and in most cases it's just more economical to tear it down and start from scratch. If you want a vacant Wal-Mart to become "smaller shops", you either have reinvented the mall...or a flea market.

Plus, these days, if a Walmart closes permanently, there's a reason for it. Most of the time it's high crime/shoplifting. The specific example he gave in Oriental, NC, (seems he picked this one because of an easy article to be found on it) was the demise of the "Walmart Express" stores, basically stores that were slightly larger than Dollar General (which there was nearby) and meant to compete with them and Walmart killed the whole chain. The old grocery store was hardly a grocery store at less than 10,000 square feet, and neglects to mention that Piggly Wiggly quickly reopened the store within seven months. (In the meantime, the nearest Walmart/grocery store was 20 minutes away, which isn't a deal-breaker--the residents probably went to that town regularly). Optimistically, if Walmart was never there the old crappy store would've remained open; now they have a shiny new Piggly Wiggly.

The thing about smiling and corporate chants is taken from this article which may or may not be 100% bullshit. We've all seen the humiliating "We Are Walmart" chant video but I doubt that it's in every store, nor would be translated over to Germany...and of course since Jason parroted the same lines he didn't give any thought to other reasons other reasons why it failed...basically trying to rebrand and remerchandise an established brand is where companies often run into trouble.

Besides the fact that Wertkauf's previous owner, Hugo Mann ran an American discount store, FedMart, into the ground himself, Jason failed to realize that while talking about Walmart's failure in Germany was due to culture clash, and that what works in one country doesn't always work in another.

At the same time, he advocates for European design and transportation to be forced onto the United States, unaware of he's guilty of the same thing he criticizes Walmart for.

Oh Jason, Jason my son... do not ask questions like that to me.

I wouldn't even consider myself that hateful. I'm trying to think of "what do I hate so much that should be abolished" but every example I can think of is that it should be suppressed, discouraged, or defunded. Of course this will create a lot of unhappy people, but no one's going to be sent to the gas chambers.

 

[DavidS877]

He does kind of have a point with the dark stores...but Walmart is definitely not the only chain that does that sort of thing (supermarkets are far more notorious) and even then, a big problem as to why vacant Walmart stores sit for so long is that it's difficult to find a tenant to fill the space.

A town I know of had a Kmart(remember them) and then WalMart went in next door. The Kmart closed in 2017. It's been vacant since. There's just nowhere near the need in that area for a second large store, or any interest in breaking it up since it's right next to a strip mall already.

 

[Vonel]

You missed that as of May 2024, most of Culdesac is an empty lot:
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They haven't built the rest of the complex.

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You vs the desert urbanist ""community"" she tells you not to worry about​

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Spoiler: Paseo Definition, because Español is exótica and walkway is too yt sounding I guess

paseo​

[ pah-sey-oh; Spanish pah-se-aw ]
Phonetic (Standard)IPA

noun​

plural paseos

1. (especially in Spanish-speaking countries)
   1. a slow, idle, or leisurely walk or stroll.
   2. a public place or path designed for walking; promenade.
   3. a usually tree-lined thoroughfare; avenue.

This is their site I pulled the map from. It has some interesting designs for future developments in Utah, California, Tennesee, and Georgia. Although, I'm not holding my breath for these to get past the planning stage.

Half finished bugman walled cities, coming to a place near you!!!​

Another funny thing I ran across while looking this up.

it's so over...

 

[Atypical Dog]

If you ever find yourself having cargo bikes as an option, why not just go train hopping instead?
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You'll also be appreciating the fellow people of poverty and "superior" method of transport, SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Forgive me my urbanist master, but systemic oppression and carbrain infrastructure has resulted in that greatest of travesties.

There are no tracks. Lobbying has so far proven ineffective due to government corruption, political will, and 10+ million people crammed in at something insane like 21,000 people/sq. km all demanding their right of way payments. The country is benighted and regressive, and we look in jealousy to our East Asian and European superiors (the US is too controversial rn but it's still our big daddy)

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is their site I pulled the map from. It has some interesting designs for future developments in Utah, California, Tennesee, and Georgia. Although, I'm not holding my breath for these to get past the planning stage.

Half finished bugman walled cities, coming to a place near you!!!​

Probably would've been better to actually flip the image so it lined up with the plan, but whatever. Still, the other problem is how poorly it's designed. The appeal is the light rail station and the commercial development, both of which are on the opposite side of the complex; you'll end up walking twice as far, which is going to be drudgery in the hot Arizona if you have anything more than a small bag of non-perishable groceries (imagine trying to move in or out). I don't think that they'll have units on the east side be less expensive than the ones on the west side. You of course get into the fundamental problem of apartments and why you can't just build apartments until "everyone has a home"; you have to build and sell apartments for a profit.

Construction stalling out is what I suspected as to why they had the "microretailers", despite the housing crisis no one is banging down the doors to get into Culdesac.

A town I know of had a Kmart(remember them) and then WalMart went in next door. The Kmart closed in 2017. It's been vacant since. There's just nowhere near the need in that area for a second large store, or any interest in breaking it up since it's right next to a strip mall already.

Right, and even when Wal-Mart was closing down its older stores to move into Supercenter locations, Kmart was already getting strapped for cash already. Their cash flow issues by the 1990s was why they had to sell off their non-core businesses (including Borders, OfficeMax, and a few others) and were slower to open Supercenter locations. Target meanwhile had their own markets that they wanted to pursue, and no equivalent retailer wanted Wal-Mart's sloppy seconds anyway.

But talking about what Wal-Mart does and doesn't do is kind of irrelevant since 99% of Jason's videos is making shit up and parroting some article he read which, even in truth, requires context. When a store claims they "aren't making a profit" in a location, 75% of the time that means that it's getting shoplifted to death and if they have any costly programs (deli, etc.) they're turning losses, 15% of the time it's because they got destroyed by a competitor or just a bad location (not criminals, just poor--or located in a weird, out of the way spot), and 5% of the time it's something else (like the whole format is unprofitable). When a store closes from shoplifting, they'll almost never say so. I read an article from around 1980 of a Sears closing one of their department stores in a particularly rough, economically depressed part of Houston, and the spokesperson said that the store was just "obsolete" (nevermind that there were older stores elsewhere) and "would've loved to stay". It's like people know corporations can't be trusted but then will just believe them when they deny shoplifting cases.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I was kind of lazy with my review of his latest video. He's just getting so boring and predictable. He's a rage channel now, not an analytical one. Also, he no longer visits the places he's talking about, so his videos are now nothing but stock footage that's not worth taking screenshots of.

No reason to put in more effort into your review than he did into his video.

Also I feel like he's always been a rage channel. If I wanted actual analysis, I would go to Road Guy Rob 10 times out of 10.

But I thought bikes were immune from induced demand.

They're not immune when it's a good thing. They will say bike lanes should be built because people will start magically riding them due to induced demand and that's a good thing, ackshually. But the bike lanes getting jammed full of bikes? That won't ever happen, that's the bad kind of induced demand that, for whatever reason, doesn't apply to bikes.

The "induced demand" idea is one of those things urbanists don't apply consistently, ever. It's completely incoherent and is the worst way to think about demand. It's only a weapon to rally for abolishing cars.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

They're not immune when it's a good thing. They will say bike lanes should be built because people will start magically riding them due to induced demand and that's a good thing, ackshually. But the bike lanes getting jammed full of bikes? That won't ever happen, that's the bad kind of induced demand that, for whatever reason, doesn't apply to bikes.

They'll often throw out surveys from people about how they want more bike lanes or are intimidated by existing bike lanes, failing to realize several things.
1. Normies want stuff like bike lanes in parks, not at the expense of roadways.
2. Normies don't really know what they want or what they'll actually use. It's not like cyclists will use it more, the excuses that cyclists and would-be cyclists have for not using bike lanes is endless and they cannot be appeased.

It would be like if employees were polled what they wanted and "more vacation days" was listed and instead of determining what was actually viable or giving what they wanted (paid time off), the "response" was to just cut hours.

 

[quaawaa]

In Jason's firetruck video, he whines about a bike lane that was "removed" because of firetrucks.

That bike lane still exists:

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Potomac Street, Baltimore, MD, which according to Jason doesn't have a bike lane:

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Esther Street, Peekskill, NY, which according to Jason is open to traffic:

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OP also points out that Jason's sources cite themselves:


Can't believe I missed this when I reviewed his video.

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Bonus: driving while high is safe:

 

[quaawaa]

StreetsBlog, which is run by an urbanist NGO, realized that only White neighborhoods count as walkable to their fellow urbanists:

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[Return of the Freaker]

StreetsBlog, which is run by an urbanist NGO, realized that only White neighborhoods count as walkable to their fellow urbanists:

They always get so close

 

[Lovely Kin]

only White neighborhoods count as walkable to their fellow urbanists

I wonder why someone would only want to walk in a white neighborhood. Couldn't be the lack of crime

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I wonder how much time will it take in Europe before they put concrete blocks near bus stations to prevent the people there from being run over by diversity.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Did they tried just once what they push for? Sure taking your bike to go buy few stuffs at your local market is easy, but even with an eletrical bike if the weight exceeds the limit it will be hell to move. And I'm not counting the level variations on the roads.

As someone who has a wood stove I can tell you you break your back if you're actually trying to move wood with the wheel barrel hell I only do it from them my backyard into my house

 

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

Lmao. "Family" "Only wants a single vehicle" Maybe that's some cope they tell themselves because NO trades person at my place of work with a family has only 1 vehicle.

*Edit* Then again they also own homes. Maybe pod people only want 1 car.

I own one car with two kids and a wife. Saves money.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Bonus: driving while high is safe:

I know we've discussed it before, but this guy is delusional if he thinks that pedestrian deaths is higher because of "embracing poor driver controls". If you look at any given city from 2010 to now, the roads haven't expanded, but cities have gotten denser with probably less net road space due to bike lanes, fewer bike lanes total, and less pedestrian "improvements". And that's not even counting politically inconvenient facts like more importing people from countries who do not care about pedestrians at all.

StreetsBlog, which is run by an urbanist NGO, realized that only White neighborhoods count as walkable to their fellow urbanists:

All those "walk scores" are just bullshit anyway, usually calculating nearby restaurants and stores, and not if those stores are actually useful to people who live there. They don't seem to factor in crosswalks or sidewalks either, much less "environmental factors".

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I can certainly understand the appeal of compact pickups in regards to personal use, but the evidence was clear: they just weren't popular, often due to not properly filling any niche. Too light for the average tradesman to use as a dedicated work truck, not enough space for use as a family vehicle, too expensive to justify having for light work in comparison to a UTV. Of course, they work fine as a personal vehicle used for hobby work, but it just doesn't have the same versatility as a full-size pickup.

They're cool, and the 4wd versions (and the vast majority of them sold were not 4wd capable) can make great trail rigs but as an actual work vehicle? Nah. People who say that shit are desperately trying to not buy a van. The only real use for a minitruck as a work truck is if you're some form of scrapper or millwright. They work well in a controlled environment since they're bigger than a UTV but smaller than a full-sized truck, and the open bed is nicer for quick access than the back of a van. Plus if the truck is just working as a tool carrier around a large factory complex or scrapyard then it'll never be short on support. If you're one of those guys that goes around and picks up other people's bulk garbage for scrap or recycling then a mini-truck also works really really well but those are literally the only three niches I can think of for a minitruck:

1) Yard/factory support vehicle.
2) Tweaker side hustle
3) "I want a small offroad rig but don't want a Jeep"

 

[Yamamura]

I stumbled upon a smaller urbanist youtube channel that posted a video with a clickbaity title "How a $4K Bike Made Me $80K!!"

For anyone who doesn't want to watch the video the cliffsnotes are basically that this guy uses his bike to carry things and somehow he worked that out in his head to SAVE him $80k over not owning a car/truck. The video itself wasn't particularly interesting but rather the comment section was.

Here we have the OP comment pointing out the obvious: saved money != income, just going by the factual definition of the terms. Now that should be a fair assessment right?

Now I don't know if it just so happens people who are into these urbanism videos are mentally disabled or something, but some how they seem to have a difficult time grasping this concept that saved money is not a type of income. Perhaps its that they can't separate personal opinion from fact, but they keep doubling down. Part of me thinks the caveman part of their brains are kicking in where they view a comment that seems to be going against their world view so they blindly start fighting back.



It reminds me of that experiment someone on 4chan explained in a greentext where low IQ individuals have a hard time understanding hypotheticals.

"but I did have breakfast today"

 

[quaawaa]

Urbanists are terrible with money:

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It's incredibly misleading to count depreciation as an expense. He also would have had to pick a top trim truck bought with a high interest loan and driven a ton in places with high gas prices to get those numbers.

The replies are similarly dumb:

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If you can buy it for 1/3 of the price of what it was when it was new, then that means that it depreciated by 2/3rds. I also bet that a used truck is worth a greater percentage of its original price than a used cargo bike.

When asked why a cargo bike is so expensive relative to a car despite not using anywhere close to as much material and needing much less engineering work, he just says that it's cheaper than a new car so price is irrelevant: