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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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spread happiness@p4leandp1nk
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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[BrightonAndHoveAlbion]

Some more info about rapey Dan Norris in this LinkedIn post from the same journalist I linked earlier. I didn't know he was already facing legal action for his time at The League Against Cruel Sports for bullying and harassment. This, on top of the claims from his time at WECA, make him out to generally be a very nasty man in general.

 

[bluegenius8585]

Britain has a long history of bumming small boys at boarding school as some sort of rite of passage. These same boys go on to become our politicians and judges etc.

Tatchell is a beast, that so many pride orgs invite him to speak is a sure sign they're all nonces.

I honestly don't get how he gets away with it.

It would be like a US org inviting a member of NAMBLA

 

[FedPostalService]

I honestly don't get how he gets away with it.

It would be like a US org inviting a member of NAMBLA

If you can take enough of the establishment with you then they’re not going to investigate you very closely.

A guy bangs a 13 year old girl we all want strung up from the nearest lamppost.

Condemning a man sodominsing a 13 year old boy will have Guardian columnists accusing you of LGBT genocide.

 

[Overly Serious]

He does have the nonce face doesn’t he? I am once again asking for someone to create a machine learning facial recognition app …

I can do that. If you can get me a large number of face photographs of nonces and non-nonces tagged for which is which. One difficulty would be that the non-nonces would include nonces that simply haven't been found out yet, however. So you're not comparing two distinct groups you're comparing two groups where one has a higher quantity than the other.

Still, I could train the model for you. I wonder under which law the UK govt would arrest me for doing so?

 

[Otterly]

If you can get me a large number of face photographs of nonces and non-nonces tagged for which is which.

Sir, this is KiwiFarms … pick a thread .
lol, you’d definitely get gulagged for it. I reckon it’s possible though.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I wonder under which law the UK govt would arrest me for doing so?

Publishing private information about MPs?

 

[Overly Serious]

Sir, this is KiwiFarms … pick a thread .

lol, you’d definitely get gulagged for it. I reckon it’s possible though.

I don't know. You'd get a lot of false positives at minimum because even if there is an underlying biological cause, there's certainly a known correlation with abuse meaning a lot of potential ones without it having manifested. Unless your purpose is just general eugenics or pro-active investigation of possible suspects. Do we think that's higher or lower on the police priority list than arresting people who complain about their kid's school?

Publishing private information about MPs?

*snrk*

 

[Otterly]

Unless your purpose is just general eugenics or pro-active investigation of possible suspects.

I just want it to light up red when we get another one so we can laugh drolly…. Maybe it can make a ‘warp warp’ siren noise.
They have one that can pick out if you're gay with high reliability, and that’s not inborn either, so there’s something going on that’s likely about facial expression or how you hold the face.
I suppose it’s something I’ve thought about because I spent years looking at the correlation between genetics and faces. You can tell instantly that there’s ‘something’ when you meet patients or are shown photos or video. The FLK acronym exists for this reason.
The challenge is determining what the issue is, and that’s harder because the bit of your brain that needs to do that is the slower bit, and the bit that says ‘aye aye, summat up here’ is the instinctive bit. We now have apps that can take a picture and give you a likelihood of various genetic issues but as good as they are, and they are good, I’ve met old school people who are better.
But just reading through a thousand of these ‘youth pastor/ teacher/ alphabet activist caught doing the unspeakable’ threads, you then see a picture of them and you can just see it. Nonce face exists.
Also to just muse on this as a concept, we are these days being told, trained and trained hard to reject it when our brains work like this, and I find that very interesting too.

 

[Overdrive]

I don't know what it says about the field but this thread sure does seem to have a fair number of us who get paid to develop AI in it.

 

[anklyscr]

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?
I want to send illegals home - done
I want to burn EV mandates - so done
I want to end tranny shit - totes done
I want tariffs - it’s fucking done

Kev the tool maker is still wondering how the fuck he’s the leader of the twat party……. Labour Party.

 

[Coolio55]

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?
I want to send illegals home - done
I want to burn EV mandates - so done
I want to end tranny shit - totes done
I want tariffs - it’s fucking done

Kev the tool maker is still wondering how the fuck he’s the leader of the twat party……. Labour Party.

Because they don't actually want to do any of those things.
I'm surprised people still get confused on this matter.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?
I want to send illegals home - done
I want to burn EV mandates - so done
I want to end tranny shit - totes done
I want tariffs - it’s fucking done

Kev the tool maker is still wondering how the fuck he’s the leader of the twat party……. Labour Party.

Because Donny is an empowered executive, whilst our parliament is meant to fulfil the role of both legislature and executive for the most part since our executive (monarch) was curtailed in power 400 years ago.

 

[Coolio55]

Because Donny is an empowered executive, whilst our parliament is meant to fulfil the role of both legislature and executive for the most part since our executive (monarch) was curtailed in power 400 years ago.

I don't buy this. You can see the difference when they actually want something to happen (and are competent enough to be able to outline it. They can't - for instance - pass a law mandating manual inspection of all written notes transported via the internet vaccum tubes.)

 

[Otterly]

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?

Because the man in the red hat does seem to actually like his country, and our politicians really don’t.
Saying you’ll do something and then doing it is an incredibly dangerous precedent to set and you can bet they will do everything in their power to get him to stop doing it.

 

[>IMPLYING]

I don't buy this. You can see the difference when they actually want something to happen (and are competent enough to be able to outline it. They can't - for instance - pass a law mandating manual inspection of all written notes transported via the internet vaccum tubes.)

I'm more just answering why Donny can do stuff right now as opposed to why Kier can't:

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?

Since all authority is vested in a single body for the most part, everything takes longer than necessary to do stuff. The Internet Safety Act was proposed by the Conservatives and written up in October of 2022, passed in Oct of 2023, but in the House of Lords it became Labour's bill essentially when the people there voted to add more amendments and shit to it than what was originally proposed. There's a potential essay post on how schizophrenic our system is, which only functions competently when all the stars are aligned and everyone inside of it is has a common goal. But a big part of it is like you said: competency.

 

[FedPostalService]

Yank posting I know but, how does Donny just do things?
I want to send illegals home - done
I want to burn EV mandates - so done
I want to end tranny shit - totes done
I want tariffs - it’s fucking done

Kev the tool maker is still wondering how the fuck he’s the leader of the twat party……. Labour Party.

Because you have an elected king.

We have a king with bugger all powers, a House of Lords that will derail anything the House of Commons tries to do to fix things, a weird adherence to the rulings of international bodies we should have been ignoring, and all our parties are puppets of different factions of Davos.

When Trump goes and if Vance can’t hold the line, then the great project to turn all of America into a brown California will continue.

 

[Vesperus]

We have a king with bugger all powers,

Given that the king just invited goat fuckers into his house to celebrate the festival of noncery I'm kind of glad about that...
Trump is a wildcard from outside the system. I think the UK is stuck in the same hole the US was, unless/until a home-grown equivalent turns up. Maybe someone can convince Jim Ratcliffe to dabble in politics?

 

[>IMPLYING]

Given that the king just invited goat fuckers into his house to celebrate the festival of noncery I'm kind of glad about that...
Trump is a wildcard from outside the system. I think the UK is stuck in the same hole the US was, unless/until a home-grown equivalent turns up. Maybe someone can convince Jim Ratcliffe to dabble in politics?

I mentioned it in the Lowe thread and how people are now putting the eggs into the Jenrick basket with the Conservatives, but in our system it's not enough that just one person is saying the right things, even if they're the prime minister and party leader (the fate of Truss and May are proof of that). Trump's views are in contradiction to a lot of senior party figures in the Republican party for example, but the way they select leaders is put to the people rather than just those within the party and paying for membership. Were such a thing were to occur here, the senior figures would make sure such a person wouldn't rise up to a role of prominence to begin with, or be viable as a candidate to choose for. We just saw a microcosm of that with Lowe, with how leadership can just fuck you over if they don't like you.

The alternative of making a new party to contest the dominant ones is also an option, but again, the system makes it difficult for such a party to assert their positions regardless of popular support, as votes don't necessarily translate to seats. It is possible though, so it's not a hopeless endeavour.

The other, other alternative is waiting until people in senior positions start adopting vaguely populist ideas (like Jenrick) and hope they spread outwards and trickle down, or keep your mouth shut and tow the party line until you become somebody important enough that they can't simply be sacked for saying such things.

What's annoying about watching America is seeing how much quicker they can do things in comparison. All of the above I mentioned (rising up in pre-established party, starting a new one and running, relying on pre-established figures to adopt attractive positions which spread to others) can take ages. Trump announced his first campaign in June 2015, became Republican presidential candidate in June of 2016, and was elected president by November. (Then again having billions helps bigly.)

Edit: If you want to see how inherently fucked the system is and how it stops outsiders, the process (at least for the Conservatives) is:
1. 1 MP gets the support of 10MPs to have their name put in the running.
2. 4 potential candidates are voted on by all the MPs until only two remain.
3. At the last stage, the 2 pre-selected MPs are actually voted on by the party members. (Badenoch won the majority of MP and member votes, but with Truss and Sunak, the latter won more MP votes and the former more member votes. When she resigned, they didn't even bother to hold another contest.)

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

'Adolescence' writers are going to remake the nuclear-war drama 'Threads' that was set in South Yorkshire in 1984

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm24nedy37ro

Will Starmer make new nuclear policies off of the back of this? I wonder if it will show the rape gangs getting nuked (located in Rotherham, South Yorkshire) and if it will be celebrated and in turn, the fans berated?

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

'Adolescence' writers are going to remake the nuclear-war drama 'Threads' that was set in South Yorkshire in 1984

It would be less of an atrocity if South Yorkshire was actually bombed.