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Of course. But claiming that another country other than the United States is the "most expansionist" is just dumb.

That guy just needs to call himself a neoconservative that loves war.

It's also funny he mentions how envious he is of China so instead of actually building something here, he wants to violently lash out at a country on the other side of the world.

Americans are so shortsighted they can't even see that their thinking got them into this mess. 20 years in Afghanistan and Trump is negotiating with the Taliban to reclaim a big US base there.
Your EVs suck and are Tesla knockoffs.
 
China's shipbuilding capacity is reported to be 232 times greater than that of the U.S.
Korea is who killed US shipbuilding. China is a little late to that party. If not for the Jones Act requiring naval vessels be American-made no ships would've been built in the US for 25 years.

Its maddening that the pro-war people just ignore reality.
They're operating on a 1950's version of American Exceptionalism without realizing their parents sold that too long ago.
 
Both wars had extreme public support at the time because the public wanted revenge.
I know what you mean about the bloodlust, but it was by no means unanimous. Maybe, maybe for Afghanistan in the immediate months after 9/11; otherwise there were tons of antiwar protests all throughout the 2000s. There was debate about Iraq before we ever went into it, and the government had to manufacture WMD lies in order to really sell it.
 
Korea is who killed US shipbuilding. China is a little late to that party. If not for the Jones Act requiring naval vessels be American-made no ships would've been built in the US for 25 years.


They're operating on a 1950's version of American Exceptionalism without realizing their parents sold that too long ago.
American Exceptionalism or Chinamen Inferiority, take your pick, Chang!

They could have 500x the shipbuilding capability but guess what they will still be manned by bugmen. Atleast if they contracted out to Indians they'd do some damage by accidently driving into major infrastructure.
 
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Ukraine-Russian sperging is like saying a gamer word but for this forum sometimes it just slips past your filter and you drop a hard r or in this case an opinion about how slav shits are incest babies and probably all related as close as 1st cousins.
 
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I know what you mean about the bloodlust, but it was by no means unanimous. Maybe, maybe for Afghanistan in the immediate months after 9/11; otherwise there were tons of antiwar protests all throughout the 2000s. There was debate about Iraq before we ever went into it, and the government had to manufacture WMD lies in order to really sell it.
There was no widespread public support for Iraq II, we had to be lied into that one. That's where they coined the phrase Coalition of the Willing, because so much of the international community on-board with the war on terror weren't having W's daddy revenge fantasy in Iraq.
 
Wouldn't it make sense to keep birthright citizenship, but have the child's citizenship have no bearing on the parents getting one? and if the parents are not citizens and don't have a green card then CPS takes the child and puts it in an orphanage?
Oh god no! There would be endless wrangling in Congress to make the parents either permanently legal or citizens so their spiclets don’t get abandoned. And then you end up once again with the major incentive for sh*tskins to cross the border.
 
100% tariffs still won't be enough to compensate for the self-imposed labor and environmental regulatory burden in the US. There's no hope of re-shoring any manufacturing back in the US without reforming environment/labor law and good luck with that noise. It's going to take a lot more than an EO to abolish the EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage.
Wages are not a good excuse for why manufacturing isnt brought back. It is a reason for moving manufacturing but it is not the reason. A 100% tariff would cost a company nearly 5 times as much to ship cars than to just pay American employees 20 bucks an hour. Tariffs are way more of a reason for why manufacturing is moved than wages are.
 
This isn’t good. While we don’t know exactly how many illegal aliens pay taxes for certain, the ones who were looking to legalize their status are motivated to obtain tax ID numbers and pay because the government considers evidence of tax filings when weighing their cases. This is not a rare situation; it is more or less expected of illegals who submit applications to resolve their status that they have a few years of tax returns. Going forward, illegal aliens will be disincentivized to file taxes. Depending how this information is used, it effectively punishes the illegal aliens who did the right thing and rewards those who didn’t.

This exchange of information alone will not motivate illegal aliens to leave, so people who would otherwise be paying taxes while using government services will continue to use them but will stop paying into them.
I think you fail to understand that when illegal immigrants are paying taxes, they're often committing tax fraud, using someone else's numbers to file in their name. If the person who's numbers were used illegally is still alive, that person has to deal with the IRS and their local tax authorities over the fraudulent filings, which can become a Kafkaesque nightmare in the blink of an eye.

There is no doubt in my mind that the IRS is sitting on a treasure trove of hard evidence that can be used to positively identify, round up, and deport a number of illegal immigrants.
 
Wages are not a good excuse for why manufacturing isnt brought back. It is a reason for moving manufacturing but it is not the reason. A 100% tariff would cost a company nearly 5 times as much to ship cars than to just pay American employees 20 bucks an hour. Tariffs are way more of a reason for why manufacturing is moved than wages are.
Also, if there's ever going to be lobbying pressure to roll back the EPA, OSHA, etc, then let it come from companies who are actually incentivized to build here now. It was never gonna happen when they could just go overseas and arbitrage around all our regulations. If anything they preferred us being burdened with regulations as it prevented competition for them.
 
I'm fairly confident this is exactly the climate Trump is trying to force.
I find that interesting considering Rubio was talking about a "multi-polar" global order where the US isn't the top dog anymore and has to work in concert with Russia and China. It seemed like there was room for China to sit at the table and be part of things if they were willing to be there.
Interesting choice, Chyna, ret the brood retting blegin:

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He forgot the fourth option: release another plague "accidentally".
 
100% tariffs still won't be enough to compensate for the self-imposed labor and environmental regulatory burden in the US. There's no hope of re-shoring any manufacturing back in the US without reforming environment/labor law and good luck with that noise. It's going to take a lot more than an EO to abolish the EPA, OSHA and the minimum wage.
The thing is I distinctly remember ... Obama was it? Having the EPA just elect not to enforce certain things cause it would have made King Nigger's admin look bad. So we already selectively enforce EPA standards, mostly to help white liberals enforce NIMBY and punish red states. EPA / OSHA reforming should be on the books...
 
This isn’t good. While we don’t know exactly how many illegal aliens pay taxes for certain, the ones who were looking to legalize their status are motivated to obtain tax ID numbers and pay because the government considers evidence of tax filings when weighing their cases. This is not a rare situation; it is more or less expected of illegals who submit applications to resolve their status that they have a few years of tax returns. Going forward, illegal aliens will be disincentivized to file taxes. Depending how this information is used, it effectively punishes the illegal aliens who did the right thing and rewards those who didn’t.

This exchange of information alone will not motivate illegal aliens to leave, so people who would otherwise be paying taxes while using government services will continue to use them but will stop paying into them.
If businesses hire these fucks legally, they'd have to report it to IRS and they do.

Now, they can't hire them without putting them on spotline.

AMERICANS, ONCE AGAIN, WINS.
 
Tbh.. Americans could probably use the lesson in piece rate focus and productivity. I say bring on the sweat shops.

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So we don't want to work real jobs because it looks yucky, but we also use AI for laptop work like creating this video, so we won't be hiring for that either. So basically we just don't work anymore. We're all done working. Apparently we already achieved luxury communism, I hadn't realized, someone must have been sending my free shit to the wrong address.
 
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